jamaican saved george washington?

[jah_yout]

'george washington gave his farewell speech to his officers in a restaurant in new york city owned by a black jamaican man whose daughter had saved washington's life when an attempt to poison him'...

dr john henrik clarke, on a videoclip i saw

[RichD]

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dem had video in those days?

[jah_yout]

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videoclip of dr clarke

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'george washington gave his farewell speech to his officers in a restaurant in new york city owned by a black jamaican man whose daughter had saved washington's life when an attempt to poison him'...

dr john henrik clarke, on a videoclip i saw
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Yep the guy was a spy for the British..... They negoiated the final treaty between the USA and Britian at his Tavern.... I also beleive that the daughter tried to posion him.. not save him....

[jah_yout]

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and alexander hamilton, was a west indian who would be considered black by america's definition

[Ja. Jewel]

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His father was Scottish and mother French Why would he be considered Black?

[Nylah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">His father was Scottish and mother French Why would he be considered Black? </div></div>

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and alexander hamilton, was a west indian who would be considered black by america's definition </div></div>

best thing Hamilton ever did was he got shot by Aaron Burr... Out of which we get one of the great novels in the worlld Burr by Gore Vidal.....

Because it is a yanki definition does not make him white... And no a quadroon for a mother was a rumour....

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">His father was Scottish and mother French Why would he be considered Black? </div></div>

well like i said, by america's definition...

he had at least one black grandparent...born west-indian;
they always tried to be real ambiguous with his portraits


also you never heard of balck scottish or french?

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">His father was Scottish and mother French Why would he be considered Black? </div></div>

well like i said, by america's definition...

he had at least one black grandparent...born west-indian;
they always tried to be real ambiguous with his portraits


also you never heard of balck scottish or french? </div></div> no who were they ???? the black irish was a cursed term and or the remanats of the spanish armada who crahed in ireland dpendenin on intretation...

or the more likely explantion is that it was a roumour started by Hamilton poltical oponents to smear him...

the one explanation why hamilton fought the duel with Burr was that Burr called him out on the ancestry of the alleged gran parent... and Hamilton challenged him..

The otehr roumour was that Burr the ladies man was accussed by Hamilton on sleepint with his own daughter as a response to tge alleged taunt and Burr the warrior called him out... Burr was VP..

Hamilton is a very itneresting character and is responsible for one of the great debates that is still unreolved in the us.. Standing army or no standing army.. as he never fought in the army he was for the standing army.... Washington wanted to dissolve the army.. (And hamilton parents were incompetent slave owners)

[jah_yout]

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AS MUCH as I thought I knew about Alexander Hamilton, the first treasury secretary, nobody ever told me he was black. Yes. You heard it here first, folks.

And you'll think about it from now on every time you take out a $10 bill.

Hamilton biographer Ron Chernow is the latest one to explore the theory.

I was totally blown away by that information when a friend casually mentioned Hamilton's link to two significant anniversaries - the 250th anniversary of Columbia University, originally Kings College where he was schooled, and the 200th anniversary this month of the duel in Weehawken with Aaron Burr that claimed his life.

Hamilton was black? It was in none of the historical accounts I'd read.

Knowing if it's true would help explain why Hamilton and John Jay worked on legal strategies after the Revolution to keep former slaves and freedmen from being snatched back into slavery. They called it the New York Manumission Society.

&quot;He was a passionate and consistent abolitionist,&quot; Chernow told me. &quot;What he says about blacks is very sympathetic.&quot;

Hamilton wrote a letter to John Jay objecting to his reasons for rejecting slaves and free blacks as soldiers.

&quot;Their natural faculties are probably as good as ours,&quot; Hamilton wrote.

Chernow says having been born and raised in two slave-dominant Caribbean cultures - Nevis, a British Island, and St. Croix, under Danish rule - might explain Hamilton's feelings about improving the lot of blacks in America.

In &quot;Alexander Hamilton,&quot; Chernow, the author of the newly released Penguin Press biography quotes him: &quot;The contempt we have been taught to entertain for the blacks makes us fancy many things that are founded neither in reason nor in experience.&quot;

Chernow says Hamilton never talked about his background, but everybody else - especially his enemies - knew he was born illegitimate and that, with no &quot;family,&quot; he had risen fast after arriving on the continent. They called him names - immigrant, foreigner, Creole — punctuated with &quot;bastard.&quot;

News accounts of the day called his mother Creole, but Chernow says there's been no proof that he was racially mixed.

Folklore, anonymous statements in the newspaper by political enemies, and the fact that African slaves dominated St. Croix demographics about 14 to one all add to what Chernow calls the &quot;presumption&quot; of blackness in Hamilton's bloodlines. It didn't help that his mother had a less than stellar reputation, having borne him and his brother James after leaving her husband and son on St. Croix and hooking up with her new man on Nevis.

Chernow says there was a &quot;presumption&quot; that his mother was part black, but there's no proof.

&quot;From the time he started to become politically controversial, reports started to occur in the press that he was Creole,&quot; Chernow says.

&quot;It does not come from friendly sources. It comes from people who wanted to discredit him.&quot; Chernow found a lock of Hamilton's hair, but says geneticists told him race could not be proven definitively using that hair.

William Cissel, a U.S. Park Service historian working on St. Croix, said his mother Rachel Fawcett Levien was listed as white on several census and church burial documents.

Hamilton's blackness is supported only by circumstantial argument.

