why r oprah & tyler perry biggin up this film- precious

**Boopie2** · 11-25-2009, 09:38 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Xosha Roquemore played the Jamaican student, her brother raped her repeatedly. When she finally told their mother, she threw her out on the streets to raise herself. Her character was good so why didn't they mention her. </div></div>

the people who helped these poor disadvantaged ghetto people were all light-skinned or bi-racial;
why? they were the people who were moral & in authority to help the dark-skinned ghetto characters;
the jamaican girl was ghetto & couldn't read well...in j-a in school they teach english yet the j'can girl was writing in patwa...so no i wasn't particularly happy that the one j'can character was an semi-illiterate ghetto head;

they can make any movie they want, but i just ask for balance; too many movies like this and not enough to show other black stories...seems only these types get the push & ratings;

but i'm just going by hollyweird's track record...they have a lousy one when it comes to their portrayals of certain people

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Read the book.

**Boopie2** · 11-25-2009, 09:43 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Xosha Roquemore played the Jamaican student, her brother raped her repeatedly. When she finally told their mother, she threw her out on the streets to raise herself. Her character was good so why didn't they mention her. </div></div>

the people who helped these poor disadvantaged ghetto people were all light-skinned or bi-racial;
why? they were the people who were moral & in authority to help the dark-skinned ghetto characters;
the jamaican girl was ghetto & couldn't read well...in j-a in school they teach english yet the j'can girl was writing in patwa...so no i wasn't particularly happy that the one j'can character was an semi-illiterate ghetto head;

they can make any movie they want, but i just ask for balance; too many movies like this and not enough to show other black stories...seems only these types get the push & ratings;

but i'm just going by hollyweird's track record...they have a lousy one when it comes to their portrayals of certain people

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Mariah Carey is close friends with the director so that's one reason he cast her. He said she chose her because she can do impersonations very well. They are actors and actresses for God sake, if they were all as black as night you'd have something to stew about as well.

**jah_yout** · 11-25-2009, 09:47 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just admit that you didn't see the flipping movie</div></div>

i saw it...needless to say i didn't like it as much as you did...the way the movie ended to me was not positive...

the subliminal messages sent in certain ways not positive;

but perhaps i'm in the minority...most of the reviews i've heard have been favorable for the film...so i'm outnumbered

**jah_yout** · 11-25-2009, 09:59 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if they were all as black as night you'd have something to stew about as well. </div></div>

iz juss chroo mi cyaan ease up di pressure pon hollyweird...or weird authors

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**Emperah** · 11-25-2009, 10:22 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

wow, what a lot of differentiating view on a film....to me, its none of what they are saying bout racist? give me a break....this is just reality to some folks and it needs to be told, to be talked about....its not a film of all people, but of some people and what they are struggling with, wha dem want, we shoot film bout drug dealers all the time?? puleaseeeee!!! (I cant wait to see it)

<span style="font-weight: bold">

Is 'Precious' racist?
Is the acclaimed film, 'Precious,' about an obese African American teen an inspiring story—or just sensationalist "poverty porn"?
Monday, November 9, 2009

Gabourey Sidibe as "Precious." (Anne Marie Fox/ Lions Gate Entertainment)

BEST OPINION: New York, New York Press, Newsweek, WSJ

With pivotal support from executive producers Oprah Winfrey and Tyler Perry, "Precious"— the grim story of an illiterate, obese, abused black teen—prevailed at the box office this weekend with a record $1.8 million in limited release. Though most critics gave the "resoundingly hopeful" release two large thumbs up, dissenters say it just perpetuates negative stereotypes. Is "Precious" exploitative? (Watch a trailer for "Precious&quot

"Precious" is a sociological horror show: Shame on Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey for endorsing this "orgy of prurience," says Armond White in the New York Press. This "post-hip-hop freak show" demeans black American life more than it enlightens.
"Pride & Precious"

Critics who cry "racist" are missing the point: "I wish I could agree with those who say 'Precious' is just one more movie that feeds [African Americans'] vision of ourselves as victims," says Raina Kelley in Newsweek. What’s really outrageous is that the film, set in 1987, "is a period piece that feels like a documentary." Hardly anything has changed in the 20 years since.
"Precious": Has the Black Ghetto Changed?

