How Long America? In Which the Unthinkable is Thunk

[Tuff Gong]

Hmm, might seem that way, but Reed is an expatriot that lives in a little town in Mexico, is married to a Hispanic (Mexican) lady, and has an adopted Hispanic daughter...that blows your conspiracy theory of a racially charged Crusade against Hispanics...people don't surround themselves by the elements they despise.

A. Sleeping with Wet-Backs, don't mean you don't hate Wet-Backs?
If all the current male suitors on the Right (that we know of), ran for Office in 2016 everyone will have Latin Antecedents and/or connections, yet the GOP has demonstrated that the singular intent of Right is to stop the 11 million Illegals from gaining even a hint of respectability as humans in this country.

B. I said the Right in general, but no need for me to apologize because Reed himself, though cohabiting with wet-backs has written a screed that is very much fearful of a fifth-column of Meechians changing the colour, racial makeup and eventually siding with Meechico to over-throw. Amerikkka.
Even you, dufus admitted that that the article carried racial overtones.

[lonewolf]

You post with such conviction, yet you don't know bull-foot is it almost comical.
Even a casual observer can see that the acquisition of large territories by the USA changed the culture and demographics of the USA.
Areas that were largely French, Canadian, Native American and Latin came with Vente de la Louisiane.

It's internet communication...some things are not always so clear. Why didn't you say that from the begining? Be specific...

Even you, dufus admitted that that the article carried racial overtones.

Dufus? Really? Is that all you got? This is like communcating with a 10 yr old...

C'mon Tuff, how about an adult conversation? What's your major malfunction? Can't you converse with out name calling/insults? How old are you? Grow up for Christ's sake...Go watch TV if you can't handle adult conversations...I'm sure there are plenty of reruns of Sesame Street for your entertainment.

Keep up the crap and I'm gonna call your mommy and tell her your using the computer during your nap time...you know kids get grumpy without their naps...and turn into a PUSS FACE.

[lonewolf]

I agree that it is a federal responsibility my challenge was to the statement you made claiming that Obama administration had prevented state like Arizona from implementing measure to protect the border. you have provided nothing to support that claim.

Obama administration was against Arizona's tough immigration law. He intervened and fought against Arizona to control it's borders. Obama complained, called the law "misguided" and said it would “undermine basic notions of fairness,” Obama then ordered the Justice Department to find some way to challenge the law's standing.
So, you don't see this as Obama preventing Arizona from controlling its own borders?

On June 17, 2010, the Obama administration announced that it intended to sue the state of Arizona over the law. On July 28, 2010, Federal District Court Judge Susan Bolton issued a major ruling that blocked key provisions of S.B. 1070 from being implemented.

That's the way I see it Rich, you may see it different. I don't know what else you would call this.

[lonewolf]

one of the messages i got from reading this piece was ..."Hispanic are Ok, not like the back who hate us ..as proven by the hateful way The blacks in leadership behave"

Maybe, the guys doesn't pull any punches, he tells it the way he thinks...here is another piece by Reed on Hispanics and the US.



Los Indocumentados
A Surly View from the South
September 9, 2014

Fred Reed


A few thoughts for Americans (justifiably) upset by the influx of illegal Mexicans:

First, they come because you invite them. In effect you say, “Diego, don’t you cross that river. If you do, and we catch you, we’ll just put you back across the border and you can try again, perhaps the same night. When you make it across, which is easy, we’ll give you a good job and, depending on where you are, a driver’s license, schools for your kids, welfare, food stamps, and medical care. Any children you have will be US citizens and, as we all know, sooner or later you will have amnesty Now, don’t cross that river, you hear?.”

That’ll work.

Second, they come because you guys changed the immigration laws. Mexico didn’t change your laws. The illegals didn’t change your laws. You did.

Third, you let them stay. You are not deporting them. You encouraged them to come and, when they did, you let them stay, and now you complain that they came and stayed. How sensible.

Fourth, you grouse that Latinos take American jobs. They do not. It is probable that no Latino has ever taken an American’s job. How would he do it? Point a pistol at the gringo’s head and say, “Give me that shovel or I’ll blow you into gruel”?

In fact conservative, noisily patriotic American businessmen give them American jobs. Businessmen know they are doing it. After all, Mexicans are easy to recognize. They are brownish and speak Spanish. These are the same conservative, patriotic etc. who off-whored (that was a typo, but accurate so I’ll leave it) other American jobs to China. They are the same ones who import programmers from India. My country tis of thee….

