Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

**Derek** · 09-13-2009, 11:05 AM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foolya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did he want <span style="font-weight: bold">Joey</span> to marry into which race?<span style="font-weight: bold"> Joey looks like an Indian</span> so I don't understand. </div></div>

Is this an episode from Friends?

**Dr.Dudd** · 09-13-2009, 12:10 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

You have to read the 4 or so previous installments to get the gist of this story. every one that has been posted always follow by the same question. Vanny, why don't you add this one to the rest. So that the readers can get the whole picture?
I started it, but everybody open new threads with each subsequent installment, which seem like new stories. Inste4ad of a continuing deposition of one story.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">suh what was the defamation about ? what reputation ? </div></div>

**Dr.Dudd** · 09-13-2009, 12:12 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

What you talking about?
Don't the Indians look like indians and they discriminate against each other?
What difference it ,ake that they look alike?
Is that always been essential to the reason for racism?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foolya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did he want Joey to marry into which race? Joey looks like an Indian so I don't understand. </div></div>

**foolya** · 09-13-2009, 12:16 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What you talking about?
Don't the Indians look like indians and they discriminate against each other?
What difference it ,ake that they look alike?
Is that always been essential to the reason for racism?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foolya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did he want Joey to marry into which race? Joey looks like an Indian so I don't understand. </div></div> </div></div>

Point well taken. Agree!

**evanovitch** · 09-13-2009, 04:13 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

Doc mi post n even if is juss u understand di connotation of said is fine wid mi dese days...mi post di odda parts of di trial before...everybody a yaad expert save mi it seems, so everybody should understand di underlying meaning of di line of testimony n questioning....missa issa a longtime yaadie n di colour line no seem to fork fi a couple centuries now...dont...so all who tink dem know yaad n di runnings need fi realise seh from di top to di bottom dese issues deh deh...

**Panajar** · 09-13-2009, 04:48 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doc mi post n even if is juss u understand di connotation of said is fine wid mi dese days...mi post di odda parts of di trial before...everybody a yaad expert save mi it seems, so everybody should understand di underlying meaning of di line of testimony n questioning....missa issa a longtime yaadie n di colour line no seem to fork fi a couple centuries now...dont...so all who tink dem know yaad n di runnings need fi realise seh from di top to di bottom dese issues deh deh... </div></div>

**Dr.Dudd** · 09-13-2009, 05:43 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

You know how yard go already. Most people never acknowledge what they see, to preserve their job. You know that people like Issas,have the power to starve out any Jamaicans they feel like. So nobody want to admit that they are racist even when it stare them in the face. They call it everything else, but racist. the is so much inbreeding in the upper echelon of Jamaican society, that it rival the Monarchs of the world. And you know that they all relate to each other by blood.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovich</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doc mi post n even if is just u understand di connotation of said is fine wid mi dese days...mi post di odda parts of di trial before...everybody a yaad expert save mi it seems, so everybody should understand di underlying meaning of di line of testimony n questioning....miss issa a longtime yaadie n di colour line no seem to fork fi a couple centuries now...dont...so all who tink dem know yaad n di runnings need fi realise she from di top to di bottom dese issues deh deh... </div></div>

**Dr.Dudd** · 09-27-2009, 05:06 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

Issa asked if relatives thought he had 'stabbed Uncle Abe in the back'

When did you stop beating your wife? Issa hits back

Sunday, September 27, 2009

CONTINUING his deposition in the Circuit Court of the 11th Judicial Circuit in and for Miami-Dade County, Florida, John Issa said he did not know if immediate family members thought he had "stabbed" his uncle, Abe Issa, in the back, when he created Village Resorts, owners of SuperClubs.

"Did you have a meeting with Abe Issa, Franklin Rantz and yourself and your brother Richard Issa, where he (Abe) told you he objected to the creation of Village." asked attorney Reginald Clyne of Clyne and Associates.

Issa responded: "No, he approved me going ahead with it. Otherwise, I couldn't have gone ahead with it and stayed with House of Issa."

"Did some members of his family - and I am talking about Abe Issa's immediate family - feel that you stabbed your uncle in the back?" Clyne pressed Issa, who replied:

" I don't know. None of them were involved in the business at the time. In fact, I used to tell my cousins, I said, 'I'm here working for your inheritance while you are doing your own thing outside'."

Issa, the chairman of SuperClubs, is pursuing a lawsuit he filed in the US, in which he is maintaining that his reputation was damaged in defamatory e-mails traced to computers originating in Florida. His follow-up deposition to one given in January was taken on September 9, 2009, and a copy of the transcript of the proceedings was just obtained by the Sunday Observer.

