jamaica paradise island?

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

...but here it comes?

If we had such a strong foundation, why is the country in the economic and SOCIAL bind that it is today?

Our friend Mr. Thompson hinted at &quot;Imperialism&quot; just as Castro has been saying...maybe they are on to something that *I* don't know about.. </div></div>LOL so even when you don't know what they are hinting at you rather accept the words of the ones who armed Jamaicans against Jamaicans and failed to build on what you are admitting was a strong foundation? </div></div>

response #5..

You should be astute enough to discern satire....and understand what you read..Point out to the board where I am admitting that there &quot;was a strong foundation&quot;...Prove it Tuff Gong,<span style="font-weight: bold"> PROVE IT !!</span> Show it to the board...a think yuh engine running out of steam...yuh not following the argument too tuff.

As you so love to remark...&quot;don't put words in * my* mouth..SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. </div></div>ok so we didn't have a sound foundation. Well why did we have zero balance of payment problems coming out of the 1972 Elections, An economy which was rated as one of the fastest in growing in the world, a very low crime rate, good roads, good banking system, good public transport and other institutions and all that changed in less than 8 years?

Not until you show where I said we had a strong foundation...:: Don't sidestep mi question and mi asking for Proof...where's the Proof?

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read up on the CIA's involvement in destabilizing countries...</div></div>LOL so we go to proximity rule.
If the CIA was destabilizing countries it must have destabilized Jamaica. Menlie himself asked about this said there was evidence that the USA played any roles in the destabilization of Jamaica and I agree with him.

After all it was not the CIA that:

Gave a 15 times convicted man a gun which directly led to the State of Emergency when the aforesaid Menlie caused his political enemies to be locked up and tortured.

It was not the CIA, that started the Eventide fire, the Orange Lane fire, Gold Street massacre, the Green Bay killings, the Rema evictions, the Payne Avenue evictions and many other acts of terror against the Jamaican people.

It was not the CIA that chased out the Jamaicans out of their homes and businesses and exhorts them to catch one of the five flights per day out of Jamaica.

If you will show proof tell us what the CIA did to destabilize Jamaica. </div></div>Show proof that anybody give 15 times convicted prisoner gun which directly led to the State of emergency? </div></div>

A how mi did miss this?

Point to where I stated that the CIA destabilized Jamaica !! Where's the proof that I said that TuffGong?


Now you don't want to supply proof in answer to Dudd's questions, but you keep asking others for proof?

But si yah...ah joke yuh a joke or what...look like seh yuh a romp and nat serious...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Show proof that anybody give 15 times convicted prisoner gun which directly led to the State of emergency?</div></div><span style="font-weight: bold">
Actually I don't have to since I am using it to counter arguments that are continually posted without any proof...</span>

How logical. I REST MY CASE !!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you just lay off them for a moment? For ppl aggiuh think your views are NOT objective, but rather subjective and that will discredit your words... </div></div>I thought we discussing a period and not JLP vs. PNP? But you are right, my views are not objective, there are subjective. They are based on the arguments posted here and the lack of evidence to back up those positions.

As to what persons think, remember I did not start this post. You can look as far as two years back to find one post dealing with Jamaican Politics that I was responsible for starting.
As I have explained, yes I am asking the very same questions, yes UI hold the very same positions, they have not be shaken sop why abandon them?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read up on the CIA's involvement in destabilizing countries</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A how mi did miss this?

Point to where I stated that the CIA destabilized Jamaica !! Where's the proof that I said that TuffGong?</div></div>

Okay so you did not say the CIA destabilized Jamaica I had incorrectly assumed you meant the CIA destabilized Jamaica because of the first quote above.
Good we can put that to rest, the CIA played no role in the destabilization of Jamaica.

[britisha]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you just lay off them for a moment? For ppl aggiuh think your views are NOT objective, but rather subjective and that will discredit your words... </div></div>I thought we discussing a period and not JLP vs. PNP? But you are right, my views are not objective, there are subjective. They are based on the arguments posted here and the lack of evidence to back up those positions.

