Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i forgot who wrote (back in the 60's or 70's i think) that we are selling ourselves into a new kind of slavery with tourism; and it's really true </div></div>


Excellent point,all tourism does is to condition our people to be good servants and bootlickers!!!!! ...at the beck and call of foreigners ..While the few domestic puppet masters reap the majority of the benefits. </div></div> Everybody is aservant to others. iserve people sick people everyday. </div></div>

yea but you are in a position of power in that relationship;

the tourism thing keeps the people conditioned to serve their overlords...i mean all the ownership &amp; big people in these hotels &amp; tourist-catering spots are foreigners or jamaicans of elite j'can classes, while the bulk of the laborers are black common folk...
it is a vivid example of the class (&amp; color) divide &amp; the j'can gov'r lack of a backbone

Who have p[iwer ovr who?/ who is deoendent on who? who can put crap in who's food? Only a fool think they can overlord a oersonwho exyends servoce to them.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can never build a strong prosperous country, based on a service economy. </div></div>
Technically no but countries and territories such as the following depend on Service Industries to power their economies:

The USA
Singapore
Macau
Hong Kong
Bahamas
Bermuda
The Cayman Islands
Barbados
Liechtenstein
Antigua
Monaco

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i forgot who wrote (back in the 60's or 70's i think) that we are selling ourselves into a new kind of slavery with tourism; and it's really true </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Excellent point,all tourism does is to condition our people to be good &quot;servants&quot; and bootlickers!!!!! ...at the beck and call of foreigners ..While the few domestic puppet masters reap the majority of the benefits. These hotels look just like a plantation... white people laying around while the &quot;servants&quot; are all black. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Excellent point,all tourism does is to condition our people to be good servants and bootlickers!!!!! ...at the beck and call of foreigners ..While the few domestic puppet masters reap the majority of the benefits. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everybody is aservant to others. iserve people sick people everyday. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yea but you are in a position of power in that relationship;

the tourism thing keeps the people conditioned to serve their overlords...i mean all the ownership &amp; big people in these hotels &amp; tourist-catering spots are foreigners or jamaicans of elite j'can classes, while the bulk of the laborers are black common folk...
it is a vivid example of the class (&amp; color) divide &amp; the j'can gov'r lack of a backbone </div></div>

LOL...

Let me go out on a limb and say that you two hate Jamaica, hate Jamaicans and hate white folks right?
That both of you are convinced that only white folks or light skinned Jamaicans own hotels and attractions in Jamaica right?
That slavery is white folks sitting out in the sun with black serving them right?

Based on the facts as outlined above:
Would you rather the Government of Jamaica kill off tourism?
Would you want us to keep tourism but import white workers to work in the Tourism Sector?
Would you want Jamaica to ban white tourist in favour of black visitors only?
Would you want the GOJ to immediately seize all the properties and installations in the hands of whites and near whites?

If we were to do away with the slave labour, tourism madness how would you both propose that we make up the shortfall from the lack of revenue that tourism still bring to the Island?
What are you thoughts of vacationing, dining at restaurants and be entertained when you both vacation together.
For instance would you both walk out an establishment is the help is black?

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Why do you both hate Jamaica and Jamaicans so much?</span>

[jah_yout]

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aside from attributing a quote to me that i didn't write, i would ask how this implies that i hate jamaica/ns...

i could ask you the same thing from various posts...

yes tourism is necessary to the economy &amp; employs many people, but my contention is that the majority of the revenue from tourism is not going toward improving jamaica but being shipped abroad to benefit owners who have no real interest in the host country except profits &amp; market share...
i'm willing to listen to your presentation that it is the majority of the j'can population that benefits from tourist dollars and that our hyper-dependancy on tourism outweighs the damage it does to psyche, environment &amp; image of the country

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aside from attributing a quote to me that i didn't write, i would ask how this implies that i hate jamaica/ns...

i could ask you the same thing from various posts...</div></div>

You continually over about 4 or five years now have been attributing quotes to me that I did not write have claimed I hate Jamaicans, hate Menlie, hate blacks, helped to kill Jamaican Icons whatever.
But be that as it may I have quoted you faithfully I think.... but I might have been mistaken. Please tell I, what quote did I attribute to you that you did not write?

