Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

[britisha]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;One of the best insights we have into Jackson’s emotional life is a television interview he did with Oprah Winfrey in 1993. He admitted then to being a perfectionist and added, “I’m never pleased with myself. No, I try not to look in the mirror.”</div></div>

Has anyone stopped to think that MJ could've been upset and worried about seeing his image change before his eyes beyond his control? ie what the vitiligo was doing to his appearance?

There are cancer victims on chemo with hair loss who are NOT pleased with how they look either and resultantly will be afraid to look in the mirror...they don't want to see what is looking back at then...and they compensate with wigs, toupees and the whole nine yards.

Even if they put the word &quot;perfectionist&quot; in the same sentence with his appearance, it doesn't NECESSARILY mean that that is what he meant...re his appearance...writers can twist one word in a sentence to create a whole range of different meanings.. and if that is what MJ meant, so what?

He had his nose done over 150 times I heard, [in fact it seems that the whole family had their nose done]

So what?

A lot of this has to do with the culture of showbiz...they were always in the limelight...also remember that MJ allegedly was under the influence of &quot;prescribed&quot; drugs most of the time, the sad truth...so his thought process could have been altered...but as Rev Al said, whatever MJ did he did it to the max...he did it his way...he pleased HIMSELF...it matters NOT what &quot;they&quot; say...Now will &quot;they leave him alone&quot; as Marlon requested?

[quote]..from the same interview <span style="font-weight: bold">In fact, during the same interview with Oprah, Jackson stated emphatically: “I’m a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am.”</span>

A total denial of the quote above...

[jah_yout]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">it's not that he wanted to distance himself from blacks or being black...
but it is very obvious he didn't want to LOOK black or have any BLACK CHILDREN</span> </div></div>
From the essay:
&quot;Unless we take sufficient time to develop an understanding and empathy for his story, it’s easy to make simplistic claims or assumptions about why he wanted to change his appearance.&quot; </div></div>

yeah; &amp; i believe his claim of having only 1 or 2 surgeries

it was because he had breathing issues...funny how we can rationalize almost anything...
if elvis had been a black-skinned dreadlock/afro man at his death i wonder if we would have also rationalized his reeasons for that as being totally non-racial

aye sah

[Amberal37]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...Why?

Because if he hated his body, he was hating a black man’s body. If he hated his father, he was hating a black man. Race ran through it all; we cannot and should not dismiss its effect.

Does that mean we should take the alterations he made to his appearance as evidence that he hated being black?

Not necessarily.

Apart from the changes to his physical appearance, there is little compelling evidence that Michael Jackson tried to distance himself from the African-American community.

From Wesley Snipes in “Bad” to Eddie Murphy and Iman in “Remember the Time,” Jackson consistently featured black actors and models in his music videos. He also collaborated frequently with black producers such as Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, and Rodney Jerkins, as well as with black recording artists such as Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, and R. Kelly.

And unlike some other celebrities who express unease with racial or ethnic labels, there was never a parcel of equivocation when he talked about his racial identity.

In fact, during the same interview with Oprah, Jackson stated emphatically: “I’m a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am.”

So was Michael Jackson a unique contradiction in terms? Is it possible to be filled with racial pride and self-loathing at the same time?

Of course it is. Race is a complicated thing.

My mother, for instance, is a fiercely nationalistic Chinese woman, to the point of near-bigotry. She rarely misses an opportunity to throw a spotlight on the supposed superiority of Chinese culture and often claims that the Chinese people were inventing gunpowder, paper money, and printing presses at a time when Europeans were still living in caves.

Yet as a teenager, this same woman collected photos of Caucasian babies and longed to have white children. She eventually married a European man and went on to have three biracial daughters — including me.

Like Jackson, my mother suffered verbal and physical abuse from her father — a compulsive gambler who once pawned the wedding ring he gave his own wife to pay off his debts.

Of course, not all racial self-hatred can be traced back to an abusive childhood. Each of our individual histories and the histories of our ancestors act in concert to shape who we become and what we value. And when personal histories are complex (as most are), they often result in a racial identity that is equally complex and sometimes even contradictory.

A rush to judgment accusing Michael Jackson of being a race traitor is unfair to the complexity of his life. Unless we take sufficient time to develop an understanding and empathy for his story, it’s easy to make simplistic claims or assumptions about why he wanted to change his appearance.

