Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

**Dr.Dudd** · 04-24-2009, 06:52 PM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it is budget time there too, and just saw this link in the Jamaican observer.

Jamaica PAYE and Income tax

If the numbers are right, it is saying that only 11.5% of the population pay income taxes at the moment? This cannot be right!!! I will continue checking other sources. But...

Let's see...in most economies, roughly 50% of the population makes up the workforce (the rest are children, elderly, prison and incapacitated). That would be about 1.2million for Jamaica.

And their unemployment rate is meant to be between 14-17%, but I will be generous and say 20%.
So only 25% of the workforce pay takes, another 20% is unemployed, where is the other 55% who are supposed to be working?!!
It is not a big Island, so they should devise schemes to bring people into the regulations.
But that 323,000 MUST be wrong, I'm sure!

</div></div> More nonsense again. the only way to bring the work force up to taxable income is to oncrease the wages paid to them. That is the only way. Youy can;t pay the majority of the workers at near slavery rates and expect them to pay taxes.
Why do youy not suggest the unjust tax rate un the country wherew the multimillionaire s, ciorpoirations and the lowly workers pay the same 33% tax rate?

**Amberal37** · 04-24-2009, 07:16 PM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What baseless talk about PNP instigating people?
Why is it that the JLP couldn't instigate the people irrespective of the number of attempts by Mr Seaga,during the PNP administration,but the PNP will be able to do it? Are there two different people in the country?
One set that the PNP can manipulate and the other that the JLP cannot manipulate?
Since when Jamaican just riot because some politician instigate them to do so?? </div></div>

Oh come on...one of the last memories as a child in Jamaica was the political riots, each party arming certain elements in the garrisons and that leading to people and property being attacked...remember 1980, well I do clearly it. People getting beatings, and fearing beatings because someone "suspects" that you support a party, or throwing petrol bombs on your house because of the same.

Yes, things have improved dramatically, but the later again in the 80's people died because of simply having a suspected political allegiance. I am not going to "dress up" history.
I don't know the dynamics of which party was better at stirring the emotions than the other, but the reality was there.

**barosa** · 04-24-2009, 10:55 PM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it import salt fish, when Jamaica is surrounded by fish?</div></div>
amberal37, I was hoping that someone would have answered that question... ~ In the general scheme of things, it's not an important enough question as no one bothered to reply to it specifically, but I wondered why you ask and is thinking that maybe, you are not a lover of Saltfish which is cured Codfish and is caught mainly in Canadian waters.

I couldn't resist the urge to reply since Saltfish is 50% of our National Dish which as you know is ACKEE & SALTFISH... As you say, we are surrounded by fish and maybe it would be possible to select one of the largest fish in our waters to salt and cure it to see if it could replace the Cod. I'm sure many have thought like you in the past, but we are still eating the cod, maybe it's the taste of it that Jamaicans love... Others may have a point of view on this matter.
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**Sinco01** · 04-25-2009, 09:48 AM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it import salt fish, when Jamaica is surrounded by fish?</div></div>
amberal37, I was hoping that someone would have answered that question... ~ In the general scheme of things, it's not an important enough question as no one bothered to reply to it specifically, but I wondered why you ask and is thinking that maybe, you are not a lover of Saltfish which is cured Codfish and is caught mainly in Canadian waters.

I couldn't resist the urge to reply since Saltfish is 50% of our National Dish which as you know is ACKEE & SALTFISH... As you say, we are surrounded by fish and maybe it would be possible to select one of the largest fish in our waters to salt and cure it to see if it could replace the Cod. I'm sure many have thought like you in the past, but we are still eating the cod,<span style="font-weight: bold"> maybe it's the taste of it that Jamaicans love.</span>.. Others may have a point of view on this matter.
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Boy! Aren't we living in interesting times? </div></div>

it is an aquired taste ..
cannot be easily replaced ..
and we have been eating this from "back in the day" ..

**Gen** · 04-25-2009, 11:08 AM

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woieeeee yuh still a bringle ovah lizbeth eeeh

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there will be more price increases & more riots as jamaica not even an independent country </div></div>

**Gen** · 04-25-2009, 11:19 AM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

salt haddock salt whiting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sinco01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it import salt fish, when Jamaica is surrounded by fish?</div></div>
amberal37, I was hoping that someone would have answered that question... ~ In the general scheme of things, it's not an important enough question as no one bothered to reply to it specifically, but I wondered why you ask and is thinking that maybe, you are not a lover of Saltfish which is cured Codfish and is caught mainly in Canadian waters.