I say let's dig him up and run some genetic tests on his DNA. It's been done with older bones than his, and we know where he's buried in the Trinity Church churchyard. Why not? A whole cemetery, the African Burial Grounds, was excavated in lower Manhattan and the bones scattered so the foundation of a new federal building could be poured.

Inquiring minds want to know if the Caribbean foreigner responsible for our banking structure and establishing manufacturing in Paterson was of African descent.

One school of thought says color shouldn't matter as long as he did a good job. But it would be a good idea to pin it down for sure to expand our knowledge of colonial history... and to reinforce in African-Americans a sense of &quot;belonging&quot; beyond their slave history.

The message for black youngsters is that African-Americans were present at every stage of the United States' development, and that one of the founding fathers was in fact an African-American.

If nothing else, Hamilton's rise to power and prominence from beginnings that could only be described as Dickensian, is a lesson in overcoming adversity.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1177315/posts

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[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
AS MUCH as I thought I knew about Alexander Hamilton, the first treasury secretary, nobody ever told me he was black. Yes. You heard it here first, folks.

And you'll think about it from now on every time you take out a $10 bill.

Hamilton biographer Ron Chernow is the latest one to explore the theory.

I was totally blown away by that information when a friend casually mentioned Hamilton's link to two significant anniversaries - the 250th anniversary of Columbia University, originally Kings College where he was schooled, and the 200th anniversary this month of the duel in Weehawken with Aaron Burr that claimed his life.

Hamilton was black? It was in none of the historical accounts I'd read.

Knowing if it's true would help explain why Hamilton and John Jay worked on legal strategies after the Revolution to keep former slaves and freedmen from being snatched back into slavery. They called it the New York Manumission Society.

&quot;He was a passionate and consistent abolitionist,&quot; Chernow told me. &quot;What he says about blacks is very sympathetic.&quot;

Hamilton wrote a letter to John Jay objecting to his reasons for rejecting slaves and free blacks as soldiers.

&quot;Their natural faculties are probably as good as ours,&quot; Hamilton wrote.

Chernow says having been born and raised in two slave-dominant Caribbean cultures - Nevis, a British Island, and St. Croix, under Danish rule - might explain Hamilton's feelings about improving the lot of blacks in America.

In &quot;Alexander Hamilton,&quot; Chernow, the author of the newly released Penguin Press biography quotes him: &quot;The contempt we have been taught to entertain for the blacks makes us fancy many things that are founded neither in reason nor in experience.&quot;

Chernow says Hamilton never talked about his background, but everybody else - especially his enemies - knew he was born illegitimate and that, with no &quot;family,&quot; he had risen fast after arriving on the continent. They called him names - immigrant, foreigner, Creole — punctuated with &quot;bastard.&quot;

News accounts of the day called his mother Creole, but Chernow says there's been no proof that he was racially mixed.

Folklore, anonymous statements in the newspaper by political enemies, and the fact that African slaves dominated St. Croix demographics about 14 to one all add to what Chernow calls the &quot;presumption&quot; of blackness in Hamilton's bloodlines. It didn't help that his mother had a less than stellar reputation, having borne him and his brother James after leaving her husband and son on St. Croix and hooking up with her new man on Nevis.

Chernow says there was a &quot;presumption&quot; that his mother was part black, but there's no proof.

&quot;From the time he started to become politically controversial, reports started to occur in the press that he was Creole,&quot; Chernow says.

&quot;It does not come from friendly sources. It comes from people who wanted to discredit him.&quot; Chernow found a lock of Hamilton's hair, but says geneticists told him race could not be proven definitively using that hair.

William Cissel, a U.S. Park Service historian working on St. Croix, said his mother Rachel Fawcett Levien was listed as white on several census and church burial documents.

Hamilton's blackness is supported only by circumstantial argument.

I say let's dig him up and run some genetic tests on his DNA. It's been done with older bones than his, and we know where he's buried in the Trinity Church churchyard. Why not? A whole cemetery, the African Burial Grounds, was excavated in lower Manhattan and the bones scattered so the foundation of a new federal building could be poured.

Inquiring minds want to know if the Caribbean foreigner responsible for our banking structure and establishing manufacturing in Paterson was of African descent.

One school of thought says color shouldn't matter as long as he did a good job. But it would be a good idea to pin it down for sure to expand our knowledge of colonial history... and to reinforce in African-Americans a sense of &quot;belonging&quot; beyond their slave history.

The message for black youngsters is that African-Americans were present at every stage of the United States' development, and that one of the founding fathers was in fact an African-American.

If nothing else, Hamilton's rise to power and prominence from beginnings that could only be described as Dickensian, is a lesson in overcoming adversity.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1177315/posts

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yep I always like when they say you heard it here first.. Dont these guys ever read JAG Rogers ?????? it was in one of his books I learnt of it...

As for the being an anti slavery.. He was president of the Pensylvania mannumission society.. but there is indriect evidence that he may have been a slave owner.... As a lawyer he bought slaves on behalf of clients is known...

Dont let it seem that I am cynical but it is not that simple.. had he proclaimed he was black if he indeed was he would have not done the things that he did.. and as a personaility in history he was remarkable.. He would have eventually been elected president had he not been killed by that fatal duel.. many of teh things he acheived has had an impact.. from forming the Bank of Amnerica to help frame the US constitution...

And i retrawllwd my memory.. he was in the contental army.... He id lead in battle.. I mixed up some of his poltics with Jefferson.. Dementia setting in...