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Why do you hate Jamaica and Jamaicans so much?</span>

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">aside from attributing a quote to me that i didn't write, i would ask how this implies that i hate jamaica/ns...

i could ask you the same thing from various posts...</div></div>

You continually over about 4 or five years now have been attributing quotes to me that I did not write have claimed I hate Jamaicans, hate Menlie, hate blacks, helped to kill Jamaican Icons whatever.
But be that as it may I have quoted you faithfully I think.... but I might have been mistaken. Please tell I, what quote did I attribute to you that you did not write?

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Why do you hate Jamaica and Jamaicans so much?</span> </div></div>I other wirds you are playing tit for tat,even if thes is no supporting evidence for your point. well what can I say.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I other wirds you are playing tit for tat,even if thes is no supporting evidence for your point. well what can I say. </div></div>Yes I am playing tit for tat and yes I have offered supporting evidence in the abundance of posts from him that I quoted.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Can you tell me why does JY hate Jamaica and Jamaicans?</span>

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I other wirds you are playing tit for tat,even if thes is no supporting evidence for your point. well what can I say. </div></div>Yes I am playing tit for tat and yes I have offered supporting evidence in the abundance of posts from him that I quoted.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Can you tell me why does JY hate Jamaica and Jamaicans?</span> </div></div> I have no supporting evidence that he does.
how did you come to that conclusion?

[jah_yout]

Re: Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I other wirds you are playing tit for tat,even if thes is no supporting evidence for your point. well what can I say. </div></div>Yes I am playing tit for tat and yes I have offered supporting evidence in the abundance of posts from him that I quoted.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Can you tell me why does JY hate Jamaica and Jamaicans?</span> </div></div> I have no supporting evidence that he does.
how did you come to that conclusion? </div></div>

might be time for the padded room &amp; strait-jacket

[Amberal37]

Re: Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i forgot who wrote (back in the 60's or 70's i think) that we are selling ourselves into a new kind of slavery with tourism; and it's really true </div></div>


Excellent point,all tourism does is to condition our people to be good &quot;servants&quot; and bootlickers!!!!! ...at the beck and call of foreigners ..While the few domestic puppet masters reap the majority of the benefits. These hotels look just like a plantation... white people laying around while the &quot;servants&quot; are all black. </div></div>

Well just extending what is said above, tourism does NOT have to be the rod on our backs. In fact it is one of the means whereby reserves of valuable foreign currency is built up (you know - the stuff from the US ($) that China now owns a lot of - albeit through cheap manufacturing).
The point is each country playing on it's strengths in order to better themselves economically, and Jamaica has many strengths that people from other lands want to experience.

Personally speaking, I have stayed in a number of hotels over the years, and yes, a lot of foreigners (as you would expect in most hotels), but staff tend to be mixed of different types of Jamaicans as far as I saw.

The government does need to use the tourism trade to create more growth (for e.g. Spain's example), and use that to arm people with useful skills.
Once people start to gain other skills, then things can progress further from there.

It is a good thing that this particular chain is providing so many jobs, what needs to be ensured is that a high proportion those jobs are secure substainable employment (where there is employment rights, tolerable salary, and high severance compensation), at the minimum, taxes can be recouped by the government through employer taxes, this can provider a surer means of bringing tax income, than profits - which global corporations will always massage (downwards) for their benefit.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">might be time for the padded room &amp; strait-jacket </div></div>

I agree where do you want to be incarcerated?
Surely not in Americanized, foreign things loving, white tourist loving, Jamaican slave labour serving, Jamaica, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">am I correct</span>?