From what I have been able to discover, Michael was not trying to erase his race; he was trying to get comfortable with his face. He wanted, as we all do, to love the man in the mirror. Why he never did, we’ll never know... </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it's not that he wanted to distance himself from blacks or being black...
but it is very obvious he didn't want to LOOK black or have any BLACK CHILDREN </div></div>

Another contentious issue...!

I would argue that MJ's thought process in regards to his race was no different to the majority of black people on this planet (who are of African origin)
His only crime was that he hung it all out for the world to see - in &quot;Black and White&quot;
Let's see;

a) How many of us admire another black person's &quot;fairer&quot; complexion, and think that they are prettier/more handsome - just because they have lighter skin.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for they comments they have made in the past to verify this)

b) Marry /have babies with someone who is lighter because didn't want your child to be too dark/too black.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

c) Praise someone for having a handsome face, JUST BECAUSE their nose is smaller/straighter than a typical black nose.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

d) how many of us admire the person who does not have very frizzy hair &quot;nappy&quot;/or might be feeling grateful that yours' isn't as &quot;nappy&quot; can comb through and grow 'tall' meaning that you have GOOD hair. (yes JYth you can link it to the straight hair business - I'm not saying that you didn't have a point, just saying that we have &quot;bigger fish to fry&quot; so to speak.)
e) Made statements of someone being &quot;black and ugly&quot;/too black and ugly for you.

MJ eliminated ALL of that in one fell swoop. He bought white children, of course he will be judged for being so blatant in his expression of these things, but most of us want to get there - just much more subtly...

So YEAH, I see where he's coming from, from the face of this I'm reluctant to criticise this in him, I used to hear these black people EVERYDAY - cooing about a person's hair, 'fair'skin, straight nose, nice (read 'light') eyes, are they sick?
I reserve my judgement there too, because I have seen in many ways how it starts...

[Blackstar*]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MJ eliminated ALL of that in one fell swoop. He bought white children, of course he will be judged for being so blatant in his expression of these things, but most of us want to get there - <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">just much more subtly</span>... </div></div>With more subtlety because they have less money.

[jah_yout]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...Why?

Because if he hated his body, he was hating a black man’s body. If he hated his father, he was hating a black man. Race ran through it all; we cannot and should not dismiss its effect.

Does that mean we should take the alterations he made to his appearance as evidence that he hated being black?

Not necessarily.

Apart from the changes to his physical appearance, there is little compelling evidence that Michael Jackson tried to distance himself from the African-American community.

From Wesley Snipes in “Bad” to Eddie Murphy and Iman in “Remember the Time,” Jackson consistently featured black actors and models in his music videos. He also collaborated frequently with black producers such as Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, and Rodney Jerkins, as well as with black recording artists such as Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, and R. Kelly.

And unlike some other celebrities who express unease with racial or ethnic labels, there was never a parcel of equivocation when he talked about his racial identity.

In fact, during the same interview with Oprah, Jackson stated emphatically: “I’m a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am.”

So was Michael Jackson a unique contradiction in terms? Is it possible to be filled with racial pride and self-loathing at the same time?

Of course it is. Race is a complicated thing.

My mother, for instance, is a fiercely nationalistic Chinese woman, to the point of near-bigotry. She rarely misses an opportunity to throw a spotlight on the supposed superiority of Chinese culture and often claims that the Chinese people were inventing gunpowder, paper money, and printing presses at a time when Europeans were still living in caves.

Yet as a teenager, this same woman collected photos of Caucasian babies and longed to have white children. She eventually married a European man and went on to have three biracial daughters — including me.

Like Jackson, my mother suffered verbal and physical abuse from her father — a compulsive gambler who once pawned the wedding ring he gave his own wife to pay off his debts.

Of course, not all racial self-hatred can be traced back to an abusive childhood. Each of our individual histories and the histories of our ancestors act in concert to shape who we become and what we value. And when personal histories are complex (as most are), they often result in a racial identity that is equally complex and sometimes even contradictory.

A rush to judgment accusing Michael Jackson of being a race traitor is unfair to the complexity of his life. Unless we take sufficient time to develop an understanding and empathy for his story, it’s easy to make simplistic claims or assumptions about why he wanted to change his appearance.

From what I have been able to discover, Michael was not trying to erase his race; he was trying to get comfortable with his face. He wanted, as we all do, to love the man in the mirror. Why he never did, we’ll never know... </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it's not that he wanted to distance himself from blacks or being black...
but it is very obvious he didn't want to LOOK black or have any BLACK CHILDREN </div></div>

Another contentious issue...!

