so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ther is noreason why carnival hav eto be calypso. </div></div>
That is true but reggea is no march music

</div></div>Blues and Jazz is not march music either New OOrlenes don't seem to suffer and lack id fin with it.

[jah_yout]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">fe real come wid de link nu iya </div></div>

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[mangoskin]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">always wondered how successful j-a carnival would be;
this is interesting...
we're definitely not a carnival island the way trini &amp; most of the others are </div></div>

true dat..me memba when dem stawt dis particular Carnival bizniz


whappen to jookonoo (sp) ..now I know I'm dating myself..bway de performers used to scare wi </div></div>
junkanoo is definately a Bahamian thing - Boxing Day morning, and New Years morning, and nowadays they also have junkanoo in June

[rufian]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">always wondered how successful j-a carnival would be;
this is interesting...
we're definitely not a carnival island the way trini &amp; most of the others are </div></div>

true dat..me memba when dem stawt dis particular Carnival bizniz


whappen to jookonoo (sp) ..now I know I'm dating myself..bway de performers used to scare wi </div></div>
junkanoo is definately a Bahamian thing - Boxing Day morning, and New Years morning, and nowadays they also have junkanoo in June </div></div>
Saw this video a while back, looks like Bahamas a get competition
Anyhows similar traditions are all over the Caribbean. Bermuda, St. Kitts, Belize etc

[mangoskin]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

always wondered how successful j-a carnival would be;
this is interesting...
we're definitely not a carnival island the way trini &amp; most of the others are </div></div>

true dat..me memba when dem stawt dis particular Carnival bizniz


whappen to jookonoo (sp) ..now I know I'm dating myself..bway de performers used to scare wi </div></div>
junkanoo is definately a Bahamian thing - Boxing Day morning, and New Years morning, and nowadays they also have junkanoo in June </div></div>
Saw this video a while back, looks like Bahamas a get competition
Anyhows similar traditions are all over the Caribbean. Bermuda, St. Kitts, Belize etc

true, but some islands are more identified with junkanoo than others

[mangoskin]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

they would accept a calypso/soca fest in Bahamas though, those soca concerts do very well

[rufian]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">true, but some islands are more identified with junkanoo than others</div></div>
I never questioned it as being a Bahamian celebration, without them it probably would have died out like it did in the US. Just hinting at the possibility to install it on other islands

[julie*mango]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

Carnival has been reduced to the mini parties at Mas Camp and Jouvert in Ochi...there you will find the lighter spectrum of society mixing and dancing freely at these pay to play events excluding the &quot;kabba kabba&quot; that normally enjoy the free road parades each year...

[neutral]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if it was based onReggae, it woild have been profitable by now. But these idiots decide to tray to force a rejected cuklture on the country because they could afford to do so. Well like what happened when the government subsudy wass ended on the large suv's. That killed GM. Well they can still havetheir carnival in their gated communities with theur selected friends. If it was reggae, ut would hav eattracted enough foreugn tourists that the hotels would be only too happy to assist. But that is what happens when ideology os the main influence that controls an organizarions. </div></div>


Sorry doc but your argument doesnt hold much water,first of all who are these &quot;idiots&quot; that are trying to force a rejected culture on jamaica.

Secondly,in my opinion carnival doesnt have to be based entirely on soca or calypso,it can consist of many genres of music of the caribbean,even sumfest and its counterparts rely on offering different forms of reggae.

Here in the UK we have the notting hill carnival every year which is the largest outdoor event in europe,it consists of both reggae and soca,and is a resounding success.

Seems to me the issue is not exactly one of which genre of music is involved,or indeed whether its based on profit,from my understanding the event is not profit driven,it relies on funding from local businesses which in the light of the current economic recession has somewhat dried up.

[SmoothOperator]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">muss be tru is yaadies arrange it cause we done know seh if it was like dem oddas whe dem arrangers fly in fi it each year, funds wudda find somewhe eena di budget </div></div>

Well there goes the notion that Jamaica Carnival could rival Trinidad's. Can you imagine Trinidad calling off its carnival under ANY circumstance. No, no, no. JA Carnival was an also ran...and I don't mind that since I am a marginal soca fan. I am willing to place a small bet too that it may never come back too in its current form. And some people would say good riddance.

