derek

[jah_yout]

i kinda have to go with you on the upstate new york guys that were arrested & charged with trying to blow up some sites recently;
i read a village voice piece on the informant they used to basically lure and entrap several people over a perid of time- the fbi basically fishing for 'terrorists';
this guy is one despicable character...i will post the article later when i have time...

[Derek]

Re: derek

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i kinda have to go with you on the upstate new york guys that were arrested &amp; charged with trying to blow up some sites recently;
i read a village voice piece on the informant they used to basically lure and entrap several people over a perid of time- the fbi basically fishing for 'terrorists';
this guy is one despicable character...i will post the article later when i have time... </div></div>

Yes please!
Now London's police are sending people to Pakistan for torture! The police, not MI5!

[Derek]

Re: derek

And these 'suicide bombers' in Iraq...

This lorry driver said he was arrested, held and released after a few hours, but told he had to visit a certain place to do some formal paperwork.

While driving away, he noticed his lorry's load was heavier than he expected.

He stopped, checked and found some explosives had been placed on his vehicle. No doubt to be detonated by remote control.

[jah_yout]

Re: derek

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last month, police and the FBI arrested four Newburgh men on charges that they had plotted to bomb synagogues in the Riverdale neighborhood of the Bronx and fire a missile at a military jet.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly held press conferences at the synagogues to reassure New Yorkers about their safety. During Kelly's remarks, it was startling to hear the commissioner refer to al-Qaeda by name, if only to say that the four purported home-grown terrorists had no ties to Osama Bin Laden's organization.

As more details emerged, however, the less the four defendants sounded like men with the skills to plan a sophisticated terror plot. They were small-time crooks, felons with long criminal records whose previous activities revolved around smoking marijuana and playing video games. One defendant, Laguerre Payen, was arrested in a crack house surrounded by bottles of his own urine; his lawyer describes him as &quot;mildly retarded.&quot;

It seemed fairly astounding that, for a full calendar year, such a group could remain interested in and plan anything more complex than a backyard barbecue, let alone a multipronged paramilitary assault, as the indictment against them alleged.

But what the indictment didn't say, and what the initial news reports didn't fill in, was the extent to which the fifth man in the plot, an unnamed FBI informant, had provided the glue to hold the Newburgh 4 together.

<span style="font-weight: bold">That informant was a Pakistani man named Shahed Hussain, code-named &quot;Malik,&quot; who agreed to work for the FBI to obtain leniency after he was arrested in 2002 for fraud.</span>
Over a period of about a year, Malik met with defendants James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams, and Payen while under FBI surveillance. Cromitie allegedly said he was upset about U.S. forces killing people in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He talked about being willing to die as a martyr, and threatened to &quot;do something to America.&quot;

The Newburgh bomb plot isn't the first of Malik's operations for the government. He played a similar role four years ago in an Albany case, in which he helped the FBI arrest a man named Mohammed Hossain, a cash-poor pizzeria owner, and his imam, Yassin Aref, after persuading them to launder $50,000 in a made-up plot to bring a missile to the U.S. and assassinate the Pakistani prime minister.

<span style="font-weight: bold">In both cases, Malik did not stumble upon active terror cells plotting to bring destruction on American soil. Instead, in both Newburgh and Albany, he needed long periods of time to recruit his Muslim contacts, spin elaborate tales about his terror contacts, and develop solid plans of action, all the while providing the defendants with large amounts of resources and cash incentives.</span>
Malik was so successful that in Riverdale, the Newburgh 4 planted what they believed were actual bombs at two synagogues. In Albany, the defendants were only involved in a cash transaction that, theoretically, was tied to the sale of a weapon.

<span style="font-weight: bold">But in each case, the question remains: Would either set of defendants have done anything remotely like plant bombs or launder money for terrorists if not for the prodding and plotting and encouragement of Malik and the FBI?</span></div></div>whole article here
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-07-08/n...ronx-bomb-plot/

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: derek

<span style="font-size: 11pt">You mean they did nit even think that it was agood idea to report the suggested plot to the authorities?
why did they not turn him in whe he came up with these dangerous plats?
If it was a real genuine plot, wou,d they stil go alongand bomb the place/
We need to rid ourselves of idiots like thes who can be tooks of psychotyocs that would do thse sort of things. It is not always the planners that make the act , but thoe used by them as tools.
</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last month, police and the FBI arrested four Newburgh men on charges that they had plotted to bomb synagogues in the Riverdale neighborhood of the Bronx and fire a missile at a military jet.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly held press conferences at the synagogues to reassure New Yorkers about their safety. During Kelly's remarks, it was startling to hear the commissioner refer to al-Qaeda by name, if only to say that the four purported home-grown terrorists had no ties to Osama Bin Laden's organization.

