jamaica paradise island?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The same old argument that trails from thread to thread...even when others in other threads tried to explain why they have certain opinions, you are still asking for &quot;proof.&quot;</div></div>The has never been one shred of proof presented, not one!

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who said anything that you reintroduce these &quot;same arguments?&quot; Who? Where?</div></div>No I said that I never said you did.
The same old arguments and reintroduced over and over again. So I continue to ask for proof! </div></div>

Mi tyad now Tuffy, mi think mi seh mi piece...no sweat...::

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The quote about insanity is very clear, the answer lies in the statement...Since you are so wise Tuff Gong and others are so wrong, don't diminish your intellectual superiority by asking rhetorical non-nonsensical questions of &quot;lame idiotic posters&quot;...for if you do, the joke will be on you.</div></div>I am not wise and you have not made any more sense than the first time. I ask you are you saying I am insane for asking questions to arguments that were posited with not a shred of evidence to prove the?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jamaica had no real foundation to speak of economic or otherwise, we were still beholden to &quot;great britain&quot;, </div></div>absolute nonsense! </div></div>

Response #2 to Tuff Gong..


....and you are entitled to your opine-ion </div></div>So we are all but to make baseless claims and to expect it will be accept without comment is Pollyannaish I think.

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is good about this 'ere your post, is the fact that you acknowledge that you &quot;ask the SAME QUESTIONS&quot;...REPEATEDLY ad infinitum...asking for proof...</div></div>Of course if the same dishonest arguments are being made, with the same words and inflections used, why should I change the questions?
I will continue and see if I can wangle some answers. </div></div>

But since NO proof that suits you is forthcoming, then give your proofs...or let it fly.. we talk about the same sinting since Johnny was a bwouy and now him ole and grey and wi deh pan di same tappick, flagging di dead horse day in and day out...

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is so funny...response #3

The name of the documentary is &quot;Life and Debt&quot;..,I find it so funny that you would barefacedly claim that &quot;they attempted to make a case against the IMF&quot; Are you serious? Are you for real? **chukkle** What is the IMF that it is not worth making a case against it...and please don't throw this thread off on any more tangents by rushing to lecture me on the IMF eidah..</div></div>Well the IMF did nothing to Jamaica. As I pointed out before even a 10-old child in Jamaica knew what the IMF was long before we entered into an agreement with them.

The PNP under Menlie claimed it would never enter into any agreement with the IMF then walked right into the arms of the IMF. There no way anyone overstanding that could blame the IMF for making conditions to get their money forward, especially from a country where the Leader frittered away the wealth of the country on foolish escapades.

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The quote about insanity is very clear, the answer lies in the statement...Since you are so wise Tuff Gong and others are so wrong, don't diminish your intellectual superiority by asking rhetorical non-nonsensical questions of &quot;lame idiotic posters&quot;...for if you do, the joke will be on you.</div></div>I am not wise and you have not made any more sense than the first time. I ask you are you saying I am insane for asking questions to arguments that were posited with not a shred of evidence to prove the? </div></div>

I would never call you insane, unless it is as a joke, and even then I wouldn't for you noh mek joke too tuff aawn yah...and secondly I don't know you...It is like a gambler going to the casino, day after day after day after day and losing, but keeps going back thinking he will &quot;win&quot; [when even if he &quot;wins&quot; he'll just recoup his losses...well is like these discussions, we keep harping on the same ole same ole topics expecting a different result from posters who are set in their die-hard opinions...that is insanity!! Ludicrous!! Silly!! Non-sense!! should I go on?

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But since NO proof that suits you is forthcoming, then give your proofs...or let it fly....</div></div>
No the same baseless arguments continue to be made so there is absolutely no reason not to try to get the answers.

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is so funny...response #3

The name of the documentary is &quot;Life and Debt&quot;..,I find it so funny that you would barefacedly claim that &quot;they attempted to make a case against the IMF&quot; Are you serious? Are you for real? **chukkle** What is the IMF that it is not worth making a case against it...and please don't throw this thread off on any more tangents by rushing to lecture me on the IMF eidah..</div></div>Well the IMF did nothing to Jamaica. As I pointed out before even a 10-old child in Jamaica knew what the IMF was long before we entered into an agreement with them.

The PNP under Menlie claimed it would never enter into any agreement with the IMF then walked right into the arms of the IMF. There no way anyone overstanding that could blame the IMF for making conditions to get their money forward, especially from a country where the Leader frittered away the wealth of the country on foolish escapades. </div></div>

But if I remember Life and Debt clearly...a whole heap a sinting deh pan mi mind...it also showed the UNFAIR TRADE between Jamaica and the US set by the US.. where we were forced TO BUY THEIR JUNK FOOD, while we poured milk MILKKKKKKKK...down the drains...that is wikkid !! That among other things..