The controversy is overshadowing the film: "Precious" was set to be "this year’s requisite heartwarming movie story," says The Wall Street Journal's Speakeasy blog. "Ah, not so fast." Audiences might just avoid a film that raises such “thorny questions” about how Hollywood handles issues of race and class: Who wants to suffer through a "downer" movie if it’s not a "must-see masterpiece”?
"'Precious' Reviews Divided on Issues of Sex, Race and Class"
</span> </div></div>

Yes de film reeks of racism and yt supremacy as the day and week is long </div></div>

You go and sit down to. I know you haven't read the book or taken your behind to see it. Did you know that the author of the book was abused as a child herself. </div></div>

bout sidung, yuh cyaan even si de agenda behind dis an all sawt a movie out deh. De hatred fi blk ppl in amerikkka is really supm else. Your pres had received 400% more death threats since him tek office, yuh tink dis is because dem love him?
The power of imagery is powerful beyond your dreams, some a unno nuh even kno why unno tink de way unno tink. Jah Yute try fi explain it tuh unno but unno gwaan bleev seh is just a movie

**Bink - the Only** · 11-25-2009, 11:11 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

Boopie, what I find interesting in the men's responses is that, to me, it says more about them as males than anything to do with race.

**SandiF** · 11-25-2009, 11:28 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

bink -- I'm reading the men's responses as well and it is the same thing that crossed my mind. None of them focused on the theme of the book or movie which is father's abusing their daughters. (I don't even believe any of them saw the movie either.)

Boopie good to see you around.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boopie, what I find interesting in the men's responses is that, to me, it says more about them as males than anything to do with race. </div></div>

**Bink - the Only** · 11-26-2009, 12:15 AM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

Sandi, I need to say I do not think it is deliberate on their parts. I just find it interesting in a very disturbing way.

**jah_yout** · 11-26-2009, 12:31 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SandiF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bink -- I'm reading the men's responses as well and it is the same thing that crossed my mind. None of them focused on the theme of the book or movie which is father's abusing their daughters. (<span style="font-weight: bold">I don't even believe any of them saw the movie either.)</span>

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ok you've got to cool with this now...i clearly posted that i saw the movie;
my focus for my presentation was the racial aspect of the movie...the racial themes; i am not implying that incest & rape & HIV are not awful social issues...that is another argument...my focus is on the subliminal messages this movie is sending about color;
we have different opinions but it is not due to me not seeing the movie

**jah_yout** · 11-26-2009, 12:35 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boopie, what I find interesting in the men's responses is that, to me, it says more about them as males than anything to do with race. </div></div>

woodrwow wilson, american president at the time...hailed "the birth of a nation, a.k.a the klansman"
as a great historical movie...it was hailed as the greatest film ever...
it was the most vile racist propoganda i have ever seen in my life; it portrayed blacks as savages and the klu klux klan as noble saviors...
but i'm male so i guess i missed the hidden positive message

**jah_yout** · 11-26-2009, 12:38 PM

Re: why r oprah & tyler perry biggin up this film- precious

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When hitlah wanted to exterminate de jews he put out all kinda propaganda bout de ppl in order to have de ppl believe de images dem si, have dem get used tuh and believe wah dem si. So that when it is time to exterminate de ppl all seh dis is good cah look at de kinda ppl we're getting rid of, dis is good for all of us.

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we don't even have to look that far...there are good examples closer to home;

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**jah_yout** · 11-26-2009, 12:50 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

wow, what a lot of differentiating view on a film....to me, its none of what they are saying bout racist? give me a break....this is just reality to some folks and it needs to be told, to be talked about....its not a film of all people, but of some people and what they are struggling with, wha dem want, we shoot film bout drug dealers all the time?? puleaseeeee!!! (I cant wait to see it)

<span style="font-weight: bold">

Is 'Precious' racist?
Is the acclaimed film, 'Precious,' about an obese African American teen an inspiring story—or just sensationalist "poverty porn"?
Monday, November 9, 2009

