Should all the QUACKS who

[britisha]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i believe HIPAA and doctor-patient privilege only formally applies if you are actually the treating physician. i think he was speaking more from a personal perspective of a friend (albeit one with credible medical knowledge) concerned for someone he cared about. not sure how nice it is to be talkin MJ's business, but then again the man spoke the truth as he knows it out of concern, not out of gossip - so...... i dunno

just my own guess though

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">good point about the &quot;initiating and the perpetuating..&quot; There are thousands of people out there who are addicted to &quot;prescribed medications' all started by lazy and incompetent doctors who really want to take the easy way out [esp if the patient has good insurance] and mask symptoms instead of either treating the patient, </div></div>

right. his focus is healing the actual underlying issues, thru holistic means (as opposed to just chemically medicating symptoms), so people can get <span style="font-weight: bold">off</span> chemical drugs. so it makes sense he would speak out against quacks. </div></div>

See your point, but he DID say that MJ told him that he is &quot;having pain&quot; and requested a prescription. It could be argued that by the mere fact that he recommended something other than what he requested, a 'contract was established between them&quot; one that would/could be bound by HIPPA...In all fairness, mi wuddn't all talk seh MJ was taking Oxycontin...how did he know that? MJ dead an cannot defen anniting him seh...why squeal on him?

All he had to do is to say that the knows what he knows and when the time is ripe, give damming evidence to put away the criminal pushers in disguise.


..and den again, mebbie he was trying to show how MJ was vulnerable to any and every pusher that came along with the prescription pad.

[applepie]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=sistacaf]

He made one good point about the &quot;initiating and the perpetuating..&quot; <span style="font-weight: bold">There are thousands of people out there who are addicted to &quot;prescribed medications' all started by lazy and incompetent doctors who really want to take the easy way out [esp if the patient has good insurance] and mask symptoms instead of either treating the patient, or making referrals in cases that are beyond their scope of practice.</span>

Thank you sistacaf. </div></div>


I think it is a 50% blame on doctors and 50% on the individual........cause the some of these people have more than one doctors and what they do is rotate who to get presciption from and some of these meds can be bought on the street like oxycotin.

[sistacaf]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

yep and yep i hear u both

(applepie that was actually britsha's quote though not mine)(credit where due etc etc etc )

[britisha]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: applepie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I think it is a 50% blame on doctors and 50% on the individual........cause the some of these people have more than one doctors and what they do is rotate who to get presciption from and some of these meds can be bought on the street like oxycotin. </div></div>

You are making an excellent point about the individual's role in this. However, you must remember that if a patient consults a physician for a condition, a patient who never took any drug other than an Aspirn, and the doctor prescribes a narcotic especially where it is NOT indicated, he is starting the ball for trouble rolling.

Some people are more susceptible to addiction than others, and even if they are not, the nature of the drugs can start an addiction, as you well know.


Those who rotate from doctor to doctor, are those who are NOW addicted, and most likely LOVE the feeling, and maybe what the original &quot;prescriber&quot; is prescribing is NOT enough to satisfy the crave, so he/she has to seek other means of dealing with the addiction rather than seeking adequate therapy...ie getting off the drug, etc.

Buying drugs like Oxycontin on the street is another mess resulting from over prescribing....There are so-called doctors/QUACKS who open shop simply for illegally prescribing these drugs which they know the &quot;patient&quot; is going to sell [like illegal guns from gun shops] to other addicts.

Some of them get featured in the newspapers here from time to time, applepie.

[britisha]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yep and yep i hear u both

(applepie that was actually britsha's quote though not mine)(credit where due etc etc etc ) </div></div>

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[sistacaf]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

britisha u do know they threw the book at Elvis's doctor &amp; took weh his medical license, right?

[britisha]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">britisha u do know they threw the book at Elvis's doctor &amp; took weh his medical license, right?
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Thanks for this info Sistacaf.


I wanted to do a google and find out what happened in that case. The same for Anna Nicole Smith.