As more details emerged, however, the less the four defendants sounded like men with the skills to plan a sophisticated terror plot. They were small-time crooks, felons with long criminal records whose previous activities revolved around smoking marijuana and playing video games. One defendant, Laguerre Payen, was arrested in a crack house surrounded by bottles of his own urine; his lawyer describes him as &quot;mildly retarded.&quot;

It seemed fairly astounding that, for a full calendar year, such a group could remain interested in and plan anything more complex than a backyard barbecue, let alone a multipronged paramilitary assault, as the indictment against them alleged.

But what the indictment didn't say, and what the initial news reports didn't fill in, was the extent to which the fifth man in the plot, an unnamed FBI informant, had provided the glue to hold the Newburgh 4 together.

<span style="font-weight: bold">That informant was a Pakistani man named Shahed Hussain, code-named &quot;Malik,&quot; who agreed to work for the FBI to obtain leniency after he was arrested in 2002 for fraud.</span>
Over a period of about a year, Malik met with defendants James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams, and Payen while under FBI surveillance. Cromitie allegedly said he was upset about U.S. forces killing people in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He talked about being willing to die as a martyr, and threatened to &quot;do something to America.&quot;

The Newburgh bomb plot isn't the first of Malik's operations for the government. He played a similar role four years ago in an Albany case, in which he helped the FBI arrest a man named Mohammed Hossain, a cash-poor pizzeria owner, and his imam, Yassin Aref, after persuading them to launder $50,000 in a made-up plot to bring a missile to the U.S. and assassinate the Pakistani prime minister.

<span style="font-weight: bold">In both cases, Malik did not stumble upon active terror cells plotting to bring destruction on American soil. Instead, in both Newburgh and Albany, he needed long periods of time to recruit his Muslim contacts, spin elaborate tales about his terror contacts, and develop solid plans of action, all the while providing the defendants with large amounts of resources and cash incentives.</span>
Malik was so successful that in Riverdale, the Newburgh 4 planted what they believed were actual bombs at two synagogues. In Albany, the defendants were only involved in a cash transaction that, theoretically, was tied to the sale of a weapon.

<span style="font-weight: bold">But in each case, the question remains: Would either set of defendants have done anything remotely like plant bombs or launder money for terrorists if not for the prodding and plotting and encouragement of Malik and the FBI?</span></div></div>whole article here
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-07-08/n...ronx-bomb-plot/ </div></div>

[Derek]

Re: derek

Mohammed Atta, the man with the indestructible passport, played a similar role for the FBI leading up to 911 - recruiting and framing guys while furnishing them with money.

As I stated before, Amanda Keller, Atta's American, blonde, Christian, pizza restaurant manager girlfriend, who he lived with in Venice, Florida (near a flying school!) claimed he liked pork chops, partying, coke and heavy gold jewellery.

She thought he was into some secret Mafia business.

Anyway, Atta seems like a regular kinda guy to me - and her description of him is more believable (to me anyway) that his passport being found amid the burning rubble of the twin towers - and that he was an Islamic extremist.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: derek

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mohammed Atta, the man with the indestructible passport, played a similar role for the FBI leading up to 911 - recruiting and framing guys while furnishing them with money.

As I stated before, Amanda Keller, Atta's American, blonde, Christian, pizza restaurant manager girlfriend, who he lived with in Venice, Florida (near a flying school!) claimed he liked pork chops, partying, coke and heavy gold jewellery.

She thought he was into some secret Mafia business.

Anyway, Atta seems like a regular kinda guy to me - and her description of him is more believable (to me anyway) that his passport being found amid the burning rubble of the twin towers - and that he was an Islamic extremist.

</div></div>iF SOME CRIMINALLIKE HIM SHOULD COME TO YOU AND OFFER YOU THE SAME AS he did, would you go along withit?
If idiots were neevr as susseptable most of the terrorist activities would not hav e taken place.