Clyne, who represents the defendants, asked Issa whether Rantz was in the meeting when there was a discussion about Village Resorts being formed with his uncle.

Issa: "I don't know if we discussed the name of the company in Uncle Abe's presence. That would have been 30-odd years ago."

Clyne: "And that hotel was subsequently renamed Hedonism?"
Issa: "Yes."

Clyne: "Okay. And at that time, you were leasing it from the government, correct?"
Issa: "Yes."
Clyne: "At some point, did you change the lease to a management contract?"

Issa: No. Well, at some point we changed the
lease to a 50 per cent ownership interest."
Clyne: "And did, eventually, you end up with 100 per cent ownership?"

Issa: "Yes. Our partner got into financial difficulty. He was a financial partner, and we ended up having to find the funds to buy out the financial partner who was supposed to provide funds."
Clyne: "Did Middle East Ventures provide the funds that you needed, the financing?"

Issa: "No. Middle East Ventures was a shareholder in the company at the time. I don't recall whether some may have been borrowed, some may have been retained earnings. It's a long time ago."
Later in the deposition, Clyne asked Issa to list his former business shareholders, joint-venture partners and leaseholders, that he had had litigation against.

Issa: "When the owner of Boscobel got into financial difficulties, we had."
Clyne: "If you could."
Issa: "I'm just. please. Please. I'm trying to recall. I can't give you a list. If you want me to think through all the cases, I have to describe it to myself to remember."

Clyne: "What I'm trying to get is."
Issa: "There was no litigation with Boscobel."
Clyne: "How about."

Issa: "We had arbitration with the owners of San Souci, which we managed, and we succeeded in the arbitration and got an award. They have been. appealing and what not and doing things. So, it's not final, but we have won along the way. I can't think of any others but."

Clyne: "How about the Parnells?"
Issa: "I have had no litigation with the Parnells."
Clyne: "You took over their property after they went into bankruptcy, didn't you?"
Issa: "No. No."

Clyne: "Anybody else that you have had litigation with that you have been in a business relationship."

Issa: "Do you accept that we didn't take over the."
Issa's lawyer, Joe DeMaria intervened: "Mr Issa, you don't ask questions. He does.
Clyne: "Anybody else that you have had litigation with or arbitrations with, Mr Issa?"

Issa: "To do with what?"
Clyne: "Your business operations."
Issa: "I can't remember all the accident lawsuits."
Clyne: "I'm not asking about accidents."

Issa's lawyer again intervenes: "Mr Issa, listen to his question. Listen to his question. Take your time. Mr Issa, listen to me first and then listen to his question. His question is specific. He asked about lawsuits with your business partners. He didn't ask about slip-and-fall lawsuits at your hotel, okay? Take your time. We are not in a hurry."
Issa: "I can't recall any others."

Clyne: "Is it over 20?"
Issa: "Huh."
Clyne: "Is it over
20 lawsuits?"

Issa: "No. I've told you two and I told you I can't recall any others.
Clyne: How about litigation with Von Strowly?"
Issa: "I've had no litigation with Strowly. I don't know Von Strowly. I have had no dealings with Von Strowly.
Clyne: "Did he ask the court to freeze your assets?"
Issa: "You know that is libelist."
Clyne: "What is libelist?"

Issa: "What you are saying in the question. I mean, you are.I mean that's. get your facts first before you make slanderous remarks."
Clyne: "You can't step away."
Issa: "I need some water."

DeMaria: "Mr Issa, relax. I will make a point here, Reggie. We, as lawyers, have to ask questions with a good-faith basis. I don't believe you have a good-faith basis for that question. Just because you have a document. you may want to read it more carefully. it has nothing to do with John Issa."
Clyne: "I'm just asking."

DeMaria: "No, you don't have."
Issa: "When did you stop beating your wife?"

DeMaria: "You don't have a right to ask questions that have no basis."

Issa: "No, you don't."
DeMaria: "Don't fight with him. That's my job. Your job is to answer questions."

