The Real Color of Welfare......Middle Class Whites and Big Business

[franksterr]

Benefits now flow primarily to the middle class.
The center’s study found that the poorest American households, the bottom fifth, received just 32 cents of every dollar of government benefits distributed in 2010 The finding is broadly consistent with the data we reported Sunday that the poorest households received 36 percent of benefits in 2007, down from 54 percent in 1979, numbers that came from a study published last year by the Congressional Budget Office.

Another finding of the study is that the distribution of benefits no longer aligns with the demography of poverty. African-Americans, who make up 22 percent of the poor, receive 14 percent of government benefits, close to their 12 percent population share.
White non-Hispanics, who make up 42 percent of the poor, receive 69 percent of government benefits – again, much closer to their 64 percent population share.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/who-benefits-from-the-safety-net/

For most Americans the term welfare is associated with any number of negative images: laziness, illegitimacy, family breakup, irresponsibility, and wasted tax dollars. We hear "welfare" and our minds conjure up a young unwed mother of two or three infants, huddled in front of a TV set in a public housing tenement and living at taxpayer expense on monthly Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) checks and food stamps. We react negatively because too often these checks subsidize bad behavior and encourage dependency rather than self-responsibility.
The American Heritage dictionary defines welfare as "receiving regular assistance from the government or a private agency because of need." What is surprising about our modern-day welfare state is just who it is that Congress really believes to be "in need."
Some of the most subsidized recipients of public assistance are not welfare queens housed in public tenement apartments. They are not even poor or ailing at all. Far from it.
America's most costly welfare recipients today are Fortune 500 companies. In 1997 the Fortune 500 corporations recorded best-ever earnings of $325 billion, yet incredibly Uncle Sam doled out nearly $100 billion in taxpayer subsidies.These welfare payments come in every conceivable shape and size: government grants, sweetheart business deals arranged by the Commerce Department, cut-rate insurance, low-interest loans, a protective wall against foreign competition, exclusive government contracts, and a mind-boggling maze of special interest loopholes in the tax code. Table 1 lists the 1997 appropriations for fifty-five of the most unjustified federal business subsidy spending programs as compiled by the Cato Institute. Their combined price tag came to $38 billion in 1997
http://www.hoover.org/research/welfa...eece-taxpayers

[lonewolf]

That is a misleading title and it is misleading information. What this is saying (if you dare to read between the lines)is that under Obama and Dems watch, more middle class have dropped down in role from middle class to poor...if one is elegible for government handouts, they are not middle class anymore. They are poor.

You can't be both. That is deceiving and dishonest...and the truth will set you free.

America's most costly welfare recipients today are Fortune 500 companies. In 1997 the Fortune 500 corporations recorded best-ever earnings of $325 billion, yet incredibly Uncle Sam doled out nearly $100 billion in taxpayer subsidies.These welfare payments come in every conceivable shape and size: government grants, sweetheart business deals arranged by the Commerce Department, cut-rate insurance, low-interest loans, a protective wall against foreign competition, exclusive government contracts, and a mind-boggling maze of special interest loopholes in the tax code. Table 1 lists the 1997 appropriations for fifty-five of the most unjustified federal business subsidy spending programs as compiled by the Cato Institute. Their combined price tag came to $38 billion in 1997

Yep, that is screwed up. I'd be for corporate welfare if corporations left China and tooled back up in the USA and provided jobs for US citizens..

[franksterr]

That is a misleading title and it is misleading information. What this is saying (if you dare to read between the lines)is that under Obama and Dems watch, more middle class have dropped down in role from middle class to poor...if one is elegible for government handouts, they are not middle class anymore. They are poor.

You can't be both. That is deceiving and dishonest...and the truth will set you free.





Yep, that is screwed up. I'd be for corporate welfare if corporations left China and tooled back up in the USA and provided jobs for US citizens..

The article did not strike me as a projection but more as a data study...

