Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

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Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

<span style="font-weight: bold">'I don't ask them what they do,</span>' says Zein Issa in deposition


Sunday, August 09, 2009

Answering questions in the Florida e-mail lawsuit filed by her father, John Issa, SuperClubs executive Zein Issa <span style="font-weight: bold">said a lot of government ministers go to the Hedonism hotels,</span> but added that she did not ask them if they went there to have sex.


SuperClubs executive Zein Issa

Issa, the vice-president for marketing at SuperClubs, was countering claims in the offensive e-mails that Hedonism promoted prostitution.

Issa was giving her deposition in the lawsuit filed by the SuperClubs chairman in the Circuit Court of the 11th Judicial Circuit in and for Miami-Dade County, alleging that he was defamed in e-mails originating on computers in Florida, United States. The deposition was taken on June 3, 2009, a transcript of which was recently obtained by the Sunday Observer.

Attorneys-at-law Gail McQuilkin of Kozyak Tropin &amp; Throckmorton and Reginald Clyne of Clyne and Associates represented the defendants.

McQuilkin asked Issa if it offended her if somebody expressed an opinion that what went on at Hedonism was immoral, to which she replied: &quot;No.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;It doesn't offend you?&quot;

Issa: &quot;No, people are entitled to opinions if they express it as an opinion.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;What does that mean, express it as an opinion?&quot;
Issa: &quot;If they say this is my opinion and I think it's immoral. It's when they start to lie that I have an issue.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;If it.can you.can it be implied that it's an opinion?&quot;

(Attorney Joe DeMaria representing Issa objected).
McQuilkin: &quot;For example, we were talking earlier about Paulette Robinson and Muna (Zein's twin sister) had said that she was expressing an opinion. She doesn't use the word opinion in her e-mails.&quot;

Issa: &quot;I think that when you make up stuff, it. it crosses the line. When you say. you know, you can look at this, as you said, and maybe imply that if I go there, you know, I'll have sex. That's different than saying when I go there I'm going to see a prostitute that I can hire that Hedonism has provided. There's a big difference between going to a hotel and going to a whorehouse. Whorehouses are illegal. Therefore I don't think that Jamaica Tourist Board or the Government would condone these hotels and, you know, come to them. And I can't divulge confidentiality, unless we're made to, but a lot of ministers of government come to Hedonism.&quot;

Clyne: &quot;To have sex?&quot;
Issa: &quot;I don't ask them what they do. I don't go with them.&quot;
DeMaria: &quot;Are you now doing your questions, Reggie? That's the only one that seemed to interest you so far.&quot;
Clyne: &quot;I'm dying to ask questions.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;Well, there's a lot of other people that talk about Hedonism on the Internet, correct?&quot;
Issa: &quot;Yes.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;And have you seen that some people do refer to prostitution or having.&quot;
Issa: &quot;I have never seen that.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;You have never seen that?&quot;
Issa: &quot;No.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;But somebody who read that with a guest saying, you know, I had this wonderful experience with, you know, a total stranger, who I believe was provided to me through the hotel, they could form that.&quot;

(DeMaria objected)
McQuilkin: &quot;They could form a belief that.
(DeMaria objected)
Issa: &quot;Are you saying that's on the Internet?&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;I'm asking you.&quot;
Issa: &quot;Sorry, ask.&quot;

DeMaria: &quot;If you're saying it's there, show it to her.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Well, people can. people form beliefs by what they read and see, correct?&quot;
Issa: &quot;Yes.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;So they.they.if they.if they're reading people have been to.to Hedonism, they express or they turn.or they.or they talk about it in terms of being a brothel maybe not in the.&quot;
(DeMaria objected)

McQuilkin: &quot;.dictionary version, but that's how they.&quot;
DeMaria: &quot;If you have a good faith basis to say it, you should show it to her.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;He can object to form, you still have to answer the question.&quot;
DeMaria: &quot;Yeah, answer the question. I'm not telling her not to answer.&quot;

Issa: &quot;Can you re-ask it because that was.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Let me ask, if somebody reads that.somebody on one of these. the non-Hedonism site writes and refers to it as like the world's best brothel, I had a great time, had a lot of sex, loved it, that a person reading that could form the same opinion?&quot;

(DeMaria objected)
McQuilkin: &quot;I mean brothel could be a slang term.&quot;

Issa: &quot;I've never known it to be used as a slang term and I don't think in these e-mails it was being used as a slang term.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Has Hedonism suffered any problems because an e-mail comes out and says you're running a brothel?&quot;
DeMaria: &quot;Just to be.&quot;

Issa: &quot;I don't know. We have not.&quot;
DeMaria: &quot;.Just to be clear, we're not making a claim.&quot;
Issa: &quot;Yeah.&quot;