Fifth, Americans don’t want the jobs that Latinos do. If a young man from El Salvador can come all the way from Central America to harvest tobacco in North Carolina or work in restaurants in Washington, so could an unemployed “teen” from Detroit or Chicago. They don’t, which leaves the jobs to…yes!...Latinos.

Sixth, the federal government is complicit. Obama does all he can to further immigration. Mexicans didn’t elect Obama. You did.

The feds know where the illegals are: You can’t hide an entire agricultural work-force, or construction sites and meat-packing plants manned almost entirely by obvious foreigners. How many Mexicans do you think can go unnoticed in a small Midwestern town?

Do you think immigration a bad thing, mis amigos? You did it to yourselves. And you are still doing it.

Seventh, all the grrr-bow-wow-woof about a border fence is silly. It isn’t going to happen. Republicans will make appropriate noises, but the businessmen who desperately want Mexican labor are Republicans.

Eighth, methinks amnesty is a foregone conclusion. The current racially-obsessed administration may get it through soon, in bits and chunks perhaps. De facto amnesty is still amnesty. A Republican administration may block it for another eight years (while leaving the illegals in place to work). Yet the illegals are not going to go away, and Latino political power will grow.

Ninth, there will be serious bad blood between black and brown. It is beginning. Latinos already are more numerous than blacks, and become more so daily. The two compete in the same strata of society, and do not like each other. Blacks now have immense political power, but numbers eventually tell.

Further, Latinos seem well on the way to becoming absolute majorities in four states: California (sometimes referred to as North Mexico), Arizona, Texas, and the appropriately named New Mexico, . Think about that.

Tenth, there is grave danger that the newcomers will be corrupted by the American welfare state. Mexicans at least arrive with a strong work ethic. They take any job they can get and maybe a couple of others on the side. When have you seen fifteen members of any other ethnic group waiting outside a Seven-Eleven at five in the morning hoping for work?

But if they find that they can go on the dole and get things for free, they will. Nobody who doesn’t have to will shovel asphalt under a hot sun or stand in two inches of blood in a slaughterhouse ten hours a day. Would you? They seem to be beginning to demand things on grounds of historical mistreatment. Where have we heard this before? The economy probably cannot stand another large dependent class.

Eleventh, the absolutely crucial question is whether they will assimilate, or at least co-exist, or become another self-aware anti-white group. The intense hostility of nativist whites drives them toward confrontation.

How assimilable are Latinos? It is hard to tell. Much depends on the country of origin I think. I can speak with any degree of knowledge only of Mexicans.

They, the majority of the immigrants, are sort of half European genetically, for what that’s worth, Christian, and speak a European language. In Mexico itself, they maintain a mostly modern society functioning at perhaps seventy-five percent of the declining American norm. Call it sixty, or eighty if you will. How do you measure? But it is clearly, if certainly trailingly, in the European mold of technology, semi-democracy, and ascent into the middle class. Their intellectual tradition—for example, the works of such men as Octavio Paz, Carlos Fuentes, and Alejandro Colunga—are within the European framework, though with a Mexican flavor.

On the negative side, those going to the United States are mostly from the lower half of Mexican society. Though not evil people (crime is low in the villages) they are not ready for American society. While illiteracy is not as common as imagined by gringos, literacy in Mexico is not the same as literacy in Finland. And it is people with a fourth-grade education, not the middle class, who swim the river.

If you want a straightforward idea of how emigration to the US actually works, I suggest Crossing Over: A Mexican Family on the Migrant Trail by Ruben Martinez.

Twelfth, the numbers and concentrations of Mexicans in America are such that before long they will be able to tell Eurowhites to screw off, and form their own society in the Southwest. If that happens, so much for the Union. They know that in 1848 the US stole half of Mexico, specifically those states in which Mexicans are marching toward a majority. (Blowback, do we call it?) Americans, who typically have never heard of that invasion, can say, "Get over it." Good luck. Young Mexican males, some anyway, are saying things like “We will be the majority. We will rule.”

Monument in Guadalajara to Los Niños Heroes, young cadets who died fighting the Americans in the Mexican-American War, in which America annexed the Southwest. There are at least hundreds of Niños Heroes Streets all over Mexico. This explains why Mexicans have little sympathy for complaints that they are illegally entering American territory. They don't think it is American territory. Payback's a *****.

Having become a voting majority in the Southwest, they could choose, piecemeal or all at once, to ignore the central government. Then what? Do you send the Marines to conquer California?

