strange

[jah_yout]

i've seen a few people on youtube compare obama to the ancient 18th dynasty egyptian pharaoh akhenaten...
i have no idea where this came from

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[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: strange

whats dat? (I can't get youtube at work)

[LusciousJohnson]

Re: strange

now that is a mess

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: strange

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fancy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now that is a mess </div></div>talk di tings noh man yu noh si mi seh mi can't watch it yahsoh

[LusciousJohnson]

Re: strange

oh my bad...its a comparison of the Obama family to this ancient 18th dynasty egyptian pharaoh akhenaten (as jah yout phrased it) and they showed how the Egyptian statues are supposed to be Barack, one Michelle, and one the girls. Barack is Renegade, Michelle is Renaissance, Malia is Radiance and Sasha is Rosebud. It uses graphics to make half of their face look like it fits on the statue as if these statues represent them. Then it goes back to Barack and shows the definition of Renegade saying he is 1. someone who rebels and becomes an outlaw and 2. a disloyal person who betrays or deserts his cause or religion or political party or friend etc.

a mess i tell u

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: strange

Thanks Fancy



There is much, much more to all of this but I want to get on to the Obama/Akhenaton connection.

Akhenaton was a famous Egyptian Pharaoh. He was originally named Amenhotep IV, He was the son of Amenhotep III. He was married to Nefertiti. His mother was Queen Tiye. He is famous for introducing monotheism, the worship of Aten, to Egypt. Aten is associated with the Sun, specifically the disc of the Sun. To worship Aten however you had to worship Akhenaton. It’s good to be the king.

“Early in his reign he shunned the gods of old and began to worship a new god, Aton, whom he believed to be the only true god and sole creator of the universe. He renamed himself Akhenaton (”He Who Serves the Aton”) and moved his capital from Thebes to Akhetaton (”The Place of the Aton’s Effective Power”). There he created his own civil service, and became a much more accessible pharaoh than his ancestors. He also built smaller, more open temples and public buildings. “ www.cartage.org

So why do I think there is a connection?

Last year I spent some time at Michael Tsarion’s web site (no relation to Michael the Causal entity) reading his article on the Hyksos tribe who migrated into Egypt around 1600 BC or so. The Hyksos integrated into Egyptian society and ruled prior to the reign of Ahkentaton. Tsarion believes that Queen Tiye (1415 bc- 1340 bc) and here son Amenhotep (1392 -1362 bc) were both descendants of the Hyksos. For what it is worth, Tiye married at the age of 12 or 13. Considered intelligent and diligent, she was involved in the court politics and administration.

In his article, Tsarion included an image of Queen Tiye that was surprisingly naturalistic for Egyptian art. Egyptian art is highly stylized toward the ideal but this statue showed what Queen Tiye must have really looked like. It shows a personality, maybe a little too much personality. For some reason Tsarion took the article down but the image of Tiye I have included below is close to what I remember seeing at the web site. What is interesting about Tiye, and perhaps why some of her portraits are not as stylized, is that her parents were “commoners” not of any royal family. How did she come to power as the Queen of Amenhotep III? I would like to know the whole story.

I hadn’t revisited the site or the image, but it did stick to my mind. There was a fierceness in her scowl and in her eyes that I could not forget. She looked like one very determined woman. I found the image quite striking. Except for Ahkenaton, I have never been emotionally impressed with Egyptian Art. It is beautiful and grand, but for me there is no connection to the artist. It’s about grandeur and gods and not about the person. But this little portrait of Tiye almost scared me. It was real and I was looking at an image of Queen Tiye as an emotional human. This was an image that represented her reality and not the ideal of the queen.

About two weeks ago I was looking at an image of Michelle Obama and something about her seemed familiar. It was in her eyes and and shape of her mouth. I remembered the image of Tiye. Could there be a connection? Perhaps, Michelle also grew up in a working class family but earned a degree from the elite Princeton University, like Tiye, she was both racially and economically an outsider.

[jah_yout]

Re: strange

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">



There is much, much more to all of this but I want to get on to the Obama/Akhenaton connection.


So why do I think there is a connection?