To be continued

**neutral** · 09-27-2009, 07:10 PM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know how yard go already. Most people never acknowledge what they see, to preserve their job. You know that people like Issas,have the power to starve out any Jamaicans they feel like. So nobody want to admit that they are racist even when it stare them in the face. They call it everything else, but racist. the is so much inbreeding in the upper echelon of Jamaican society, that it rival the Monarchs of the world. And you know that they all relate to each other </div></div>

"Nobody wants to admit that they are racist even when it stares themm in the face"......does that only applies to people like mr issa and people of his ilk...?? because I dont believe the crap forever being trundled out that only those in power can be racist....,,because there are also poor white people who are racists,...what about poor black,or wealthy black people, that are racists,..why do they get a bly when they are racist as hell,..as is the case on this board.?

In any case,I dont see why all the continual jealousy and bile being leveled against the so-called "upper echelon" of jamaican society,could this all be racially motivated,the moneyed rich of jamaica,whether black white or purple,...has a right to an opinion as to who their relatives marry and bring into the family,and if they prefer someone from their own class,or colour then its bullcheet to describe it as "inbreeding",that they relate to each other in my opinion is a virtue,because most black people in jamaica definitely do not relate to each other,..and this board is a snapshot of that.

**Hugo** · 09-28-2009, 10:19 AM

Re: John Issa: 'I didn't object to my son marrying an Indian'

even the mullatos must have their say.

**evanovitch** · 10-18-2009, 04:39 AM

Court sees video of alleged drug use, sex at Hedonism

Court sees video of alleged drug use, sex at Hedonism

Issa says it could have been a 'set-up'

Sunday, October 18, 2009

SHOWN a video of drug use allegedly at his Hedonism Hotel, John Issa, the SuperClubs chairman, admitted "they probably are" but that he didn't know.
Issa was giving a follow-up deposition in the Circuit Court of the 11th Judicial Circuit in and for Miami-Dade County, Florida, in pursuance of a lawsuit he filed in the US, claiming that he was defamed by e-mails traced to computers originating in that US state.

Attorney Reginald Clyne of Clyne and Associates, representing the defendants in the lawsuit, presented the video in his attempt to establish that there were drug use and prostitutes at the hotel. He then asked Issa:

ISSA... I can't identify it

"Do you know whether people are using drugs at your hotel?" To this Issa replied: "I don't know, but they probably are."

Clyne: "Do you know whether your staff is facilitating that?"

Issa: "I should hope not. We have caught security guards who are a contract service when we have put in our traps, and I know we have fired a water-sports man recently. was caught in our trap. I wouldn't swear to that at all. We have a wonderful staff, but, you know, you put a group of two, three hundred people together, you're bound to have a few bad eggs."

Clyne: "And if your staff saw people, like in that Washington Post article, that they were smoking pot in the pool area, they should put a stop to that?"
Issa's attorney, Joe DeMaria objected.

Issa: "If that article is correct. You haven't established that."
Clyne: "I can establish that you have drugs and prostitutes in your hotel. Do you want to see?"
Issa: "It's up to."

Clyne: "We have some video. Would you play it back?"
DeMaria: "Do you have copies of this?"
Clyne: "We will make it for you."
Issa: "What is the source of the video?"

Clyne: "Different sources."
Issa: "This is like an article with no name."
DeMaria: "It is like a case with no name on it. It is just allegations. Let them do what they want."

Clyne: "I want (you) to be able to see it."
Issa: "I can't see it."
Clyne: "Is it travel log?"
DeMaria: "You want to ask him?"
Issa: "Who was the publisher?"

DeMaria: "He is going to ask you questions."
Clyne: "Do you recognise this as your hotel?"
Issa: "Yes."
Clyne: "Which hotel is that?"
Issa: "Hedonism III."

DeMaria: "Are you saying we are going to see money exchanged for sex here? Are you really saying that? It would be one hell of a travel log."
Clyne: "This is done by one of your guests."
Issa: "I don't know if it's been set up."

Clyne: "An anonymous guest who appeared in this."
Issa: "I'm not interested in seeing it without knowing the author."
DeMaria: "John. John. John."
Clyne: "Here (is) Hedonism III. The real Hedonism III. Do you recognise that bar?"

Issa: "Yes."
Clyne: "That's your hotel bar?"
Issa: "Yes."
Clyne: "Do you recognise the pool?"
Issa: "Yes."

Clyne: "That's your hotel pool?"
Issa: "Uh-huh."
Clyne: "That is one of your workers?"
Issa: "Yeah."
Clyne: "We have a couple having open sex. Do you see that?"
Issa: "Yes."

Clyne: "During the day in the film from one of the hotel rooms. Do you recognise the room as one of yours?"
Issa: "No."
Clyne: "Do you recognise that as your hotel?"
Issa: "Yes."