Gabourey Sidibe as "Precious." (Anne Marie Fox/ Lions Gate Entertainment)

BEST OPINION: New York, New York Press, Newsweek, WSJ

With pivotal support from executive producers Oprah Winfrey and Tyler Perry, "Precious"— the grim story of an illiterate, obese, abused black teen—prevailed at the box office this weekend with a record $1.8 million in limited release. Though most critics gave the "resoundingly hopeful" release two large thumbs up, dissenters say it just perpetuates negative stereotypes. Is "Precious" exploitative? (Watch a trailer for "Precious&quot

"Precious" is a sociological horror show: Shame on Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey for endorsing this "orgy of prurience," says Armond White in the New York Press. This "post-hip-hop freak show" demeans black American life more than it enlightens.
"Pride & Precious"

Critics who cry "racist" are missing the point: "I wish I could agree with those who say 'Precious' is just one more movie that feeds [African Americans'] vision of ourselves as victims," says Raina Kelley in Newsweek. What’s really outrageous is that the film, set in 1987, "is a period piece that feels like a documentary." Hardly anything has changed in the 20 years since.
"Precious": Has the Black Ghetto Changed?

The controversy is overshadowing the film: "Precious" was set to be "this year’s requisite heartwarming movie story," says The Wall Street Journal's Speakeasy blog. "Ah, not so fast." Audiences might just avoid a film that raises such “thorny questions” about how Hollywood handles issues of race and class: Who wants to suffer through a "downer" movie if it’s not a "must-see masterpiece”?
"'Precious' Reviews Divided on Issues of Sex, Race and Class"
</span> </div></div>

Yes de film reeks of racism and yt supremacy as the day and week is long </div></div>

You go and sit down to. I know you haven't read the book or taken your behind to see it. Did you know that the author of the book was abused as a child herself. </div></div>

bout sidung, yuh cyaan even si de agenda behind dis an all sawt a movie out deh. De hatred fi blk ppl in amerikkka is really supm else. Your pres had received 400% more death threats since him tek office, yuh tink dis is because dem love him?
The power of imagery is powerful beyond your dreams, some a unno nuh even kno why unno tink de way unno tink. Jah Yute try fi explain it tuh unno but unno gwaan bleev seh is just a movie </div></div>

ah gweyn remine dem...
good ole apple pie america bing crosby even joined in the denigration of the africa for mass media consumption;

speaking of subliminal messages; ah waah yu watch dis, king...look what she says around 55 seconds in

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**Boopie2** · 11-26-2009, 01:15 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

wow, what a lot of differentiating view on a film....to me, its none of what they are saying bout racist? give me a break....this is just reality to some folks and it needs to be told, to be talked about....its not a film of all people, but of some people and what they are struggling with, wha dem want, we shoot film bout drug dealers all the time?? puleaseeeee!!! (I cant wait to see it)

<span style="font-weight: bold">

Is 'Precious' racist?
Is the acclaimed film, 'Precious,' about an obese African American teen an inspiring story—or just sensationalist "poverty porn"?
Monday, November 9, 2009

Gabourey Sidibe as "Precious." (Anne Marie Fox/ Lions Gate Entertainment)

BEST OPINION: New York, New York Press, Newsweek, WSJ

With pivotal support from executive producers Oprah Winfrey and Tyler Perry, "Precious"— the grim story of an illiterate, obese, abused black teen—prevailed at the box office this weekend with a record $1.8 million in limited release. Though most critics gave the "resoundingly hopeful" release two large thumbs up, dissenters say it just perpetuates negative stereotypes. Is "Precious" exploitative? (Watch a trailer for "Precious&quot

"Precious" is a sociological horror show: Shame on Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey for endorsing this "orgy of prurience," says Armond White in the New York Press. This "post-hip-hop freak show" demeans black American life more than it enlightens.
"Pride & Precious"

Critics who cry "racist" are missing the point: "I wish I could agree with those who say 'Precious' is just one more movie that feeds [African Americans'] vision of ourselves as victims," says Raina Kelley in Newsweek. What’s really outrageous is that the film, set in 1987, "is a period piece that feels like a documentary." Hardly anything has changed in the 20 years since.
"Precious": Has the Black Ghetto Changed?