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...It is like a gambler going to the casino, day after day after day after day and losing, but keeps going back thinking he will &quot;win&quot; [when even if he &quot;wins&quot; he'll just recoup his losses...well is like these discussions, we keep harping on the same ole same ole topics expecting a different result from posters who are set in their die-hard opinions...that is insanity!! Ludicrous!! Silly!! Non-sense!! should I go on? </div></div>Actually I am not trying to win anything I am trying to get answers on arguments, which are irrational, baseless and plain, dishonest.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But if I remember Life and Debt clearly...a whole heap a sinting deh pan mi mind...it also showed the UNFAIR TRADE between Jamaica and the US set by the US.. where we were forced TO BUY THEIR JUNK FOOD, while we poured milk MILKKKKKKKK...down the drains...that is wikkid !! That among other things.. </div></div>That was a dishonest characterization. Everyone in the USA knows that the Farm Lobby is very strong in fact the same lobby caused USA Farmers to dump milk as well, only difference is they are guaranteed certain sales.

The agreement we made with the IMF call for markets to be opened but as it was proven years ago most of the agreement between lending agencies and the GOJ was badly negotiated by the PNP and they gave up positions that the agreement did not even call for.

Since the documentary was made from the standpoint of the corrupt actors how would we know what agreement affected what?
Why didn't they give the milk to Trench Town where the kids needed it?
Why was a PNP Government causing farmers to dump milk?

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
More rhetorical questions Tuff Gong? LOL...&quot;why their security forces are not as corrupt and abusive as ours?&quot;</div></div>It was not rhetorical and it certainly was not the only question I asked do you care to give an opinion on the others??

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...but here it comes?

If we had such a strong foundation, why is the country in the economic and SOCIAL bind that it is today?

Our friend Mr. Thompson hinted at &quot;Imperialism&quot; just as Castro has been saying...maybe they are on to something that *I* don't know about.. </div></div>LOL so even when you don't know what they are hinting at you rather accept the words of the ones who armed Jamaicans against Jamaicans and failed to build on what you are admitting was a strong foundation? </div></div>

response #5..

You should be astute enough to discern satire....and understand what you read..Point out to the board where I am admitting that there &quot;was a strong foundation&quot;...Prove it Tuff Gong,<span style="font-weight: bold"> PROVE IT !!</span> Show it to the board...a think yuh engine running out of steam...yuh not following the argument too tuff.

As you so love to remark...&quot;don't put words in * my* mouth..SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. </div></div>ok so we didn't have a sound foundation. Well why did we have zero balance of payment problems coming out of the 1972 Elections, An economy which was rated as one of the fastest in growing in the world, a very low crime rate, good roads, good banking system, good public transport and other institutions and all that changed in less than 8 years?

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But if I remember Life and Debt clearly...a whole heap a sinting deh pan mi mind...it also showed the UNFAIR TRADE between Jamaica and the US set by the US.. where we were forced TO BUY THEIR JUNK FOOD, while we poured milk MILKKKKKKKK...down the drains...that is wikkid !! That among other things.. </div></div>That was a dishonest characterization. Everyone in the USA knows that the Farm Lobby is very strong in fact the same lobby caused USA Farmers to dump milk as well, only difference is they are guaranteed certain sales.

The agreement we made with the IMF call for markets to be opened but as it was proven years ago most of the agreement between lending agencies and the GOJ was badly negotiated by the PNP and they gave up positions that the agreement did not even call for.

Since the documentary was made from the standpoint of the corrupt actors how would we know what agreement affected what?
Why didn't they give the milk to Trench Town where the kids needed it?
Why was a PNP Government causing farmers to dump milk? </div></div>

Laawd, TG, a wha di PNP cuddah duh yuh soh?


Can you just lay off them for a moment? For ppl aggiuh think your views are NOT objective, but rather subjective and that will discredit your words...

I personally cannot provide any information as to what went on &quot;behind the scenes&quot; and take everything still with a grain of salt...if that was &quot;acting&quot; [no yuh didn't seh dat]...if that was &quot;acting&quot;/posing for the cameras, then that was dishonesty?


I ask the same question why the milk was not distributed to the &quot;poor&quot; and was told that that would affect milk prices from abroad, since ppl would have no need to by wha dem cyaan get freee..

..and yuh will note that we are going off on another tangent...

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Laawd, TG, a wha di PNP cuddah duh yuh soh?]</div></div>Yes this generally follows as well, no surprises!

There are only two viable Political Parties in Jamaica when one is in Government the other is in Opposition.
I am a PNP supporter. I have never been a supporter of the JLP as a Party. I am also a Jamaican.

The PNP has spent 25 years compared to the JLP 8 years in Government since 1972 the period of our greatest demise.
A window was opened in the 80s and we saw the changes. The PNP has been by far the most destructive element in the Jamaica since Independence, I don't know if there is any dispute.