Chinese talk about racism ahead of Obama trip

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">my interest in dem has to do wid dem an di wholesales etc in Ja..true, dem transforming the landscape wid di building but u can tell dem attitude by one so so action...yes mi harp pon it but it is telling...

di chiney man who felt he was in his right to box di Mayor of Kingston personifies their attitude towards Ja n their investment there....di way dem treat dem workers , ah sah...dis is not Missa Chin of times past</span> </div></div>You're right, evan. I just figure none of that really matters. For example, I don't think Europeans particularly &quot;like&quot; Chinese either. Yet when foreigners invest in China, the Chinese government insists upon and obtains technology transfer and job creation for the local workforce. End of story. No fuss and bother about what Europeans think of them, rather let's benefit from the relationship as much as possible.

We can't change people's thinking, nor can we change our color, but we can change our way of doing business. The latter affects the well-being of Africans and the diaspora more than disdain that others hold of African-ness.

It's all about <span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #006600">M O N E Y</span></span></span>. </div></div>

so true Blackstar, it is all about money and unfortunately those in power in Jamaica, hold the average Jamaican in as much disdain as these Chinese n odda investors they r courting supposedly to create jobs....

can u imagine the conversation re the lazinees, etc of the Jcan worker between the two groups....wi know dat di tapanaris yaadie hold di view n seh it to the worker all di time, n wi know how dem wi seh it to create a common ground wid di investor him a try create a bond wid...some ting along the line of, 'well, u can get dem fi wuk fi likkle n nutten' etc...am not being farfetched at all...there r some tings in Ja dat seem to transfer generation to generation n none more glaringly dan the attitude of those who have dem hands on di rudder of di big ship

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">so true Blackstar, it is all about money and unfortunately those in power in Jamaica, hold the average Jamaican in as much disdain as these Chinese n odda investors they r courting supposedly to create jobs....

can u imagine the conversation re the lazinees, etc of the Jcan worker between the two groups....wi know dat di tapanaris yaadie hold di view n seh it to the worker all di time, n wi know how dem wi seh it to create a common ground wid di investor him a try create a bond wid...some ting along the line of, 'well, u can get dem fi wuk fi likkle n nutten' etc...am not being farfetched at all...there r some tings in Ja dat seem to transfer generation to generation n none more glaringly dan the attitude of those who have dem hands on di rudder of di big ship </span> </div></div>We just can't even begin to imagine a Chinese elite putting down Chinese working class to a non-Chinese. Or a European putting down one Chinese to another Chinese - they wouldn't dare.

So ultimately the seat of our problem could be black people's disdain for black skin, nuh chroo? We should concern ourselves with blacks' attitudes to blacks. At the end of the day, it looks like the Chinese, et. al. are taking their lead from us!

[mountaingal]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We just can't even begin to imagine a Chinese elite putting down Chinese working class to a non-Chinese. </div></div>



back in the day we were neighbours with a fairly successful chinese watercolorist on one side and an old british couple on the other side. british couple used to tell us how the chinese artist would put down him own people. chinese guy never shared anything like that with us, in fact, often acted as if he were better than us (black couple).

this is a generalization, of course, but i think chinese people are disposed to revere white folks as much as they disrevere (my word) black folks. they'll put each other down in front of white folk if they think it will gain them brownie (so to speak) points.

generally speaking.

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> At the end of the day, it looks like the Chinese, et. al. are taking their lead from us!</div></div>

not necessarily..they come in with their own pre-conceived prejudice, wich they unfortunately , have reinforced and erroneously given credence by the greedy, socially racist Jamaican entrepreneur...remember, howevee fair the Jcan may appear to be, NONE have a PURE bloodline ..wat they have is the generational stereotypes as to how they NEED to handle workers to MAINTAIN the divide as to who is in charge,..

the latent inferiority complex that Jcan whites have is evidenced by this example...their kids will go to school a farrin n bring bak a white to marry, n not one who even matches a Jcan woman in education etc etc etc...sometimes di ongle ting dem seem to draw di line at, is dat she have all here teet n not living in a trailer...ah chile is a complex social miss-hierachy , if i can coin it as such

and the latent inferior complex that the darker shade Jcan have is evidenced in the 'lower' class by the need to bleach, all the way up to the govanment ministers who practically perform as the monkey in the grinder at the functions they host inorder to ensure that they get a chance to rub shoulders....

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">

back in the day we were neighbours with a fairly successful chinese watercolorist on one side and an old british couple on the other side. british couple used to tell us how the chinese artist would put down him own people. chinese guy never shared anything like that with us, in fact, often acted as if he were better than us (black couple).

this is a generalization, of course, but i think chinese people are disposed to revere white folks as much as they disrevere (my word) black folks. they'll put each other down in front of white folk if they think it will gain them brownie (so to speak) points.

generally speaking.</span>
</div></div>I'm quite shocked actually. Then again, I don't know any Chinese as casual acquaintances, close friends, or distant neighbours.