The controversy is overshadowing the film: "Precious" was set to be "this year’s requisite heartwarming movie story," says The Wall Street Journal's Speakeasy blog. "Ah, not so fast." Audiences might just avoid a film that raises such “thorny questions” about how Hollywood handles issues of race and class: Who wants to suffer through a "downer" movie if it’s not a "must-see masterpiece”?
"'Precious' Reviews Divided on Issues of Sex, Race and Class"
</span> </div></div>

Yes de film reeks of racism and yt supremacy as the day and week is long </div></div>

You go and sit down to. I know you haven't read the book or taken your behind to see it. Did you know that the author of the book was abused as a child herself. </div></div>

bout sidung, yuh cyaan even si de agenda behind dis an all sawt a movie out deh. De hatred fi blk ppl in amerikkka is really supm else. Your pres had received 400% more death threats since him tek office, yuh tink dis is because dem love him?
The power of imagery is powerful beyond your dreams, some a unno nuh even kno why unno tink de way unno tink. Jah Yute try fi explain it tuh unno but unno gwaan bleev seh is just a movie </div></div>

Does everything have to have some hidden agenda for Pete sake? Who says it's " just a movie?" So many women on this very board have confessed that they were molested early in their lives about a year ago in Dear K. It doesn't have to be a mother or father that molested these girls who are now women. Who in their right minds would make up being molested?

I myself have a very good friend who was molested at 15 by a family friend. Her mother treated her bad, her community labeled her as fast. She kept it to herself, who would believe a child? It happens all the time.

What the hell does it have to do with Obama? Not a freaking thing.

**Boopie2** · 11-26-2009, 01:21 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boopie, what I find interesting in the men's responses is that, to me, it says more about them as males than anything to do with race. </div></div>

woodrwow wilson, american president at the time...hailed "the birth of a nation, a.k.a the klansman"
as a great historical movie...it was hailed as the greatest film ever...
it was the most vile racist propoganda i have ever seen in my life; it portrayed blacks as savages and the klu klux klan as noble saviors...
but i'm male so i guess i missed the hidden positive message </div></div>

Who really cares what Woodrow Wilson thought

**Mutty** · 11-26-2009, 02:09 PM

Re: Is 'Precious' racist?

I saw the movie and interestingly enough, I saw it right here in Harlem where the movie was set. When I walked out of the movie, none of what Jah_Yout, Dahjah or Green Giant said crossed my mind at NO time. It NEVER crossed my mind what "white" America would think. All I thought about is how sad it was to KNOW that the nonsense that went on with this girl in the movie, goes on DAILY for SOME black, white, Arab, European, South American, Caribbean, Canadian, Indian, African girls and THAT is what made me sick to my stomach. As a father of 3 girls myself and the brother of one sister who I love with my life I am reminded, made aware and can be empathize.

It is not surprising to me that this kind of movie will "touch" women more. In fact, it would be classified as a "chick flick;" Oprah material that men should shun. No, the storyline is NOT pretty and the movie is not about painting black folks in a "good" light when this is REALITY for many, like it or not.

I could give a flying fart what "white America" thinks because when white America sees me, they don't see someone looking thugged out to feel threatened by. They don't HEAR me talking the thug talk and they don't see me acting like ghetto trash, perpetuating [some of] their images of us as black people. They hear CONFIDENT intelligence and see respect for me and mine toward my mother, my woman and my children which extends to ALL people regardless their race or creed. So no, I did not walk out of the movie thinking about what THEY want to think or believe, nor did I walk out wanting to be like the characters I saw in the movie. I walked out feeling privileged that what I saw was/is not MY reality, but being made painfully aware that next door, up the street, in the next town, upstairs, some girl, some boy suffer evils like this, at the hands of those set to care and secure them. Shoving it under a rug in the name of "Oh....don't show that," is ridiculous!

Please, tell me. How ELSE do you present a movie like this? How do you tip toe around it to get the message out without making us uncomfortable. How do you make this into a "feel good" movie? Tell me!

why r oprah & tyler perry biggin up this film- precious

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