"Furthermore, the study notes that politicians have shifted benefits away from the “jobless poor,” through reductions in traditional welfare, and increased benefits for working families, for example through tax credits. The government also has steadily expanded eligibility for benefit programs.“The safety net became much more work-based,” wrote Arloc Sherman and his collaborators at the center, a left-leaning research group. “In addition, the U.S. population is aging, which raises the share of benefits going to seniors and people with disabilities.”

And we know who has the jobs.

[lonewolf]

The article did not strike me as a projection but more as a data study...

And we know who has the jobs.[/FONT][/COLOR]

A truthful data study uses fact based statistics and comes to an uncorrupted, unbiased conclusion. This one deviates and spins for agenda driven purposes.

Yeah, middle class people THAT WORK HAVE THE JOBS and pay their own way with hard work and sweat. They also pay for those that receive welfare, independance cards and free housing.

"Furthermore, the study notes that politicians have shifted benefits away from the “jobless poor,” through reductions in traditional welfare, and increased benefits for working families, for example through tax credits.

What are the statistics on the "jobless poor"? How many of the "jobless poor" actually had jobs to begin with?

The article suggests that middle class folks are receiving welfare, because they are allowed to keep more of their HARD EARNED money that THEY WORKED FOR through tax credits, instead of that money being taxed and extorted by government...and eventually paying for those that don't work.

TAX CREDIT=KEEPING MORE OF YOUR OWN MONEY THAT YOU (the employed) WORKED FOR.

Please, tell me you see the faulty logic in suggesting a person that gets a tax credit is receiving some type of welfare.

The government also has steadily expanded eligibility for benefit programs.“The safety net became much more work-based,” wrote Arloc Sherman and his collaborators at the center, a left-leaning research group“In addition, the U.S. population is aging, which raises the share of benefits going to seniors and people with disabilities.”

Left leaning research group=AGENDA LEANING RESEARCH GROUP


The safety net has always been work based. Person loses job, safety net kicks in until person finds another job.
Safety net was designed to be temporary and always revolved around job.

It was not designed to take care of a person for their whole life...and generations of their offspring.

[franksterr]

A truthful data study uses fact based statistics and comes to an uncorrupted, unbiased conclusion. This one deviates and spins for agenda driven purposes.

Yeah, middle class people THAT WORK HAVE THE JOBS and pay their own way with hard work and sweat. They also pay for those that receive welfare, independance cards and free housing.

That's the point they are making the middle class who are already given access to employment are know being given even more - Tax Credits
So the Jobless poor who has little or no job is being tax whenever they make a purchase with no Tax Credit to receive.

What are the statistics on the "jobless poor"? How many of the "jobless poor" actually had jobs to begin with?

The article suggests that middle class folks are receiving welfare, because they are allowed to keep more of their HARD EARNED money that THEY WORKED FOR through tax credits, instead of that money being taxed and extorted by government...and eventually paying for those that don't work.

TAX CREDIT=KEEPING MORE OF YOUR OWN MONEY THAT YOU (the employed) WORKED FOR.

Please, tell me you see the faulty logic in suggesting a person that gets a tax credit is receiving some type of welfare.

Welfare is define as the following......It was a McCain advertisement that led me to the realization that Tax Credits were welfare

3. financial or other assistance to an individual or family from a city,state,or national government

So yes it is Welfare, the government is giving you back money they would normally take from you.....And if you take it and spend it becomes assistance.

Left leaning research group=AGENDA LEANING RESEARCH GROUP


The safety net has always been work based. Person loses job, safety net kicks in until person finds another job.
Safety net was designed to be temporary and always revolved around job.

So what do we do with the poor - put them in concentration camps and humanely euthanize them?
It is the reason they are called Social Safety Nets (Social Welfare Services) and not Unemployment Safety Nets.
The Reason for these services is to alleviate and if possible eliminate Poverty where ever and for ever long it persists.

It was not designed to take care of a person for their whole life...and generations of their offspring.

WoW where is this coming from....the two articles I cited never address any of these issues in any way.

Maybe it should.....people shouldn't have to toil and labor to eat.