Still, during the 2008 Olympics many Chinese were displaced from their homes to &quot;clean up&quot; the cities. In the interviews I read, plaintiffs said they were going to contest their expulsions, but wait until intl. attention turned away from China. That way they would not bring shame down on the country. I found it commendable that they were willing to put the interest of the collective before their own individual needs. At the same time when China signs a contract, they make sure their workers get jobs.

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">remember, howevee fair the Jcan may appear to be, NONE have a PURE bloodline ..wat they have is the generational stereotypes as to how they NEED to handle workers to MAINTAIN the divide as to who is in charge,</span> </div></div>Self-hate

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">

back in the day we were neighbours with a fairly successful chinese watercolorist on one side and an old british couple on the other side. british couple used to tell us how the chinese artist would put down him own people. chinese guy never shared anything like that with us, in fact, often acted as if he were better than us (black couple).

this is a generalization, of course, but i think chinese people are disposed to revere white folks as much as they disrevere (my word) black folks. they'll put each other down in front of white folk if they think it will gain them brownie (so to speak) points.

generally speaking.</span>
</div></div>I'm quite shocked actually. Then again, I don't know any Chinese as casual acquaintances, close friends, or distant neighbours.

Still, during the 2008 Olympics many Chinese were displaced from their homes to &quot;clean up&quot; the cities. In the interviews I read, plaintiffs said they were going to contest their expulsions, but wait until intl. attention turned away from China. That way they would not bring shame down on the country. I found it commendable that they were willing to put the interest of the collective before their own individual needs. At the same time when China signs a contract, they make sure their workers get jobs. </div></div>

dahling all propaganda if u think that they think of the collective at the expense of the individual..i have, over the last 5 years been reading chinese novels wich have been translated...u will find that the Chinese situation is similar to the experience of Russia....an elite lived outside the socialism they held the majority to...n u will find that looking out for another chinese is not necessarily altruism as it is xenophobia...a dumb Chinese trumps a Harvard educated farrina , any day...

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">dahling all propaganda </span></div></div>This makes sense to me. I don't know why it didn't occur to me before as I'm usually skeptical of media reports.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">n u will find that looking out for another chinese is not necessarily altruism as it is xenophobia..</span></div></div>This makes sense too - I get what you're saying now. Xenophobia appears to have its benefits though. Africans (generally speaking) may not be xenophobic towards Europeans &amp; Asians, but the economic plundering by foreigners in our countries is a high cost to pay.

[mountaingal]

Re: CHINESE ATTITUDES TO BLACKS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">

back in the day we were neighbours with a fairly successful chinese watercolorist on one side and an old british couple on the other side. british couple used to tell us how the chinese artist would put down him own people. chinese guy never shared anything like that with us, in fact, often acted as if he were better than us (black couple).

this is a generalization, of course, but i think chinese people are disposed to revere white folks as much as they disrevere (my word) black folks. they'll put each other down in front of white folk if they think it will gain them brownie (so to speak) points.

generally speaking.</span>
</div></div>I'm quite shocked actually. Then again, I don't know any Chinese as casual acquaintances, close friends, or distant neighbours.
</div></div>
toronto has a sizable chinese population. gie u another incident, benign of course, but made me figuratively shake my head.

sitting on the subway, chinese guy standing in front of me, i accidentally kicked his bag, i looked up and said sorry. guy didn't even acknowledge me.

subway car is packed, white woman bumped into him and said sorry. chinese guy all of a sudden is smiles and its okay, and ray ray.

mi seh, bwoy, fi mi sorry mussi did have the wrong color.

anyway, i don't know what chinese are like in their own country when it comes to their racial self image - maybe they do like to keep up a front that if u scratch it reveals all kinna sordid internecine prejudices.

here in canada i sense a kind of desire from chinese people to be favoured by white canadians. don't know why, really. the chinese dislike of blacks i think has a flip side of envy. i think there has been posted on this board a blog in which a chinese man was angry and confused about why black culture is so popular with whites.

[WiseJamaican]

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If these Chinese know their history then they would know that they belong to the yellow race. Every other race was on earth before them. They came from the valley of dry bones. (Ezekiel 37:1-3)

Those Chinese who are bleaching their skin as no self esteem.

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">the chinese dislike of blacks i think has a flip side of envy. i think there has been posted on this board a blog in which a chinese man was angry and confused about why black culture is so popular with whites.</span> </div></div>I would never have thought of that! I'd appreciate if you could bump that thread for me please, MGee.

[mountaingal]

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me wi try look for it. it was before obama's election.

