How much a unno kno seh...

[Emperah]

dem find ile a haiti?
How much a unno kno ar hear seh meriKKKa claim an cyap de said ile an claim as stregic fi dem own purpose an mek it suh de haitian dem cyaan use it fi demself?

How much a unno tink seh Obama nuh kno dis?
How much unno believe seh him couldan lowe dis fi gwaan tuh de ppl dem?
When does de wickedness stap

[Emperah]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

How much a unno kno seh de UN troops in Haiti really di deh fi protekk de ile?

[Emperah]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

It is all so clear why AmeriKKKa got rid of Aristide.
He wanted it for his ppl, suh dem couldan benefit, but dat pawt neh fit inna merikkka plan. Dem musseea de moas racist set rulahz de world has evah seen, dem mek germany look like pappy show tuh ross

MI cyaan bleeve dis tactic, mi really cyaan bleeve it

[britisha]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is all so clear why AmeriKKKa got rid of Aristide.
He wanted it for his ppl, suh dem couldan benefit, but dat pawt neh fit inna merikkka plan. Dem musseea de moas racist set rulahz de world has evah seen, dem mek germany look like pappy show tuh ross

MI cyaan bleeve dis tactic, mi really cyaan bleeve it </div></div>

Yuh mek mi laff for a numbah of reasons...America got rid of Aristide?


I double dare you to go to Gonaives and seh dis...si hiff yuh mek hit hout alive...

Don't underestimate Haiti...like the Phoenix it will rise again from the ashes...there is still some fight left in the dog, and truss mi, there are more than enough Haitians [within and without it's borders] who will fight to the death to preserve what is left there..<span style="font-style: italic">no mek ghost fool yuh</span>...


Meantime, google the word &quot;necklace&quot; ala Haiti...


Mi dun talk.

[Emperah]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

yuh cyan done tawk all yuh want, mi kno weh an who mi get de tory fram.
bout fool mi

[Derek]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yuh cyan done tawk all yuh want, mi kno weh an who mi get de tory fram.
bout fool mi </div></div>

If the US can bully a country and take its oil, of course it will do it.
Haiti isn't Iraq. No need to invade Haiti to take its oil.

[neutral]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yuh cyan done tawk all yuh want, mi kno weh an who mi get de tory fram.
bout fool mi </div></div>

If the US can bully a country and take its oil, of course it will do it.
Haiti isn't Iraq. No need to invade Haiti to take its oil. </div></div>

Dont know about bullying,..but I do know that in order to find the oil there needs to have been extensive oil exploration first,involving expensive tools,manpower,and expertise that haiti doesnt have.
The land that the oil is on must have been legally sold to the american company that is now doing the extraction,...it is nonsense to suggest that the haitians discovered oil and the americans just walked in one day and bax dung everyone and stole the oil.

There is also areas in Jamaica that is currently marked for oil exploration,..by outside benefactors,when and if that proves to be lucrative that too will be owned and controlled by non jamaicans.

[RichD]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much a unno kno seh de UN troops in Haiti really di deh fi protekk de ile? </div></div>



<span style="font-weight: bold">U.N. Troops Fight Haiti Gangs One Street at a Time</span>
Ariana Cubillos/Associated Press



PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, Feb. 5 — For years, street gangs have run Haiti right alongside the politicians. With a disbanded army and a corrupted wreck of a police force, successive presidents have either used the gangs against political rivals or just bought them off.


Recently, something extraordinary has occurred. President René Préval decided to take on the gangs and set the 8,000 United Nations peacekeepers loose on them, a risky move that will determine the security of the country and the success of his young government.

“We’re taking back Port-au-Prince centimeter by centimeter,” said Lt. Col. Abdesslam Elamarti, a peacekeeper from Morocco. “We’re pressing these gangs so the population can live in peace.”

The offensive by the United Nations forces, who arrived here in 2004 after the ouster of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, began in earnest in late December. One of the fiercest battles took place on the morning of Jan. 25 with a raid by hundreds of United Nations forces on a gang hide-out on the periphery of Cité Soleil, this sprawling seaside capital’s largest and most notorious slum.

After a fierce firefight in which gang members fired thousands of shots, United Nations officials succeeded in taking over the hide-out, a former schoolhouse that gang members had once used to fire upon peacekeepers and to demand money from passing motorists. The United Nations said four gang members had been killed in the battle.