I would argue that MJ's thought process in regards to his race was no different to the majority of black people on this planet (who are of African origin)
His only crime was that he hung it all out for the world to see - in &quot;Black and White&quot;
Let's see;

a) How many of us admire another black person's &quot;fairer&quot; complexion, and think that they are prettier/more handsome - just because they have lighter skin.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for they comments they have made in the past to verify this)

b) Marry /have babies with someone who is lighter because didn't want your child to be too dark/too black.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

c) Praise someone for having a handsome face, JUST BECAUSE their nose is smaller/straighter than a typical black nose.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

d) how many of us admire the person who does not have very frizzy hair &quot;nappy&quot;/or might be feeling grateful that yours' isn't as &quot;nappy&quot; can comb through and grow 'tall' meaning that you have GOOD hair. (yes JYth you can link it to the straight hair business - I'm not saying that you didn't have a point, just saying that we have &quot;bigger fish to fry&quot; so to speak.)
e) Made statements of someone being &quot;black and ugly&quot;/too black and ugly for you.

MJ eliminated ALL of that in one fell swoop. He bought white children, of course he will be judged for being so blatant in his expression of these things, but most of us want to get there - just much more subtly...

So YEAH, I see where he's coming from, from the face of this I'm reluctant to criticise this in him, I used to hear these black people EVERYDAY - cooing about a person's hair, 'fair'skin, straight nose, nice (read 'light') eyes, are they sick?
I reserve my judgement there too, because I have seen in many ways how it starts...
</div></div>

i dunno;

i can't agree with you here;

even if someone wanted to have a lighter baby, they still input THEIR genes...

he wanted no parts of anything black whatsoever in his children as evidenced by not 1 or 2 but 3 with absolutely no african genes;

i really can't sit here and honestly say that most black people feel this way...
sure there are quite a few with the self-hate syndrome, but i don't think most black people are closet michael jacksons who would become TOTALLY white in appearance &amp; trade away their black children for white ones if they could

[Emperah]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

How do we not know that since the man has gone through a process of lightening his skin to the stage it has been in that it must have changed his genetic make up even to the point of weakening his sperm and body structure. Through this whole stage the possibility of the apple dat fall from de tree nuh di deh too far.

[Serenity82]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it's not that he wanted to distance himself from blacks or being black...
but it is very obvious he didn't want to LOOK black or have any BLACK CHILDREN </div></div>

Extremely Obvious!!

In terms of the blacks in his videos, celebrities often are not in charge of their videos, instead their producers are.

[Serenity82]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...Why?

Because if he hated his body, he was hating a black man’s body. If he hated his father, he was hating a black man. Race ran through it all; we cannot and should not dismiss its effect.

Does that mean we should take the alterations he made to his appearance as evidence that he hated being black?

Not necessarily.

Apart from the changes to his physical appearance, there is little compelling evidence that Michael Jackson tried to distance himself from the African-American community.

From Wesley Snipes in “Bad” to Eddie Murphy and Iman in “Remember the Time,” Jackson consistently featured black actors and models in his music videos. He also collaborated frequently with black producers such as Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, and Rodney Jerkins, as well as with black recording artists such as Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, and R. Kelly.

And unlike some other celebrities who express unease with racial or ethnic labels, there was never a parcel of equivocation when he talked about his racial identity.

In fact, during the same interview with Oprah, Jackson stated emphatically: “I’m a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am.”

So was Michael Jackson a unique contradiction in terms? Is it possible to be filled with racial pride and self-loathing at the same time?

Of course it is. Race is a complicated thing.

My mother, for instance, is a fiercely nationalistic Chinese woman, to the point of near-bigotry. She rarely misses an opportunity to throw a spotlight on the supposed superiority of Chinese culture and often claims that the Chinese people were inventing gunpowder, paper money, and printing presses at a time when Europeans were still living in caves.

Yet as a teenager, this same woman collected photos of Caucasian babies and longed to have white children. She eventually married a European man and went on to have three biracial daughters — including me.

Like Jackson, my mother suffered verbal and physical abuse from her father — a compulsive gambler who once pawned the wedding ring he gave his own wife to pay off his debts.

Of course, not all racial self-hatred can be traced back to an abusive childhood. Each of our individual histories and the histories of our ancestors act in concert to shape who we become and what we value. And when personal histories are complex (as most are), they often result in a racial identity that is equally complex and sometimes even contradictory.

A rush to judgment accusing Michael Jackson of being a race traitor is unfair to the complexity of his life. Unless we take sufficient time to develop an understanding and empathy for his story, it’s easy to make simplistic claims or assumptions about why he wanted to change his appearance.