As to what persons think, remember I did not start this post. You can look as far as two years back to find one post dealing with Jamaican Politics that I was responsible for starting.
As I have explained, yes I am asking the very same questions, yes UI hold the very same positions, they have not be shaken sop why abandon them? </div></div>

I think I've talked out my soul case here in this ere foo foo chred started by Bluegiant who is MIA from his thread.. I have made my opinions known, and seeing that this could drag on indefinitely like the story without an end...I'll let you have the last word..

Carry aawn...::

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think I've talked out my soul case here in this ere foo foo chred started by Bluegiant who is MIA from his thread.. I have made my opinions known, and seeing that this could drag on indefinitely like the story without an end...I'll let you have the last word..

Carry aawn...:: </div></div>I don't need the last word I want to see proof when these idiot positoons are taken.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually I don't have to since I am using it to counter arguments that are continually posted without any proof...[/b]

How logical. I REST MY CASE !! </div></div>
Well if the posters rendering those arguments refuse to provide one shred of evidence to back up their arguments, why should I live by a separate standard?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not until you show where I said we had a strong foundation...:: Don't sidestep mi question and mi asking for Proof...where's the Proof?</div></div>I have not I have accepted that you did not say that, however you quoted the sound foundation phrase and made some other argument.

I am suggesting that we did have a sound foundation and that the ones who were making suggestions <span style="font-style: italic">(which you quoted)</span> are the culprits in the whole game as they had control over the economy during the period in question.

[Panajar]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

As elsewhere in the West Indies, Jamaica is a land with a continuous memory of slavery and slavish abasement. The deeper I ventured into the island, the more it seemed an insidious <span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;shadism&quot; has ensured that a minority of white (or near-white: what Jamaicans call &quot;local white&quot inhabitants still control the plantations and other industries</span>. Jamaica's oldest sugar estate, Worthy Park, was founded in 1670, and is still in operation. One day I went there for lunch. A sound of cocktail-making – a clinking of crushed ice against glass – <span style="font-weight: bold">greeted my arrival as bow-tied waiters hurried to whisk away flies from our plates. The elite of Jamaica's sugar industry was enjoying fine French wine and chilled soursop juice. They ate well – steak, lobster mayonnaise – and the food was served with a plantation-bred obsequiousness. Many of the guests turned out to be related; all were white. </span>


VERY INTERESTING . 2009 AND THIS STILL A GWAAN.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The elite of Jamaica's sugar industry was enjoying fine French wine and chilled soursop juice. They ate well – steak, lobster mayonnaise – and the food was served with a plantation-bred obsequiousness. Many of the guests turned out to be related; all were white. [/b]


VERY INTERESTING . 2009 AND THIS STILL A GWAAN. </div></div>
It is very difficult to refute/deny/question what you have posted because I really don't know what you are alleging, So let me ask you this:

Are you saying these Estate Elite stole their loot??

Is there any evidence that this scene is not replicated in an all black household nearby in Jamaica?

Do you know these guys/girls?

Are they Jamaicans?

The Worthy Park sugar Estate is consitently rated as #1 in Jamaica, are you against persons enjoying their wealth in whatever manner they choose?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As elsewhere in the West Indies, Jamaica is a land with a continuous memory of slavery and slavish abasement.</div></div> I don't know that, I know a lot of Jamaicans try to claim the slave masters are still in charge, but I don't know one Jamaican who has ever been a slave or know anyone who has ever been.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: jamaica paradise island?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The deeper I ventured into the island, the more it seemed an insidious [b]&quot;shadism&quot; has ensured that a minority of white (or near-white: what Jamaicans call &quot;local white&quot inhabitants still control the plantations and other industries[/b</div></div>

No, a lot of Plantations are owned by Jamaicans, some are owned by foreigners. The Motto of Jamaica is Out Of Many One People.

We have already been through 25 years of the attempted racial/ethnic cleansing of Jamaica it did not work.
If all we have tried to do to the Jamaican Minorities only caused the country more polarization and left them in more control then that should serve as clearest example that this strategy is self defeating and limiting.
It is better to live closer to our Motto:

Out Of Many One People!