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Why do you hate Jamaica so much JY?</span>

[Panajar]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">]Would you want us to keep tourism but import white workers to work in the Tourism Sector?
Would you want Jamaica to ban white tourist in favour of black visitors only? </div></div>

The answer to both of your questions is<span style="font-weight: bold"> no</span>.How about building a country where more black Jamaicans can afford to visit these hotels and enjoy the the facilities that are there.i am sure you are aware that there was a time when blacks were not welcome at some of these hotels.Even today most of the advertising is geared towards Caucasians .
...Here is a article in the gleaner..u might find it interesting

<span style="font-weight: bold">Are black tourists welcome here?</span>

Published: Tuesday | March 10, 2009

The Editor, Sir:

While in the United States watching Barack Hussein Obama's inauguration, I saw an advertisement promoting one of Jamaica's major tourist chains.<span style="font-weight: bold"> It showed only non-black tourists with black individuals as 'servers' i.e. jelly cutters, waiters etc.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">My host, in bewilderment, asked if Jamaica genuinely welcomed black tourists. This type of advertisement is typical among major Jamaican tourist players, and is common in the print and electronic media.</span>

My host's comments embarrassed me, as this is a phenomenon which has remained unchanged throughout the years. <span style="font-weight: bold">It is no secret that in times past, black tourists were not welcome in some establishments, to the extent that even black hotel workers were hostile to black tourists.</span>

Important market

This is most regrettable, in that Jamaica is not taking advantage of a very important market. In the US alone, this market represents 39 million black individuals. Our tourist interests spend millions of dollars trying to attract tourists from Germany, China, Japan, the UK, France, etc. They, however, choose to ignore a ready and very important market segment in the USA. Why? I think most Jamaicans know the answer.

Black Americans who visited Jamaica, including Dr Martin Luther King Jr, have had a very favourable impression of us. Many feel more at home here than in their native land. This should be exploited to our advantage. At a time when the USA (the home of the KKK, Jim Crow and rednecks) can elect a non-white president, we find we are still living with colonial attitudes. Are they afraid that black tourists will impact negatively on their business? Our minister of tourism should actively explore the black tourist market in the US and elsewhere. When the entire world is in recession, every tourist to Jamaica should be welcomed.

I am, etc., LINK

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Jamaican tourism continues to hold strain

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would you want us to keep tourism but import white workers to work in the Tourism Sector?
Would you want Jamaica to ban white tourist in favour of black visitors only? </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The answer to both of your questions is<span style="font-weight: bold"> no</span>.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about building a country where more black Jamaicans can afford to visit these hotels and enjoy the the facilities that are there.</div></div>

I agree but do you know that we were wall on the way to doing that before 1972 and that before the 70s Tourism was just a boutique Industry in Jamaica and was in no way shape or form The Industry?

Do you know that before the 70s some of the many places that are now attractions for foreign visitors <span style="font-style: italic"> (black/white/pink)</span> were places where Jamaicans could escape to on the weekends and holidays? They may not have had restaurants and waiters to serve them but the beaches, rivers, hills and valleys were there free or inexpensive for their enjoyment?

You do realize don't you that no matter how low the cost is if the economy is reduced to its lowest productive capacity and crime prevents the free movement and interaction of citizens, the majority of Jamaicans will never be able to afford it and it is not the fault of the white tourists who takes advantage of the opportunities?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....i am sure you are aware that there was a time when blacks were not welcome at some of these hotels.</div></div>

No I am not aware that was the case. Are you saying it is the case now?
Apperantly not because you qualified it with this statement?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even today most of the advertising is geared towards Caucasians.</div></div>

I don't know what the ads look like and I have now way of knowing if the white only ads are the more prevalent. I have not seen them...I don't watch TV.
Even if that were the case I think is would be a good idea to talk to the Jamaica Tourist Board and the properties sponsoring those ads.

[Amberal37]

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You're right Panajar, there does appear to be a certain level of bias towards white tourists in many of the popular spots.

I have seen those adverts too, and they tend to marginalises the everday Jamaicans to serving - while not appreciating the fact that many who travel to Ja, want the people /culture experience more than if they were to visit any other country.

If they want inspiration - One example of such ads that use the population in the tourism ads are those for India.

It doesn't mean that tourism as an industry cannot help to remedy to economic woes that Ja faces, but the other issue me thinks - is to do with colour-struckness - which has a deeper root cause, but a start would be for the government to start pushing for these images to be at the forefront of marketing campaign (Minister for Information I think will deal with this).

[f0rTyLeGz]

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I wonder why &quot;...in times past, black tourists were not welcome in some establishments, to the extent that even black hotel workers were hostile to black tourists.&quot;?