Clyne: "You see that couple having sex right by the pool?"
Issa: "I can't see that."
Clyne: "Let me pause it for you. See them right there? She is going up and down, sitting on the man's penis."
Issa: "I can't see. It's very blurred."

Clyne: "You see one of your staff walking by? She just walked by."
Issa: "I saw a head go by."
Clyne: "You recognise that lady? She works for you."
Issa: "I don't recognise it."

Clyne: "She walked by as they were having sex and did nothing about it."
Zein Nakash (Issa's daughter): "I can't see it."
DeMaria: "I can't see that, Reggie."

Issa: "You see somebody walking by. I can't see."
Clyne: "We will have somebody testify about that, people having sex in the hot tub, all right?"
DeMaria: "You have a date? When did that happen?"

Clyne: "Just wanted to see if he could recognise it."
DeMaria: "I'd like to know if you ran out there as part of one of your post lawsuits trying to get evidence to support your defamation. We will find out."
Clyne: "I have pre and post."

Turning to alleged drug use at the hotel, Clyne indicated in the video: "They are buying drugs right there on your deck. Do you see that, the Hedonism sign right there?" Issa replied: "I see somebody."

DeMaria: "John, that's all right. John, he wants us to assume that a drug dealer is going on TV to show that he is a drug dealer. We will wait for the drug dealer to show up and testify."

Again pointing to the video, Clyne said: "There's cocaine being sold on your property."
Issa: "I can't identify it."
DeMaria: "I see a table."

Clyne: "You see the lines of white powder on the table?"
DeMaria: "I see white powder on the table."

Clyne: "You see the little dollar bill rolled up for the drugs?"
DeMaria: "I see the table. I see no authentication of when it is, who did it. I hope you weren't involved in doing this, Reggie, because you ain't the DEA (US Drug Enforcement Agency). You don't have protection for doing drug deals."

Clyne: "I didn't do them."
DeMaria: "I hope nobody under your control did it because you can't create drug deals to try to defend your case."

Clyne: "Sir, with all due respect, I got the name of the DEA agent and I will be happy to give it to him."

DeMaria: "We are going to find out where all that came from and we will report it to the Jamaican authorities. We will find out who was involved."
Issa: "If this is all in Jamaica, it's a felony to witness a felony and not report it to the police."

DeMaria: "It is here (US) too."

Clyne: "You guys are all worried about the felonies being committed by undercover surveillance, but you don't seem to be concerned about the fact that there's drugs being sold openly in your hotel."
To be continued

**Marilyn** · 10-18-2009, 06:29 AM

Re: Court sees video of alleged drug use, sex at Hedonism

<span style="font-size: 14pt"> Running down activities at Hedo??? That's like swatting mosquitos after breeding them on purpose</span>

X · 10-18-2009, 10:07 AM

Re: Court sees video of alleged drug use, sex at Hedonism

is this a joke???

Sex at Hedonism making news. ???!
what is this case about ?(sorry i wasnt followin)

The name of the place is "HEDONISM" for crying out loud

you can just video google the "hedonism" and tonnes of sexual videos pop up.
Everyone and their uncle knows for decades now that Hedo is a popular destination for the "sexually adventurous". Its an open secret that its a romping ground for lifestylers and nudist.. so for somone to use a video of people having sex in open in a court case agains hedo seems .. well .. weird..

Balloon boy saga, now this..
Sometimes I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone..

**foolya** · 10-18-2009, 10:53 AM

Re: Court sees video of alleged drug use, sex at Hedonism

Hedonism is the JA version of US Swingers\nude club. I feel sorry for the staffs who have work there for survival.

**evanovitch** · 10-18-2009, 11:32 AM

Re: Court sees video of alleged drug use, sex at Hedonism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xKs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is this a joke???

Sex at Hedonism making news. ???!
what is this case about ?(sorry i wasnt followin)

The name of the place is "HEDONISM" for crying out loud

you can just video google the "hedonism" and tonnes of sexual videos pop up.
Everyone and their uncle knows for decades now that Hedo is a popular destination for the "sexually adventurous". Its an open secret that its a romping ground for lifestylers and nudist.. so for somone to use a video of people having sex in open in a court case agains hedo seems .. well .. weird..

Balloon boy saga, now this..
Sometimes I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.. </div></div>

is the ongoing saga eeer courtcase whe my man sue anodda seh dem slanda him via email...dis is the continuing cross examination...somewhere in here (this forum) u wi see di previous testimony

Do gov't ministers go to Hedonism to have sex?

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