Other raids have followed, and though it is still too early to judge the operation, gang leaders seem to be on the run, and armored United Nations vehicles now rumble through the crowded streets of Cité Soleil.

[Some 700 United Nations peacekeepers raided strongholds in Cité Soleil before dawn on Friday trying to take control of abandoned buildings used by gang members. One person was killed and several others wounded, including two peacekeepers, United Nations officials said.

[“There will be no tolerance for the kidnappings, harassment and terror carried out by criminal gangs,” Maj. Gen. Carlos Alberto dos Santos Cruz, the commander of the United Nations forces, said in a statement on Friday. “I will continue to cleanse these areas of the gangs who are robbing the Haitian people of their security.”]

The biggest of the United Nations operations have been aimed at one of the most wanted and feared of all the gang leaders, an unlikely and unpredictable power broker in his 20s who goes simply by the name Evans. Evans and his groups have been linked to a rash of kidnappings in the capital, and lately his men have been locked in fierce battles with United Nations peacekeepers.

Within the confines of Cité Soleil, Evans’s every whim is enforced with absolute authority. Deeply superstitious, he recently said he suspected cats of bringing him bad luck after one appeared during a raid by United Nations troops on one of his hide-outs, local residents and United Nations officials said.

So he issued an order that all cats were to be killed in his patch of the slum. His gunmen would be rounding them up and roasting them, he told the people. When one woman resisted, he or one of his men shot her, United Nations officials say.

Evans and the other leaders now hide in the maze of tin-roofed shanties that are home to some 300,000 of Haiti’s urban poor. Meanwhile, the local population debates which is a more effective strategy for dealing with these young toughs, confronting or conversing with them.

Haiti, the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, has a long tradition of politics mixed with thuggery. In the 1970s and ‘80s, François Duvalier and his son Jean-Claude employed the Tontons Macoute, dreaded paramilitary hoodlums.

Mr. Aristide was elected president in 1990 and again in 2000 with the support of the poor. Gang leaders, who act as de facto spokesmen for long-neglected slums, gained entry to the presidential palace and helped dole out jobs and other spoils to their men.

In his initial months in office, Mr. Préval, who had been Mr. Aristide’s prime minister as well as president from 1996 to 2001, followed a similarly conciliatory tack. He negotiated with gang leaders, including Evans, inviting them at times to face-to-face meetings in the presidential palace, officials say.

But he has grown increasingly impatient with the gangs as they resisted surrendering their guns and continued wreaking havoc on Port-au-Prince.

The kidnapping spree at the end of last year was the last straw. As the country prepared for Christmas, street thugs began grabbing people off the street, taking them into the slums and demanding ransoms.




Then the kidnappers began singling out children. In one horrible episode, a teenage girl was killed and her eyes were gouged out. Then, a school bus of children was seized by gunmen, prompting many terrified parents to keep their children hidden at home.

Mr. Préval, who has support among Haiti’s poor as well as its elite, found his coalition government under attack as well, with opposition politicians in the Senate and Chamber of Deputies denouncing him for allowing the violence. The president changed course, calling off negotiations with the gangsters and giving the United Nations the go ahead to go after them.

Some local residents say that the raids are stirring up the gangs and that innocent people are getting caught up in the cross-fire.

David Wimhurst, the spokesman for the United Nations mission, said that the peacekeepers were careful to single out only combatants and that gang members had themselves killed civilians and then blamed the United Nations.

Not everybody agrees that confrontation is the best way of calming the slums. “The gang men can change,” insisted Meleus Jean, 45, a pastor who runs a tiny church in Cité Soleil and who was once almost hit by a stray bullet while delivering a Sunday morning sermon. “I talk to them and I think they are gang men because they have nothing else. Fighting them will not change them.”

One of those who has been criticized in the past for dealings with gang members has been Wyclef Jean, the Haitian-American rapper formerly of the Fugees. “The problem is much bigger than the gang leaders,” he said in a telephone interview from New York. “I’m not saying they are not part of the problem. When people are killing people, that’s a problem. But we don’t have enough conversation.”

But United Nations officials say the time for talk is over.

“If one of them goes to Préval and says, ‘I want to give up,’ and waves a white handkerchief, that is fine,” said Edmond Mulet, a Guatemalan diplomat in charge of the United Nations mission here. “That’s the kind of conversation we want.”

At the same time, nobody believes that arresting or killing the gang leaders will be enough to calm Port-au-Prince. The violence is linked, most say, to the dire poverty.