[lonewolf]

That's the point they are making the middle class who are already given access to employment are know being given even more - Tax Credits

The middle class are not given access to jobs, they make themselves readily accessible for jobs by applying themselves to the workforce. You act as if the employer comes to the middle class worker and gives them jobs, The middle class hunt for and find jobs.

Jobs are not like welfare. People that work actually have to hunt for jobs and than labor for their paycheck.

Welfare recipients labor for nothing. They receive handouts.

So the Jobless poor who has little or no job is being tax whenever they make a purchase with no Tax Credit to receive.

A person can only receive a tax credit if they actually pay taxes through a paycheck. To recieve a paycheck one must work. Hence the word pay check? A person gets paid when they provide a service. Welfare recipients provide no service. They only take from society. They don't give back back to society.

You cant get back what you have not given. Why are you having a problem comprehending such simple logic?

Welfare is define as the following......It was a McCain advertisement that led me to the realization that Tax Credits were welfare

3. financial or other assistance to an individual or family from a city,state,or national government

So yes it is Welfare, the government is giving you back money they would normally take from you.....And if you take it and spend it becomes assistance.

OH MY GOD! Please, take a moment and step back and examine the rediculous, nonsensical statement that you posted.

The government takes your money with the left hand, the government switches money from left hand to their right hand, and gives back the very same money it took from you... and YOU consider that government assistance?....I find that point of reasoning utterly rediculous.

So what do we do with the poor - put them in concentration camps and humanely euthanize them?

Of course not...but we don't encourage them to be dependant on the government by dressing up more welfare and calling it a tax credit and giving them more of something they did not earn...my god, man be reasonable.

Giving people welfare that leads to generations of poor that don't work, is inhumanely sustaining and creating generations of poor people and making them dependant on the money of government or the MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS, extorted tax money.

It is the reason they are called Social Safety Nets (Social Welfare Services) and not Unemployment Safety Nets.
The Reason for these services is to alleviate and if possible eliminate Poverty where ever and for ever long it persists.

But it does not alleviate poverty, it sustains it. Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results, is the definition of insanity.

Maybe it should.....people shouldn't have to toil and labor to eat.

REALLY?!?! Have you not studied the existence of man on this earth? Life is a constant struggle.

How do you think people survived before government? If you wanted to eat you had to hunt down your food and kill it or grow it etc.

SURVIVAL ALWAYS INCLUDED TOIL AND LABOR....Why do you think it should not apply in this era?

GET REAL, MAN!

[franksterr]

The middle class are not given access to jobs, they make themselves readily accessible for jobs by applying themselves to the workforce. You act as if the employer comes to the middle class worker and gives them jobs, The middle class hunt for and find jobs.

Jobs are not like welfare. People that work actually have to hunt for jobs and than labor for their paycheck.

Welfare recipients labor for nothing. They receive handouts.

The fact is they have Jobs and usually jobs that pay more than a "living wage" that's something many people for whatever reason do not have.....especially people who make up whats call "the Poor"

A person can only receive a tax credit if they actually pay taxes through a paycheck. To recieve a paycheck one must work. Hence the word pay check? A person gets paid when they provide a service. Welfare recipients provide no service. They only take from society. They don't give back back to society.

You cant get back what you have not given. Why are you having a problem comprehending such simple logic?

That's Just not true.
Isn't paying taxes contributing?
Some people on welfare have worked in the pass and will work in the future, and as the articles I provided some are working currently

OH MY GOD! Please, take a moment and step back and examine the rediculous, nonsensical statement that you posted.

The government takes your money with the left hand, the government switches money from left hand to their right hand, and gives back the very same money it took from you... and YOU consider that government assistance?....I find that point of reasoning utterly rediculous.

If the Government takes your money, it is no longer your money, it now belongs to the government.....Capiche?
If the Government gives you money, then that's Welfare.....Comprehende?

I am not the only one who see Tax Credit as Welfare so if any one is being ridiculous it's you
About 20 seconds in please note the second line......its being listed as a form of welfare.