As far as *I* am concerened he should've been tried for Pressley's death...murder/manslaughter, teva...when they see that the Just-ice system will be severe in their &quot;treatment&quot; they will cease and desist...afterall they &quot;caused&quot; the death of these people, people with demons, but who &quot;trusted&quot; them even if they knew that they consulted them for illegal stuff.

The &quot;doctor&quot; is the one who should have a clear head, stable enough, and able to make rational decision[s] to safeguard the well-being of the &quot;patient&quot;...but NO!!

They gamble with unfortunate peeps lives, because agen, they are vulnerable and might not &quot;talk&quot; and squeal on them...as I said some of them are derelict even worse than the patients; and need big time help as well.

[applepie]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: applepie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I think it is a 50% blame on doctors and 50% on the individual........cause the some of these people have more than one doctors and what they do is rotate who to get presciption from and some of these meds can be bought on the street like oxycotin. </div></div>

You are making an excellent point about the individual's role in this. However, you must remember that if a patient consults a physician for a condition, a patient who never took any drug other than an Aspirn, and the doctor prescribes a narcotic especially where it is NOT indicated, he is starting the ball for trouble rolling.

Some people are more susceptible to addiction than others, and even if they are not, the nature of the drugs can start an addiction, as you well know.


Those who rotate from doctor to doctor, are those who are NOW addicted, and most likely LOVE the feeling, and maybe what the original &quot;prescriber&quot; is prescribing is NOT enough to satisfy the crave, so he/she has to seek other means of dealing with the addiction rather than seeking adequate therapy...ie getting off the drug, etc.

Buying drugs like Oxycontin on the street is another mess resulting from over prescribing....There are so-called doctors/QUACKS who open shop simply for illegally prescribing these drugs which they know the &quot;patient&quot; is going to sell [like illegal guns from gun shops] to other addicts.

Some of them get featured in the newspapers here from time to time, applepie. </div></div>

I do agree with you that you have those doctors that just dispense meds like candy, but FDA not doing a job of monitoring the amount of narcotics presciption written by some of these doctors............doctors have DEA numbers on each pad that they write out on and the pharmacy usually notify the office if there is high activity in dispensing........of course a lot of mess fall through the cracks as usually.........when the average blowjoe gets a backsurgery or hip surgery and is given demerol IV immediately after surgery to cope with the pain and then morphine to ease it off then maybe darvocet to be taken every 2 to 4 hours at home it not usually follow the prescribe way to take it will become an addict.

[sistacaf]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

ok sorry i wasn't 'quite' right about that, eh-

George C. Nichopolous

<span style="font-style: italic">In 1980, he was indicted on 14 counts of overprescribing drugs to Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis, as well as twelve other patients. The district-attorney ruled out murder charges because of the conflicting medical opinions about the cause of Presley's death. In 1977 alone, Nichopoulos had prescribed over 10,000 doses [1] of amphetamines, barbiturates, narcotics, tranquilizers, sleeping pills, laxatives, and hormones for Presley. Dr. Nichopoulos claimed he had tried in vain to reduce Elvis' dependency, even going so far as to manufacture one thousand placebos for Elvis[1], but to no avail. The jury concluded that he had tried to act in the best interests of his patients. He was acquitted on all counts.

Also in 1980, the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners found him guilty of overprescription, but decided that he was not unethical. They imposed three months' suspension of his license and three years' probation.

In 1995 Nichopoulos had his license permanently suspended by the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners, after it was revealed that he had been overprescribing to numerous patients for years. </span>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Nichopoulos

[britisha]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<span style="font-weight: bold">doctors have DEA numbers on each pad that they write out on and the pharmacy usually notify the office if there is high activity in dispensing..</span>

Bravo Applepie


There it is!!


Key word &quot;usually&quot;...Usually the pharmacies are in collusion with the &quot;doctors,&quot; this is why it is a growing problem, and one that might miss the scrutiny of the FDA...


This is why I said &quot;Welcome to fill in the blanks&quot; and have a nice day...if they had socialized medicine, this would NOT have been that easy, if at all...There would have been a better way of checks and balances, so to speak.