[Mutty]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

All I know is that in two and half weeks I'm going home for our 55th Carnival anniversary.

St. Thomas, Virgin Islands Carnival here I come!

Call off carnival in the eastern Caribbean??? That's like asking Jews to leave Israel.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if it was based onReggae, it woild have been profitable by now. But these idiots decide to tray to force a rejected cuklture on the country because they could afford to do so. Well like what happened when the government subsudy wass ended on the large suv's. That killed GM. Well they can still havetheir carnival in their gated communities with theur selected friends. If it was reggae, ut would hav eattracted enough foreugn tourists that the hotels would be only too happy to assist. But that is what happens when ideology os the main influence that controls an organizarions. </div></div>


Sorry doc but your argument doesnt hold much water,first of all who are these &quot;idiots&quot; that are trying to force a rejected culture on jamaica.

Secondly,in my opinion carnival doesnt have to be based entirely on soca or calypso,it can consist of many genres of music of the caribbean,even sumfest and its counterparts rely on offering different forms of reggae.

Here in the UK we have the notting hill carnival every year which is the largest outdoor event in europe,it consists of both reggae and soca,and is a resounding success.

Seems to me the issue is not exactly one of which genre of music is involved,or indeed whether its based on profit,from my understanding the event is not profit driven,it relies on funding from local businesses which in the light of the current economic recession has somewhat dried up. </div></div>

As usual you don't even understand the principles of sponsirship. Sponsorships are insiuance against loss.

eto cost them anything. That is what happens in a successfully promooted project.
In many cases sponsors make moneyy off the project instead of it costing them.
In this case it is a failire not because of the downturn, but because they see it as an unpriofitable investment. That mean they can't make back their money.
All successful sponsirchip are actually profitable to the sponsors.
Promoters need them even under those corcumstances, because sponsors act as an intrest free bank ,that loan them the investment to bring the project off. If successful the sponsor gett it back and even make a profit.
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Any way... How many time you say my judgement is bad,before???

remember about the Jamaican tourist under,the Passport treaty?

What about Jamaican tousism during the depression?
What aboutthe number of other incidences?

Anyway,youu seem to make the same mistake every time. First British blacks are not Jamaican black.

They are products of different cultures,although they are related, they don't react similar under ssame experiences.s
I am not analysing Nottinghill. I am analysung Jamaica.
I predicted the demise of the Jamaican Carnival unless they give reggae the primuary position, woith calypso secondary.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmoothOperator</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">muss be tru is yaadies arrange it cause we done know seh if it was like dem oddas whe dem arrangers fly in fi it each year, funds wudda find somewhe eena di budget </div></div>

Well there goes the notion that Jamaica Carnival could rival Trinidad's. Can you imagine Trinidad calling off its carnival under ANY circumstance. No, no, no. JA Carnival was an also ran...and I don't mind that since I am a marginal soca fan. I am willing to place a small bet too that it may never come back too in its current form. And some people would say good riddance. </div></div> If reggae was the primary music inthe Jamaican carnival, it would be a bugger tourist attraction than Sumfest.

[rufian]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ther is noreason why carnival hav eto be calypso. </div></div>
That is true but reggea is no march music

</div></div>Blues and Jazz is not march music either New OOrlenes don't seem to suffer and lack id fin with it.
</div></div>

The tempo of the blues that i have heard in mardi gras is different to what one would hear in a bar. That is what i meant.

[rufian]

Re: so Jamaica Carnival cawl awf dis year

Let me formulate that again.

The value of soca is not to be measured by how many white people it appeals to. Obviously it is not forsaken by its own and that is the most important thing.

Yes, I would say that the people who thought that a parade with soca music is carnival were being downright ignorant. But it comes over more as wanting to plant a piece of their culture.

Carnival all over the Caribbean uses various music, like in Brazil and the Spanish speaking parts. The musicians would have to come up with a different genre from the local music suitable for dancing and trancing on the street hours long, like some a de old time church music