From what I have been able to discover, Michael was not trying to erase his race; he was trying to get comfortable with his face. He wanted, as we all do, to love the man in the mirror. Why he never did, we’ll never know... </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it's not that he wanted to distance himself from blacks or being black...
but it is very obvious he didn't want to LOOK black or have any BLACK CHILDREN </div></div>

Another contentious issue...!

I would argue that MJ's thought process in regards to his race was no different to the majority of black people on this planet (who are of African origin)
His only crime was that he hung it all out for the world to see - in &quot;Black and White&quot;
Let's see;

a) How many of us admire another black person's &quot;fairer&quot; complexion, and think that they are prettier/more handsome - just because they have lighter skin.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for they comments they have made in the past to verify this)

b) Marry /have babies with someone who is lighter because didn't want your child to be too dark/too black.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

c) Praise someone for having a handsome face, JUST BECAUSE their nose is smaller/straighter than a typical black nose.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

d) how many of us admire the person who does not have very frizzy hair &quot;nappy&quot;/or might be feeling grateful that yours' isn't as &quot;nappy&quot; can comb through and grow 'tall' meaning that you have GOOD hair. (yes JYth you can link it to the straight hair business - I'm not saying that you didn't have a point, just saying that we have &quot;bigger fish to fry&quot; so to speak.)
e) Made statements of someone being &quot;black and ugly&quot;/too black and ugly for you.

MJ eliminated ALL of that in one fell swoop. He bought white children, of course he will be judged for being so blatant in his expression of these things, but most of us want to get there - just much more subtly...

So YEAH, I see where he's coming from, from the face of this I'm reluctant to criticise this in him, I used to hear these black people EVERYDAY - cooing about a person's hair, 'fair'skin, straight nose, nice (read 'light') eyes, are they sick?
I reserve my judgement there too, because I have seen in many ways how it starts...
</div></div>

i dunno;

i can't agree with you here;

even if someone wanted to have a lighter baby, they still input THEIR genes...

he wanted no parts of anything black whatsoever in his children as evidenced by not 1 or 2 but 3 with absolutely no african genes;

i really can't sit here and honestly say that most black people feel this way...
sure there are quite a few with the self-hate syndrome, but i don't think most black people are closet michael jacksons who would become TOTALLY white in appearance &amp; trade away their black children for white ones if they could </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">What gets me is that he was loved by people everywhere and women loved him, how could he <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> dislike how he looked?</span>

[halfwaytree]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Serenity82</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">What gets me is that he was loved by people everywhere and women loved him, how could he <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> dislike how he looked?</span> </div></div>

There is a psychological disorder which causes even what most would people would consider attractive people to think that they are repulsive in appearance. After Oprah interviewed MJ she was convinced that he suffered from such a thing.

[Boopie2]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Serenity82</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: amberal37</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...Why?

Because if he hated his body, he was hating a black man’s body. If he hated his father, he was hating a black man. Race ran through it all; we cannot and should not dismiss its effect.

Does that mean we should take the alterations he made to his appearance as evidence that he hated being black?

Not necessarily.

Apart from the changes to his physical appearance, there is little compelling evidence that Michael Jackson tried to distance himself from the African-American community.

From Wesley Snipes in “Bad” to Eddie Murphy and Iman in “Remember the Time,” Jackson consistently featured black actors and models in his music videos. He also collaborated frequently with black producers such as Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, and Rodney Jerkins, as well as with black recording artists such as Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, and R. Kelly.

And unlike some other celebrities who express unease with racial or ethnic labels, there was never a parcel of equivocation when he talked about his racial identity.

In fact, during the same interview with Oprah, Jackson stated emphatically: “I’m a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am.”

So was Michael Jackson a unique contradiction in terms? Is it possible to be filled with racial pride and self-loathing at the same time?

Of course it is. Race is a complicated thing.

My mother, for instance, is a fiercely nationalistic Chinese woman, to the point of near-bigotry. She rarely misses an opportunity to throw a spotlight on the supposed superiority of Chinese culture and often claims that the Chinese people were inventing gunpowder, paper money, and printing presses at a time when Europeans were still living in caves.

Yet as a teenager, this same woman collected photos of Caucasian babies and longed to have white children. She eventually married a European man and went on to have three biracial daughters — including me.

Like Jackson, my mother suffered verbal and physical abuse from her father — a compulsive gambler who once pawned the wedding ring he gave his own wife to pay off his debts.