I couldn't resist the urge to reply since Saltfish is 50% of our National Dish which as you know is ACKEE & SALTFISH... As you say, we are surrounded by fish and maybe it would be possible to select one of the largest fish in our waters to salt and cure it to see if it could replace the Cod. I'm sure many have thought like you in the past, but we are still eating the cod,<span style="font-weight: bold"> maybe it's the taste of it that Jamaicans love.</span>.. Others may have a point of view on this matter.
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Boy! Aren't we living in interesting times? </div></div>

it is an aquired taste ..
cannot be easily replaced ..
and we have been eating this from "back in the day" .. </div></div>

**Dr.Dudd** · 04-25-2009, 11:41 AM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it import salt fish, when Jamaica is surrounded by fish?</div></div>
amberal37, I was hoping that someone would have answered that question... ~ In the general scheme of things, it's not an important enough question as no one bothered to reply to it specifically, but I wondered why you ask and is thinking that maybe, you are not a lover of Saltfish which is cured Codfish and is caught mainly in Canadian waters.

I couldn't resist the urge to reply since Saltfish is 50% of our National Dish which as you know is ACKEE & SALTFISH... As you say, we are surrounded by fish and maybe it would be possible to select one of the largest fish in our waters to salt and cure it to see if it could replace the Cod. I'm sure many have thought like you in the past, but we are still eating the cod, maybe it's the taste of it that Jamaicans love... Others may have a point of view on this matter.
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Boy! Aren't we living in interesting times? </div></div>They don't get Cod any more. It is almost on the endangered list. So they have substituted another cheaper cold water species, and the people,don't even know. The gish they now export to Jamaica is actually salted haddoc.
So they could substitute it with a large tropucal fish, but there would be no gurantee that theyw ould not have to re-import it from those who reap it from Jamaican waters anyway.

Jamaican waters serve every other country than it does ours. So lot of changes would have to be made to institute any changes.

I have suggested changes to the way fishing is treated in Jamaica, year ago.
It is probably in the archives. I saw it ther some time ago.

**Amberal37** · 04-25-2009, 08:44 PM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They don't get Cod any more. It is almost on the endangered list. So they have substituted another cheaper cold water species, and the people,don't even know. The gish they now export to Jamaica is actually salted haddoc.
So they could substitute it with a large tropucal fish, but there would be no gurantee that theyw ould not have to re-import it from those who reap it from Jamaican waters anyway.

Jamaican waters serve every other country than it does ours. So lot of changes would have to be made to institute any changes.

I have suggested changes to the way fishing is treated in Jamaica, year ago.
It is probably in the archives. I saw it ther some time ago. </div></div>

Couldn't figure out how do a search in the archives without bring up all the years' topics, but will keep trying.
I'm not sure whether it is cod or haddock that they import, but I know where they import it from, and it is not right...

By the way, why are others 'reaping' it from Ja's waters, international law gives entitlement to a coastline border that we are allowed to claim and defend.

I see a lot of people do their own individual fishing in JA. (you've probably seen the ones that sell fish on the highway). They swim out several kilometers to catch these. I know there are fishermen, but maybe things like this can be widened as a skill in an organised way will help the poorer make some living.

In terms of preparing the dried and salted, it would be cheaper to initially bring in trainers (even if from abroad), to train on how to prepare this.
We sell less to Australia, Norway, wherever - than they sell to us. If atleast some measures were done to develop the internal markets, then naturally in a few years overall skills levels would improve and you might find that Ja is exporting more, therefore bringing more money IN, than letting OUT.

Every dollar that they let out, is the government losing the equivalent % in taxes from either payroll taxes (no internal industry used to create employment), or Corporation taxes on profits.
I honestly think that the government are too cushioned from the day to day reality of the poorer people, who make up a big enough %.
They also need to start to see what is in the people's hearts, what they do everyday to survive and turn that into organised economics.

**Dr.Dudd** · 04-26-2009, 02:31 AM

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The Jamaican waters are overrun by other countries fishing fleet,because the government refuse to take the fishing industry as serious as these other countries. every other country finance or subsidizes their fishing fleet. Jamaican Government does nit support a real fishing fleet. It subsidizes, a day-boat canoeing subsistence fleet. That is just enough to keep fishermen from rioting due ti starvation. They do not believing in improving the economic position of the majority. all they do is to maintain a policy that just keep them from rioting. That is in line with the philosophy.
this is why 33% of the people are not able ti afford a place to live legally. Which other country with such a high percentage of literate people accept such conditions?

**Amberal37** · 04-26-2009, 06:25 AM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

Sorry, but this topic continues to intrigue me, so found this old article in the Jamaican Gleaner, it seems to confirm what you say...
Poaching fish from Jamaican waters
Maybe I should place a separate thread...?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Jamaican waters are overrun by other countries fishing fleet,because the government refuse to take the fishing industry as serious as these other countries. every other country finance or subsidizes their fishing fleet. Jamaican Government does nit support a real fishing fleet. It subsidizes, a day-boat canoeing subsistence fleet. That is just enough to keep fishermen from rioting due ti starvation. They do not believing in improving the economic position of the majority. all they do is to maintain a policy that just keep them from rioting. That is in line with the philosophy.
this is why 33% of the people are not able ti afford a place to live legally. Which other country with such a high percentage of literate people accept such conditions?
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So we have a potential to gain another JA$50bn from this, and the government prefer to just do the bare minimum to service its loans and stop rioting...