DeMaria: &quot;.on behalf of the.&quot;
Issa: &quot;I'm going there.&quot;
DeMaria: &quot;.company.&quot;

<span style="font-style: italic">To be continued</span>

[evanovitch]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

i remember bak in eida '98 r '99 i went to Javid center in Manhattan to a sex exposition...weh all an sundry fi di sex industry come an show wat dem ha fi offah....I saw Hedoism wid a booth manned by a man wid locs...mi memba it cause mi said to mi significant odda seh is a bloody shame seh dem ha a locsman eena di midst of it ...of course mi was chatting in patois cause mi did feel seh is muss a farrina...lo an behold him ansa mi in patois an mek mi know seh him was yaadie....so i dont know how dem saying dat dem no cater fi sex if dem was dere wid a booth at a sex convention

[Peasie]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

Vannie, I doan know what di rakstone dis means without some kind of context. Give the source nuh. Cho.
Govt minister go to Hedonism to have sex. Don't everyone?

[evanovitch]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gungo Peas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vannie, I doan know what di rakstone dis means without some kind of context. Give the source nuh. Cho.
Govt minister go to Hedonism to have sex. Don't everyone? </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Issa was giving her deposition </span>in the lawsuit filed by the SuperClubs chairman in the Circuit Court of the 11th Judicial Circuit in and for Miami-Dade County, alleging that he was defamed in e-mails originating on computers in Florida, United States. The deposition was taken on June 3, 2009, <span style="font-weight: bold">a transcript of which was recently obtained by the Sunday Observer</span>.

[evanovitch]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

Answering questions in the Florida e-mail lawsuit filed by her father, John Issa, SuperClubs executive Zein Issa said a lot of government ministers go to the Hedonism hotels, but added that she did not ask them if they went there to have sex.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html..._HAVE_SEX__.asp

[Pepper]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

Transcript too long fi read....

But are they alledging that the ministers are using tax money to have sex, or that they are participating in prositution?

If no to both of these...who cares.

[Peasie]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Transcript too long fi read....

But are they alledging that the ministers are using tax money to have sex, or that they are participating in prositution?

If no to both of these...who cares. </div></div>

Exactly.

[evanovitch]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Whorehouses are illegal. Therefore I don't think that Jamaica Tourist Board or the Government would condone these hotels and, you know, come to them. And I can't divulge confidentiality, unless we're made to, but a lot of ministers of government come to Hedonism.&quot;
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the point di lady was mekking during har ?ing is dat di govament no condone prostitution an since nufff a dem come a di hotel it shows dat di hotel naw condone prostitution

howeva,since nuff know seh tings gwane a dat hotel i guess di writer juss caption di piece as he r she did pon di sly,...but di lady used dere patronage as proof as to di compliance of dem property wid laws of di land

[Peasie]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

Love your summary, Vannie

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

It is a private case for slander that Superclubs charge the other people with slander, because they send E/mail around the travel industry execs, accuseing Issa's of running a whore house wherr people can go and get full service prostitutiuon.

As usual thees cases usaully go far and wide and try to discredit eachother.
So that is how the government ministers, the cut price building the Issas got from the government and the use of the JDF elicopter and all other non essential inputs get involved.ty are trying to put Issa in trouble with the Jamaican side, but they don't understand that they are as powerful as any king in Jamaica. No government can do the anything.he can use whatever, <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Transcript too long fi read....

But are they alledging that the ministers are using tax money to have sex, or that they are participating in prositution?

If no to both of these...who cares. </div></div>

[Pepper]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Whorehouses are illegal. Therefore I don't think that Jamaica Tourist Board or the Government would condone these hotels and, you know, come to them. And I can't divulge confidentiality, unless we're made to, but a lot of ministers of government come to Hedonism.&quot;
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the point di lady was mekking during har ?ing is dat di govament no condone prostitution an since nufff a dem come a di hotel it shows dat di hotel naw condone prostitution

howeva,since nuff know seh tings gwane a dat hotel i guess di writer juss caption di piece as he r she did pon di sly,...but di lady used dere patronage as proof as to di compliance of dem property wid laws of di land </div></div>

I get you. But that would exclude these officials from nuff hotels inna JA. Dem just need fi come out and say dem nuh like the free sex attitude of the hotel.

[RichD]

Re: Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

but free sex is not the same as prostitution

[evanovitch]

John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'



Sunday, September 13, 2009

Answering questions in a lawsuit he initiated in a Florida court, SuperClubs boss John Issa agreed with the defendants' attorney that he objected to his son's marriage but strongly denied that it was because his son's bride was of Indian origin.