All of this results from American policy. You buttered your bread, a curmudgeon might say. Now lie in it

[RichD]

Obama administration was against Arizona's tough immigration law. He intervened and fought against Arizona to control it's borders. Obama complained, called the law "misguided" and said it would “undermine basic notions of fairness,” Obama then ordered the Justice Department to find some way to challenge the law's standing.
So, you don't see this as Obama preventing Arizona from controlling its own borders?



That's the way I see it Rich, you may see it different. I don't know what else you would call this.

i dont see that law as having any effect on controlling the border. All that law does it give the police a tool to harass legal residents. If somebody stopped you today what proof of citizenship would you have on you? Do you carry your birth certificate?

[RichD]

Maybe, the guys doesn't pull any punches, he tells it the way he thinks...

so do you agree with him?

[Tuff Gong]

i dont see that law as having any effect on controlling the border. All that law does it give the police a tool to harass legal residents. If somebody stopped you today what proof of citizenship would you have on you? Do you carry your birth certificate?

........an the selected quotes from the Constitution and Bible? Yeah do you have all the Docs on your person at all times?

[Tuff Gong]

Maybe, the guys doesn't pull any punches, he tells it the way he thinks...

Yeah .... Conspiracy Theories based on race -baiting and gross distortion facts?

[Tuff Gong]

It's internet communication...some things are not always so clear. Why didn't you say that from the begining? Be specific...

I was responding to an article that accused the current Attorney General and the POTUS of the USA of deliberately trying to change the racial and cultural make up of the USA by favouring Hispanics.

One assumes that the OP would have sufficient grasp of the facts about important events in the making of the USA. Such that Cliff Notes and Homework would not be necessary when references to such momentous events are made?

[Tuff Gong]

This is like communcating with a 10 yr old....

The entire reading of this article was so painful. The notion that two elected Black officials would so hate whites that they (by implication), allowed 11 million illegal Hispanics to remain in and procreate in the USA? A ten year old child would be scarred for life, having read it.

[jah_yout]

the sad part is that a lot of people really believe this stuff;
sounds scary but half of ameriKKKa thinks obama is a kenyan secret agent sent to destroy america from within with communism and islam and wetbacks with his ni66er high-falootin' self

[lonewolf]

I was responding to an article that accused the current Attorney General and the POTUS of the USA of deliberately trying to change the racial and cultural make up of the USA by favouring Hispanics.

One assumes that the OP would have sufficient grasp of the facts about important events in the making of the USA. Such that Cliff Notes and Homework would not be necessary when references to such momentous events are made?

They don't have to try. Giving amnesty to the current illegal population in the US will suffice...Since you want to deal in facts, "the Hispanic population grew to 53 million in 2012, a 50% increase since 2000
and nearly six times the population in 1970."

And...

Immigration Isn't Driving Hispanic Population Growth | FiveThirtyEight
fivethirtyeight.com/.../immigration-isnt-driving-hispanic-population-growth/CachedJul 9, 2014 ... In 2013, according to the Pew Research Center, immigration accounted for just
22 percent of Latino population growth. The rest was due to ...

'Anchor Baby' Outrage: Americans Pay BILLIONS for Illegal Alien ...
toprightnews.com/anchor-baby-outrage-americans-pay-billions-for-illegal-alien-births-video/CachedMar 13, 2014 ... 'Anchor Baby' Outrage: Americans Pay BILLIONS for Illegal Alien Births .... state
governments while the Hispanic Foreign Nationals seemingly ...

What part of the word illegal don't you and the Attorney General and the POTUS of the USA understand?

Oh, that's right, YOU and the Attorney General and the POTUS of the USA understand, YOU ALL DON'T CARE ABOUT BREAKING OR ENFORCING US LAW...Imagine that?

[lonewolf]

so do you agree with him?

On what point? Please, be specific.

[Tuff Gong]

They don't have to try. Giving amnesty to the current illegal population in the US will suffice...Since you want to deal in facts, "the Hispanic population grew to 53 million in 2012, a 50% increase since 2000
and nearly six times the population in 1970."

Proof of what? What did you just prove?
It is a statistical fact the the Hispanic Population has been growing since the first Spanish Conquistador.
Didn't I already said that the Hispanic Population of the USA was projected to replace Blacks as the most significant minority since the time of G.W.B.?
This would have been so whether the POTUS represented Blue or Red.
How is this Barry's fault?

[Tuff Gong]

Oh, that's right, YOU and the Attorney General and the POTUS of the USA understand, YOU ALL DON'T CARE ABOUT BREAKING OR ENFORCING US LAW...Imagine that?

So Eric and Barry ...who together has deported more illegals than an previous POTUS is now responsible for Anchor Babies?
What law did they pass/break that made Hispanics start procreating?