Are ALL Whites Racists?

[f0rTyLeGz]

When I read some of these threads I get the impression that ALL white people are racists. Are they? And if they aren't overt racists, they have all benefited from racism... so that makes them part of the problem, or infected?

Can an individual white person not be part of the problem?

What big changes are needed for you to say that things are good race wise?

[kia027]

Re: Are ALL Whites Racists?

hush in a few years when the chineyman have all the power the conversation will be are all chinese racist so unno white people will get a break

[Tropicana]

Re: Are ALL Whites Racists?

The short answer is "no".

The medium answer is "If you're not, a part of the solution you're part of the problem".

The long answer....well here is a helpful way of thinking about it:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I realized that, since hierarchies in our society are interlocking, there was most likely a phenomenon of while privilege that was similarly denied and protected. As a white person, I realized I had been taught about racism as something that puts others at a disadvantage, but had been taught not to see one of its corollary aspects, white privilege, which puts me at an advantage.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"> I think whites are carefully taught not to recognize white privilege, as males are taught not to recognize male privilege. So I have begun in an untutored way to ask what it is like to have white privilege. I have come to see white privilege as an invisible package of unearned assets that I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was &quot;meant&quot; to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, codebooks, visas, clothes, tools , and blank checks.</span>Describing white privilege makes one newly accountable. As we in women's studies work to reveal male privilege and ask men to give up some of their power, so one who writes about having white privilege must ask, &quot;having described it, what will I do to lessen or end it?&quot; </div></div>
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After I realized the extent to which men work from a base of unacknowledged privilege, I understood that much of their oppressiveness was unconscious. Then I remembered the frequent charges from women of color that white women whom they encounter are oppressive. I began to understand why we are just seen as oppressive, even when we don't see ourselves that way. I began to count the ways in which I enjoy unearned skin privilege and have been conditioned into oblivion about its existence.</div></div>
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My schooling gave me no training in seeing myself as an oppressor, as an unfairly advantaged person, or as a participant in a damaged culture. I was taught to see myself as an individual whose moral state depended on her individual moral will. My schooling followed the pattern my colleague Elizabeth Minnich has pointed out: whites are taught to think of their lives as morally neutral, normative, and average, and also ideal, so that when we work to benefit others, this is seen as work that will allow &quot;them&quot; to be more like &quot;us.&quot;
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Daily effects of white privilege</span>

I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.

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It continues here and is WELL worth the read:

http://www.rantcollective.net/article.php?id=74

[Tropicana]

Re: Are ALL Whites Racists?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hush in a few years when the chineyman have all the power the conversation will be are all chinese racist so <span style="font-weight: bold">unno white people </span>will get a break </div></div>

My cute and cuddly centipede is White....mi nevah know. Jamaican?

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hush in a few years when the chineyman have all the power the conversation will be are all chinese racist so <span style="font-weight: bold">unno white people </span>will get a break </div></div>

My cute and cuddly centipede is White....mi nevah know. Jamaican? </div></div>

I have no clue to his racial background.. I was responding to the collective white people with the word unno

[f0rTyLeGz]

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Soo if someone is white, then they had white privilege, and they have benefited from racism? Then what?

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I read some of these threads I get the impression that ALL white people are racists. Are they? And if they aren't overt racists, they have all benefited from racism... so that makes them part of the problem, or infected?

Can an individual white person not be part of the problem?

What big changes are needed for you to say that things are good race wise?

</div></div>

I suggest repatriations.. All claiming to be white.. Guh a Europe.. All claiming to be black Africa.. All Taino and other pre columbian.. ciboney ect.. stay ah Jamaica....

[f0rTyLeGz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I suggest repatriations.. All claiming to be white.. Guh a Europe.. All claiming to be black Africa.. All Taino and other pre columbian.. ciboney ect.. stay ah Jamaica.... </div></div>
Hmmm... well that not gonna happen. Any other ideas? It seems like nothing has traction around here except race relations... I'd like a vision of how things would look if race relations were right. I'd like some ideas about what must change to make that happen.