[mountaingal]

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couldn't find the thread, but here's a link where u can read the original article by a young man called Kenneth Eng, called &quot;Why I Hate Blacks&quot;. Basically, he doesnt think much of blacks and is mystified why theyre seen as heroes by whites.

http://www.weneedtostop.com/2008/01/kenneth-engs-infamous-article.html

the article was posted in Feb 2008. it was pulled from the online version of the publication, but they couldnt stop the circulation of the print version.

[mountaingal]

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more inferiority complex from mr. eng:

Proof that whites inherently hate us

White people hate us and will always hate us. Here is a simple list of evidence, going from the most obvious down to the least obvious:

1. How many American films feature Asian heroes who are not stereotyped?
2. If someone makes a negative comment about a black person, all of the whites get hopping mad. Make a negative comment about the Asian race and nobody cares.
3. Most Asians know that everywhere we go, white/black/Hispanic people hurl racist remarks at us. I have already received about 10 racist remarks in the past three months and I have only been out of my home a handful of times.
4. In 1982, Vincent Chin was killed by two white people, Michael Nitz and Ronald Ebens. Both murderers went free, as the judge claimed that they were not the type of people who deserved to be in prison.
5. Chai Vang righteously killed six white people after they approached him with guns first. Unlike the “men” who murdered Vincent Chin, brave Mr. Vang was sentenced to life.
6. Asian civil rights activities receive virtually no media attention. Yet Rosa Parks was pretty much honored as a hero just because she refused to give up her seat. This is curious because Vincent Chin died to defend his race. Why hasn’t he been given an award?It is quite naïve to think that all of this can be explained by claiming that whites are not “enlightened” or that whites lack awareness of our issues. It is even more immature to think that things will get better if only we continue to protest peacefully through lame marches and letters to the producers of (insert any American TV show here). Animals, through evolution, are intrinsically developed to detest organisms that are different; the obvious reason being that conformity to a certain level increases the chances of a species’ survival. Since humans are part of the animal kingdom, it should be no surprise that whites have evolved to hate Asians, who have a strikingly different appearance than them.

Furthermore, we do live in an age where “political correctness” and anti-racism are in vogue. Why then, are there virtually no Asian heroes in the media? This is solid proof that we are enemies in the eyes of the Aryans. If even in an epoch where equality is an important matter they still do not treat us as equals, then what hope is there that they will ever treat us equally?

More importantly, why should we care? We vastly outnumber them. When you have a disobedient child, you do not give him gifts to make him abide to your will. You show him the cane.

[Panajar]

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<span style="font-size: 14pt">How ironic, the last time i post a article pertaining to this issue , <span style="font-weight: bold">SOFT GONG </span>and some of his co signers were outrage that i dared called attention to this issue .
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HERE IS THE ARTICLE

News

<span style="font-size: 20pt">Wholesalers breach garbage rules most
</span>
By Paul Henry Observer staff reporter [email protected]

Monday, August 10, 2009

Wholesalers are the island's biggest solid waste disposal offenders, followed by restaurants, night-clubs and corner shops, it has been revealed.

According to Observer sources, wholesalers head the pack of crafty business operators who illegally take home their garbage to be picked up by the already burdened residential collection system, in an effort to avoid paying for disposal by legitimate commercial collection agencies.

Additionally, one of the sources said these wholesalers would pay handcart men or cocaine users, wanting to make quick cash, to dispose of their garbage, &quot;which they just dump wherever&quot;.

The wholesalers have even tried bribing National Solid Waste Management Authority (NSWMA) workers to collect their refuse.

<span style="font-size: 20pt">Eighty per cent of the wholesale across the island are said to be owned and operated by Chinese nationals.</span>

&quot;<span style="color: #FF0000">They [wholesalers] are the biggest perpetrators. They don't like to pay,&quot; said one of the sources. &quot;They will do anything not to pay.&quot;</span>

About 50 per cent of the hundreds of $10,000-tickets issued by the NSWMA on businesses in major towns across the country were levied on wholesalers. The NSWMA has ticketed, on average, 40 businesses per month for solid waste violations. The persons who are paid by these violators are often issued $2,000-tickets.

NSWMA executive director Joan Gordon-Webley disclosed during a recent Observer Monday Exchange meeting of reporters and editors that commercial entities were taking home their refuse in an attempt to avoid spending to have their garbage collected the legal way.

One of the Observer's sources at the NSWMA said on Tuesday that the of wholesale operators taking home their garbage poses a health risk, as the waste - which includes meat refuse - is transported in the same minivan used to move goods for consumption.

&quot;You know the health problems this can cause?&quot; the source said.

Operators caught doing this have had their public health certification revoked by the relevant authority, according to the source.

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<span style="font-weight: bold">I POSED A QUESTION ON WEATHER BLACKS COULD GO TO CHINA AND DO THE SAME THING ...DEM NEARLY FLING STONE AND RUN ME OFF THE BOARD...NOW IT COME BACK FI HAUNT THEM.</span>