Having lived elsewhere and seen how countries with so much less natural resources have created wealth for it's nation by building industry on what they do have it makes you celebrate what is in Ja, but also makes you wonder more...what causes this?

**j-kid** · 04-26-2009, 10:23 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well the government is <span style="font-weight: bold">bankrupt</span> and cannot live on borrowings forever, but the gas taxes already sound too high!!

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Did you say di Govt is corrupt?

**gourmet** · 04-26-2009, 12:35 PM

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Does Jamaica still have a lot of "fishing" with dynamite and poisons?

**Dr.Dudd** · 04-26-2009, 12:57 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well the government is <span style="font-weight: bold">bankrupt</span> and cannot live on borrowings forever, but the gas taxes already sound too high!!

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Did you say di Govt is corrupt? </div></div> This line along with lines is like "education make him a fool" and the most recent ones,like privatization of government services is more beneficial were created by those who use loans, education and government services to be in control of the world economy.
saying that the government owes too much money to finance an industry that will return 100 fold the onbvbestment is in the same light.
The majority of the canoes that fishermen uses and it is thousands of them are subsidized by the Fisheries department of the Jamaican government.this has been going on for over 40 years. they subsidize, the canoe,engines and fuel for every local fishermen. That is why the gas they use is green.
it is dyes to make sure they can't divert it to other use.
The most effective means of keeping any group of people down is to withhold from them the means to earn enough to become prosperous.
the most effective way to keep a country ar make it a such is to restrict loans to teir productive sector.

Jamaica or any country for that matter cannot be too bankrpot to borrow to improve their productive capacity. Jamaica need to upfrade the fishing equipment and keep oy in the hands of the same people . the problem is that they wwill not do that. If they funance reall fishiung vessels, they will give them to some nonblack,who make a killing off the lical fishermen, while keeping them nearstarving. In th eproces continue the tinderbiox until they get open rebellion. those incontrol of any economy will never allow others in it, unless by the fear of death.

**Dr.Dudd** · 04-26-2009, 01:22 PM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, but this topic continues to intrigue me, so found this old article in the Jamaican Gleaner, it seems to confirm what you say...
Poaching fish from Jamaican waters
Maybe I should place a separate thread...?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Jamaican waters are overrun by other countries fishing fleet,because the government refuse to take the fishing industry as serious as these other countries. every other country finance or subsidizes their fishing fleet. Jamaican Government does nit support a real fishing fleet. It subsidizes, a day-boat canoeing subsistence fleet. That is just enough to keep fishermen from rioting due ti starvation. They do not believing in improving the economic position of the majority. all they do is to maintain a policy that just keep them from rioting. That is in line with the philosophy.
this is why 33% of the people are not able ti afford a place to live legally. Which other country with such a high percentage of literate people accept such conditions?
</div></div>

So we have a potential to gain another JA$50bn from this, and the government prefer to just do the bare minimum to service its loans and stop rioting...

Having lived elsewhere and seen how countries with so much less natural resources have created wealth for it's nation by building industry on what they do have it makes you celebrate what is in Ja, but also makes you wonder more...what causes this?
</div></div> I don't wonder about the cause. i write about it on a daily basis. this is the policy of the country. Jamaica is still being run as a colony of developed countries. It use to be exclusively colony to Britain,but after the so-called independence,it has just widen it's clutch of colonial masters. Colonies are run like a farm. the only thing put in the farm is the seed and all that is necessary to reap the fruits. Nothing more,and that is what Jamaica has been and still is tiday.

It's fruits are sold to those who really need cheap fruits, so that tey can use the profits toi pay their workers, and develop their economy.
If the cost of the fruits us too high there is no market. So instead of creating manufactured products on the farms (3rd world countries) it is shipped to the developed countries where they use it to become prosperous.
Even The controllers of the economy are colonials. They only use Jamaica as a means of making big profits.
They have also made so much of a killing, that they do not want to develop anything.
since they can make enough from selling imports. the majority on the other hand suffers as a result of this policy.
the reason is not a mystery, it is a strategy to achieve a policy, which enriches developed countries, while starves the majority of the population of all colonies.
The whole continent of Africa is treated likewise too.
Whoever has the guns rule the world. They create illiterates,kill off the smart ones then turn them on each other. wghile they are busy fightinf the colonials are busy exchanging their wealth for arms toi kill each other.
then they publish in their media that they own, how the africans are corrupt.
Then the miseducated blacks od the diaspora parrot it like the fools they have been indictrinated to become.

**Sinco01** · 04-26-2009, 03:59 PM

Re: Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

If i'm not mistaken ..
the Coast Guard got 2 new boats last year ..
are they still running ..? ?
or dem mash dem up arredi ?

Jamaican army deployed ahead of huge tax increase on basics

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