The fact that there were house slaves and field slaves is a nightmare. That some people would use those terms for the way that some people behave today is outrageous to me. Id like to know HOW they should have behaved?

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I suggest repatriations.. All claiming to be white.. Guh a Europe.. All claiming to be black Africa.. All Taino and other pre columbian.. ciboney ect.. stay ah Jamaica.... </div></div>
Hmmm... well that not gonna happen. Any other ideas? It seems like nothing has traction around here except race relations... I'd like a vision of how things would look if race relations were right. I'd like some ideas about what must change to make that happen.

The fact that there were house slaves and field slaves is a nightmare. That some people would use those terms for the way that some people behave today is outrageous to me. Id like to know HOW they should have behaved? </div></div>

why not ????

We are doomed as a race.. the human race that is...lets just commit hari kari and let the next step in evolution happen,,,

[f0rTyLeGz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I suggest repatriations.. All claiming to be white.. Guh a Europe.. All claiming to be black Africa.. All Taino and other pre columbian.. ciboney ect.. stay ah Jamaica.... </div></div>
Hmmm... well that not gonna happen. Any other ideas? It seems like nothing has traction around here except race relations... I'd like a vision of how things would look if race relations were right. I'd like some ideas about what must change to make that happen.

The fact that there were house slaves and field slaves is a nightmare. That some people would use those terms for the way that some people behave today is outrageous to me. Id like to know HOW they should have behaved? </div></div>

why not ????

We are doomed as a race.. </div></div>
Nah... I don't believe that gloomy Bible story.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The human race (is doomed) that is...lets just commit hari kari and let the next step in evolution happen,,, </div></div>
I think you have to believe in Second Life to be willing to cast off this precious one... or the lives of those laughing children?

[Wahalla]

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embrase the horror..

[f0rTyLeGz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">embrase the horror.. </div></div>
Ok... if you say so.

[queenb]

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I say embrace the intellect. When one learns to use their brains to analyze what they see; and not what has been told to them, they see the truth and can learn from it.

[diabolical_Tanya]

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What about the whites who did not benefit from &quot;white privilage&quot; I am talking about the whites who came to the harsh praries and lived in sod houses and tilled the land with just their bare hands....??

I know for a there were no slaves here......

[Bink - the Only]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about the whites who did not benefit from &quot;white privilage&quot; I am talking about the whites who came to the harsh praries and lived in sod houses and tilled the land with just their bare hands....??

I know for a there were no slaves here...... </div></div>

hey, tanyers, nice thoughts. my ancestors did not arrive in this country until the early 20th century. my maternal grandmother came here at the age of 19 all by herself. she had no job and was sent ahead, so to speak. she took a train from nyc to south dakota as that was a place scandavians landed. she found work as a maid in a rich man's house and taught herself english from reading newspapers. her boss at the time (massa, dare i say?) tried to explain to her that President McKinley had been assasinated. unfortunately, he chose to do that by pointing a rifle at her.

there are so many stories ... so many different experiences.

i, as the grandaughter of immigrants who were not here during slavery and from countries who had nothing to do with slavery still feels the thought that i, do indeed, benefit by what happened during the years of slavery. my issue is some people have NO capability of looking back at history to see how many peoples no matter their skin color have been enslaved in one way or another.

i am so weary hearing the rantings of a woman who apparently still lives as a girl who was NOT invited to her prom. guess what? neither was i.

i will be happy to hear some directions on how i can combate &quot;racism&quot;. at this point, in my little world, i confront ignorance at every turn. certainly not limited to blacks -- discrimination against hispanics, asians and, yes homosexuals.

for people who hate being categorized (some folks who post regularly about racism) .. well, guess what? i don't want to be categorized either.

i know i am wasting my &quot;fingers&quot; here. but, i felt good to vent.