I think you are being confused by semantics, whether it's called Government grants, benefits, subsidy, incentives, entitlement, credit, or deductions. If you are receiving from the government its WELFARE. As a Mortgage holder a love my deduction but I am in no delusion about it, I almost cried when the took off my car loans and credit card debts interest deductions.

"It's very neat, very simple and very expensive. The mortgage interest deduction will cost the federal government some $32.2 billion this year, plus another $10.4 billion for home-owner property tax deductions. Although no checks are written, this money constitutes a huge subsidy--pure and simple--to homebuyers. When the government forgives part of your tax liability, it has exactly the same effect as sending you a welfare check."
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1989/11/8/middle-class-on-the-dole-pbabre/?page=1

Of course not...but we don't encourage them to be dependant on the government by dressing up more welfare and calling it a tax credit and giving them more of something they did not earn...my god, man be reasonable.

It is mostly the Middle Class that receive earned income tax credit, you seem to be confusing the issue here.
I am saying that the middle class as a class is now receiving more welfare than the poorest class(underclass).
I am not advocating that the underclass should receive Income Tax Credit.

It some cases they may not have earned it but make no mistake they paid their share of taxes

Giving people welfare that leads to generations of poor that don't work, is inhumanely sustaining and creating generations of poor people and making them dependant on the money of government or the MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS, extorted tax money.

Make getting a Job a Human Right, and institute Workfare.

But it does not alleviate poverty, it sustains it. Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results, is the definition of insanity.

Oh believe me it does alleviate poverty, there have been success and failures in Welfare Reform but all in all it is still a good idea to provide the destitute with a Social Safety Net

REALLY?!?! Have you not studied the existence of man on this earth? Life is a constant struggle.

It was so....... it no longer has to be so.

How do you think people survived before government? If you wanted to eat you had to hunt down your food and kill it or grow it etc.

Yes....... but guess what we now have a government

SURVIVAL ALWAYS INCLUDED TOIL AND LABOR....Why do you think it should not apply in this era?

GET REAL, MAN!

For the same reason we do not have child labor, we have passed that era, people need Vocations not necessarily Jobs.

[lonewolf]

I think you are being confused by semantics, whether it's called Government grants, benefits, subsidy, incentives, entitlement, credit, or deductions

No, Frankster, it's not me that is confused.

Government money is MY MONEY. There isn't any government money without MIDDLE CLASS TAX MONEY.

So, keeping more of MY OWN money that I LABORED for is not welfare.

Giving my MY MONEY away to someone that sits on their arse IS WELFARE...Capiche?

Very simple concept...

I am not the only one who see Tax Credit as Welfare so if any one is being ridiculous it's you

I don't need a weatherman to explain to me that it is raining. I can simply look out my window. I also don't need some liberal, democratic hack politician or columnist with an agenda, peeing down my back and telling me it's raining...I can see with my own eyes what is happening...Yeah, semantics...dress it up and call it what you want. It is what it is.

You and I are at the opposite ends of the spectrum on this topic. So, that said, we will just agree to disagree.

Respect, and be safe.

[franksterr]

No, Frankster, it's not me that is confused.

Government money is MY MONEY. There isn't any government money without MIDDLE CLASS TAX MONEY.

So, keeping more of MY OWN money that I LABORED for is not welfare.

Giving my MY MONEY away to someone that sits on their arse IS WELFARE...Capiche?

Very simple concept...

Thats your personal conception of what welfare is......and you are welcome to keeping it.

I don't need a weatherman to explain to me that it is raining. I can simply look out my window. I also don't need some liberal, democratic hack politician or columnist with an agenda, peeing down my back and telling me it's raining...I can see with my own eyes what is happening...Yeah, semantics...dress it up and call it what you want. It is what it is.

Of the 3 links (works cited) I provided, 2 are Conservative Republican Works of publications and production.
Here is the man who wrote the book on American Republican economics

You and I are at the opposite ends of the spectrum on this topic. So, that said, we will just agree to disagree.

Respect, and be safe.

I do not think we are on different end of the spectrum, only that you refuse to really see the truth of the matter, being so caught up in political polemics. So it appears we are on opposites side.

Respects and Jah Guide.