Of course, not all racial self-hatred can be traced back to an abusive childhood. Each of our individual histories and the histories of our ancestors act in concert to shape who we become and what we value. And when personal histories are complex (as most are), they often result in a racial identity that is equally complex and sometimes even contradictory.

A rush to judgment accusing Michael Jackson of being a race traitor is unfair to the complexity of his life. Unless we take sufficient time to develop an understanding and empathy for his story, it’s easy to make simplistic claims or assumptions about why he wanted to change his appearance.

From what I have been able to discover, Michael was not trying to erase his race; he was trying to get comfortable with his face. He wanted, as we all do, to love the man in the mirror. Why he never did, we’ll never know... </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it's not that he wanted to distance himself from blacks or being black...
but it is very obvious he didn't want to LOOK black or have any BLACK CHILDREN </div></div>

Another contentious issue...!

I would argue that MJ's thought process in regards to his race was no different to the majority of black people on this planet (who are of African origin)
His only crime was that he hung it all out for the world to see - in &quot;Black and White&quot;
Let's see;

a) How many of us admire another black person's &quot;fairer&quot; complexion, and think that they are prettier/more handsome - just because they have lighter skin.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for they comments they have made in the past to verify this)

b) Marry /have babies with someone who is lighter because didn't want your child to be too dark/too black.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

c) Praise someone for having a handsome face, JUST BECAUSE their nose is smaller/straighter than a typical black nose.
(Even if YOU don't personally, count your friends, relatives, associates for the comments they have made in the past to verify this)

d) how many of us admire the person who does not have very frizzy hair &quot;nappy&quot;/or might be feeling grateful that yours' isn't as &quot;nappy&quot; can comb through and grow 'tall' meaning that you have GOOD hair. (yes JYth you can link it to the straight hair business - I'm not saying that you didn't have a point, just saying that we have &quot;bigger fish to fry&quot; so to speak.)
e) Made statements of someone being &quot;black and ugly&quot;/too black and ugly for you.

MJ eliminated ALL of that in one fell swoop. He bought white children, of course he will be judged for being so blatant in his expression of these things, but most of us want to get there - just much more subtly...

So YEAH, I see where he's coming from, from the face of this I'm reluctant to criticise this in him, I used to hear these black people EVERYDAY - cooing about a person's hair, 'fair'skin, straight nose, nice (read 'light') eyes, are they sick?
I reserve my judgement there too, because I have seen in many ways how it starts...
</div></div>

i dunno;

i can't agree with you here;

even if someone wanted to have a lighter baby, they still input THEIR genes...

he wanted no parts of anything black whatsoever in his children as evidenced by not 1 or 2 but 3 with absolutely no african genes;

i really can't sit here and honestly say that most black people feel this way...
sure there are quite a few with the self-hate syndrome, but i don't think most black people are closet michael jacksons who would become TOTALLY white in appearance &amp; trade away their black children for white ones if they could </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">What gets me is that he was loved by people everywhere and women loved him, how could he <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> dislike how he looked?</span> </div></div>



Example A

[andronian2]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

Hmm hmmm...tank God seh mi no have money!

The sad thing about MJ is that he was not ugly at all but managed to achieve that by all the butchery on his face.
He must have had a disorder to believe that he was improving himself by what he was doing.
Then again, maybe he was always dissatisfied with the results that's why he kept having surgeries.

Before and After:

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/michael-jackson-plastic-surgery.jpg

[Suesumba]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do we not know that since the man has gone through a process of lightening his skin to the stage it has been in that <span style="font-weight: bold">it must have changed his genetic </span>make up even to the point of weakening his sperm and body structure. </div></div>

yes. i just bleached out my hair blonde. i'm now scandanavian.

[uswe]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do we not know that since the man has gone through a process of lightening his skin to the stage it has been in that <span style="font-weight: bold">it must have changed his genetic </span>make up even to the point of weakening his sperm and body structure. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">yes. i just bleached out my hair blonde. i'm now scandanavian.</span> </div></div>



Can one bleach ones whole body to the extent where one virtually become white? Do such products/procedures exist?

[Andrewnaqi]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

was not micheal jackson exhibit A?

[Boopie2]

Re: Quincy Jones on MJ: He Didn't Want To Be Black

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do we not know that since the man has gone through a process of lightening his skin to the stage it has been in that <span style="font-weight: bold">it must have changed his genetic </span>make up even to the point of weakening his sperm and body structure. </div></div>

yes. i just bleached out my hair blonde. i'm now scandanavian. </div></div>