<span style="font-weight: bold">Tsarion believes that Queen Tiye (1415 bc- 1340 bc) and here son Amenhotep (1392 -1362 bc) were both descendants of the Hyksos. </span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">like Tiye, she was both racially and economically an outsider.</span>
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wonder where he got that from?!
queen tiye was of nubian ancestry and i've never seen anything about her being considered a 'racial outsider'...
the mummies they have paraded around the world claiming to be tiye's parents are fakes in my opinion...there are many statues and paintings of queen tiye and in all of them she is clearly the nubian- or black- type

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: strange

read it again Jahyout, she didn't say that she ain't black

[LusciousJohnson]

Re: strange

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Fancy



There is much, much more to all of this but I want to get on to the Obama/Akhenaton connection.

Akhenaton was a famous Egyptian Pharaoh. He was originally named Amenhotep IV, He was the son of Amenhotep III. He was married to Nefertiti. His mother was Queen Tiye. He is famous for introducing monotheism, the worship of Aten, to Egypt. Aten is associated with the Sun, specifically the disc of the Sun. To worship Aten however you had to worship Akhenaton. It’s good to be the king.

“Early in his reign he shunned the gods of old and began to worship a new god, Aton, whom he believed to be the only true god and sole creator of the universe. He renamed himself Akhenaton (”He Who Serves the Aton”) and moved his capital from Thebes to Akhetaton (”The Place of the Aton’s Effective Power”). There he created his own civil service, and became a much more accessible pharaoh than his ancestors. He also built smaller, more open temples and public buildings. “ www.cartage.org

So why do I think there is a connection?

Last year I spent some time at Michael Tsarion’s web site (no relation to Michael the Causal entity) reading his article on the Hyksos tribe who migrated into Egypt around 1600 BC or so. The Hyksos integrated into Egyptian society and ruled prior to the reign of Ahkentaton. Tsarion believes that Queen Tiye (1415 bc- 1340 bc) and here son Amenhotep (1392 -1362 bc) were both descendants of the Hyksos. For what it is worth, Tiye married at the age of 12 or 13. Considered intelligent and diligent, she was involved in the court politics and administration.

In his article, Tsarion included an image of Queen Tiye that was surprisingly naturalistic for Egyptian art. Egyptian art is highly stylized toward the ideal but this statue showed what Queen Tiye must have really looked like. It shows a personality, maybe a little too much personality. For some reason Tsarion took the article down but the image of Tiye I have included below is close to what I remember seeing at the web site. What is interesting about Tiye, and perhaps why some of her portraits are not as stylized, is that her parents were “commoners” not of any royal family. How did she come to power as the Queen of Amenhotep III? I would like to know the whole story.

I hadn’t revisited the site or the image, but it did stick to my mind. There was a fierceness in her scowl and in her eyes that I could not forget. She looked like one very determined woman. I found the image quite striking. Except for Ahkenaton, I have never been emotionally impressed with Egyptian Art. It is beautiful and grand, but for me there is no connection to the artist. It’s about grandeur and gods and not about the person. But this little portrait of Tiye almost scared me. It was real and I was looking at an image of Queen Tiye as an emotional human. This was an image that represented her reality and not the ideal of the queen.

About two weeks ago I was looking at an image of Michelle Obama and something about her seemed familiar. It was in her eyes and and shape of her mouth. I remembered the image of Tiye. Could there be a connection? Perhaps, Michelle also grew up in a working class family but earned a degree from the elite Princeton University, like Tiye, she was both racially and economically an outsider.
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no problem

[jah_yout]

Re: strange

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">read it again Jahyout, she didn't say that she ain't black </div></div>

true...but the writer she cited speculated that tiye was of hykso ancestry...the hyksos were from asia...while nubia &amp; egypt are in africa

[jah_yout]

Re: strange

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">read it again Jahyout, she didn't say that she ain't black </div></div>

true...but the writer she cited speculated that tiye was of hykso ancestry...the hyksos were from asia...while nubia &amp; egypt are in africa </div></div>

now i know why that guy that wrote that article- michael tsarion--- is taking queen tiye out of africa he says the original egyptians were irish

here is one of his theories


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<span style="font-weight: bold">The land we now call Egypt was colonized...and was originally peopled by fair Celts from the shores of Britain.</span> This was the Exodus of the Aryans, some of whom returned later to their primeval homes - Comyns Beaumont (Riddle of Pre-Historic Britain)
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http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/irishoriginsexcerpts/book1_chap10.html

aye sah

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: strange

DNA thrash the celtic story,because it pounts to Celts being of FRENCH origin. this even mess up the old story being passed as facts. Science is the enemu of most of what has been passed down as history.