The hotelier also admitted that he was estranged from his son, Joey Issa, for several years because he did not think it was a suitable marriage.

Issa is maintaining that his reputation was damaged in defamatory e-mails originating in Florida, United States, hence his lawsuit in the Circuit Court of the 11th Judicial Circuit in and for Miami-Dade County. The hotelier's deposition and that of his daughter, Zein Issa, were taken late January and June this year respectively but the transcript of the proceedings was only recently obtained by the Sunday Observer.

Attorney Harley Tropin of the firm of Kozyak Tropin and Throckmorton, representing one of the defendants, noted that one of the things Issa had objected to about the e-mails was that he was being labelled a racist.

Tropin: &quot;Do you have a son?&quot;
Issa: &quot;Yes.&quot;

Tropin: &quot;To whom is he married?&quot; (Issa's lawyer interjects)
Tropin: &quot;Is he married?&quot;
Issa: &quot;He's married, yeah.&quot;
Tropin: &quot;What origin is his wife?&quot;
Issa: &quot;His wife is of Indian origin.&quot;

Tropin: &quot;Did you object?&quot; (Issa's lawyer interjects)
Issa: &quot;Object to what?&quot;
Tropin: &quot;The fact that your son was marrying a woman of Indian origin.&quot;

Issa: &quot;I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian.&quot;
Tropin: &quot;Did you stop speaking to him for a number of years after he married?&quot;
Issa: &quot;But not for those reasons.&quot;
Tropin: &quot;What reasons were those?&quot;
Issa: &quot;I didn't think it was a suitable marriage.&quot;
Tropin: &quot;Okay, why?&quot;

Issa: &quot;Because people who knew her told me - didn't think she was right for him, and secondly, both of them, while they were passionately in love to get married, he said, 'she can fool around if I fool around'. And they were supposedly passionately in love, and they were both supposedly going to take vows to be true to each other, while they were not living it. But it had nothing to do with her race. I have family members who are of, you know, various races.

Attorney Gail McQuilkin, who also appeared for the defendants, asked Zein Issa: &quot;Was there an issue when...with your family when your...your brother Joey decided to marry Asha?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Yes.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;What was the issue?&quot;
Zein: &quot;The issue was that they were both being unfaithful to each other right up until when they said...wanted to say married. They were not just one-night stands. In Joey's case, I know one was a one-year simultaneous relationship and my parents had issues with...with the cheating and figured that was not a healthy thing to lead into a marriage.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;Cheating by who, both?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Both.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Did you discuss this with them?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Yes. With Joey, yes.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Did you discuss it with Asha?&quot;
Zein: &quot;No.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Did your sister?&quot;
Zein: &quot;No.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Did anyone from your family?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Oh, wait, discuss what?&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;This issue that you have with them?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Yes...no. Can you ask the question again because I'm confused to what you've asked.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;I'm asking about the...the problem which you identified as being an unhealthy situation.&quot;
Zein: &quot;Yeah. Sorry, I said it to Asha.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;You said it to her?&quot;

Zein: &quot;Well, not in so many...in other words, we discussed did she know that Joey...we had a discussion about all Joey's, I don't know if you call it affairs or relationships or I can't call them extramarital because they weren't married, dealings with other women. I don't know what you call it.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;What about Asha?&quot;
Zein: &quot;I never discussed her...her outside relationships with her. I discussed it with Joey.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;And how did you learn that?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Their friends would tell us. None of their friends were supportive of the marriage either.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;They went ahead and got married anyway?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Yes.&quot;

McQuilkin: &quot;Did you go to the wedding?&quot;
Zein: &quot;No.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Why not?&quot;
Zein: &quot;I wasn't invited.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Was anyone from your family invited?&quot;
Zein: &quot;Uncles, aunts, cousins, if that's what you meant by family.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Was your father invited?&quot;

Zein: &quot;No.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Your sister?&quot;
Zein: &quot;No.&quot;
McQuilkin: &quot;Has anyone accused your father of being racist before this e-mail?&quot;

Zein: &quot;I'm not sure. I don't think so. I think there was...I think there was a feeling after, you know, it became public that my parents didn't obviously approve of it, that people thought it was because she was Indian. Because my parents weren't going to fight this thing in public, they remained very quiet and didn't want to really go and say...you know, talk to characters, they just didn't... you know, it was a private family matter. They've since reconciled. I think it's very common that a lot of families have a lot of issues with different things, some with marriages. This was a very personal thing and, you know, they've since reconciled and everything is okay now.&quot;

To be continued

[Gen]

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

suh what was the defamation about ? what reputation ?

[foolya]

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

Did he want Joey to marry into which race? Joey looks like an Indian so I don't understand.