In the meantime lives are being lost, under the pretext of medical care, criminal quacks are roaming the streets, free to cause more deaths. How can anyone who calls him/self a &quot;physician&quot; engage in such behaviour, dem mussie mad tuh.

[sistacaf]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

this the part i cannot get:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> found him guilty of overprescription, <span style="font-style: italic">but decided that he was not unethical.</span> </div></div>

but wat d L? how is that <span style="font-style: italic">NOT</span> &quot;unethical&quot;???

[Emperah]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">over prescribe &quot;medications&quot; for any patient be held on murder/manslaughter charges if that person dies from the drug abuse?

Especially if the prescription is feeding an addiction to drugs rather than treating the condition?


Whazzup with these bastards? They must be quite a few out there, for after the death of Ana Nicole Smith and that guy who posthumously won the Oscar last year met the same fate, we see where it is still happening.

If mi haff time, mi wi &quot;google&quot; the Lit., and si wha mi find, but it is a known FACT, that there are m any out there, who they &quot;catch&quot; from time to time selling prescriptions for that sole reason...feeding the habit. </div></div>

I wish we could a held de doktah fi manslawtah fi wah him gi mi sistah, at least i wish i could a legally hold him an beat him.

I was dj'n dis big even full a nurse an doktah an him show up an mi did honestly feel fi guh buck him up inna de bachroom

[britisha]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok sorry i wasn't 'quite' right about that, eh-

George C. Nichopolous

<span style="font-style: italic">In 1980, he was indicted on 14 counts of overprescribing drugs to Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis, as well as twelve other patients. The district-attorney ruled out murder charges because of the conflicting medical opinions about the cause of Presley's death. In 1977 alone, Nichopoulos had prescribed over 10,000 doses [1] of amphetamines, barbiturates, narcotics, tranquilizers, sleeping pills, laxatives, and hormones for Presley. Dr. Nichopoulos claimed he had tried in vain to reduce Elvis' dependency, even going so far as to manufacture one thousand placebos for Elvis[1], but to no avail. The jury concluded that he had tried to act in the best interests of his patients. He was acquitted on all counts.

Also in 1980, the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners found him guilty of overprescription, but decided that he was not unethical. They imposed three months' suspension of his license and three years' probation.

In 1995 Nichopoulos had his license permanently suspended by the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners, after it was revealed that he had been overprescribing to numerous patients for years. </span>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Nichopoulos </div></div>

Seh wha??

I hope the family filed a multi-million law suit against that bazztard..


He got off scot free, and the oddas are seeing this and feel assured that IF they are &quot;caught&quot; the treatment will be just as light or even lighter..if he was the average homeless street pusher that sold bad stuff like rat poison that caused the death of another homeless addict, he would have been given life or the chair...but the wheels of just-ice...so fitting an &quot;acro&quot;..grinds slowly or NOT at all..

Now, another ICON...Michael Jackson has succumbed to the Malady, perpetrated by the very ones who are supposed to treat it and most of all PREVENT IT....what IRONY !!

Well, mebbie Deepak can start something going.


Now as for Presley, his daughter married MJ.

She had to have known/heard about the trauma and demons surrounding Elvis Presley's life, and try to help MJ from undergoing same...even if dem divorced. Seemingly MJ had this problem for some while...why didn't she help him, or like di ress a dem shi was in denial?

Mi luv all a dem, but wid dem saawt a monie, dem shuddah smattah dan dat...

[britisha]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this the part i cannot get:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> found him guilty of overprescription, <span style="font-style: italic">but decided that he was not unethical.</span> </div></div>

but wat d L? how is that <span style="font-style: italic">NOT</span> &quot;unethical&quot;??? </div></div>

Indeed, such BS is unfathomable.

[sistacaf]

Re: Should all the QUACKS who

no miss aintchu been watchin CNN? dem have it all over; she sayin she &amp; MJ used to talk about the very thing when they were married, that he was afraid him would go just like she fadda, says she tried to make a dent in that thinking but he wouldn't have it. (just repeating what Lisa Marie said, not my own opinions there)