“The people didn’t ask to be born here,” said Christy Jackson, 42, headmaster of a school in Cité Soleil. “We didn’t ask to live like this.”

The United States government recently set aside $20 million to create jobs for young people in Cité Soleil once the violence is quelled. In Solino, a neighborhood where the gangsters were chased away, people are being paid to clean garbage from a clogged drainage ditch.

Mr. Jean, the singer, has numerous social projects under way, including a program to bring giant mobile movie screens to poor neighborhoods, which have no cinemas.

Mr. Mulet, of the United Nations, said he believed that the gang leaders were beyond rehabilitation. “They’ve been killing people, kidnapping people, torturing people, raping girls,” he told reporters recently in Washington. “It is very difficult to reinsert into society someone like that. A psychiatric institution would be the best place to place them in the future — after we arrest them.”

Even if the gangsters are all rounded up, the country’s justice system is ill-equipped to handle them.

Justice is bought and sold in Haiti, with both police officers and judges routinely allowing bribes to determine guilt or innocence. Jails are packed with people awaiting trial, most languishing for years.

On top of that, more and more narcotics have begun flowing through Haiti to the United States, law enforcement officials say. It is Haiti’s weakened state that is the big attraction to narcotics traffickers, officials say.

In a recent report on Haiti’s woeful law enforcement apparatus, the International Crisis Group, a nonprofit group committed to preventing and resolving deadly conflicts, said that without urgent reform “the current escalation of organized violence and criminality may come to threaten the state itself.”

As bullets fly, everyone is under threat. One stray shot pierced the outer wall of a hospital in Cité Soleil recently. “We don’t know who shot it,” said Marie Yves Noël, the chief nurse. The bullet continued on through the maternity unit and then broke the glass of a pediatrics ward. Nobody was hit.

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

wonder if DahJah know seh majority of the UN troops in Hati are non-American

[RichD]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shebada</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> wonder if DahJah know seh majority of the UN troops in Hati are non-American </div></div> but everybody know sey all dem a jus pawns of the US imperialist

[Gen]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

dont figet the illuminati

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There is also areas in Jamaica that is currently marked for oil exploration,..by outside benefactors,when and if that proves to be lucrative that too will be owned and controlled by non jamaicans. </div></div>

Natral, I don't know if that is going to pan out as last I heard the seismic exploration would cost more than they would recover an sittin bout drilling in limestone not feasable.

cuba has PetroVietnam currently drilling there (newest player) an Hati an Jamaica should operate on a similar exchange where they get a % of the profit plus supply at a reduced rate.

what a lot of people don't realize is that the expense to recover oil or natural gas from a previously untapped source is often not feasiable. It's like a roll of the dice and often a losing gamble.

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Drlove writes: &quot;This is an article from haitiimpact.com and I felt compelled to bring it to your MONITOR with brute force. If we are not informed, others will always view us as a bunch of late Negroes of information. I tried my best to translate it into English. The original document is in French, you may click on the link above to read it as such.

It is nothing new to the avid readers of the truth around the globe. It is not a secret. Most people are aware of the fact that HAITI has the BLACK diamond buried deep under its land and its surrounding waters. One has to wonder why it is still unexploited.

At the beginning of 20th century, the physical and political card of the Island of Haiti, drawn up in 1908 by Mr. Alexandre Poujol and Henry Thomasset, announced a significant oil reservoir in Haiti in the vicinity of source of Rio Todo El Mondo,(Perhaps that’s where the name THOMONDE came from) Affluent of right-hand side of the river Artibonite, more known today under the name of Rivière of Thomonde.

The layer of oil in question is located between the districts of Hinche and Mirebalais, in a mountainous zone, located at the foot of the chain of the Black Mountains, in western direction full with Thomonde.

The same card announces an oil reservoir in the Dominican plain of Azua, at a short distance in the north of the Dominican Republic of the town of Azua. According to information to my sources, this last layer in Dominican Republic had been put indeed in exploitation in first half of this century it had produced more than 60.000 oil barrels per day, then had been closed, having been judged at the time &quot; insufficiently profitable It was said that in 1982 it had been discovered opposite this plain of Azua, an immense offshore oil rig oil reservoir near by Barahona, but that layer had been left unexploited also.

Those who have made the trip between Port-au-Prince and Santo-Domingo can testify that the plain of Azua and its littoral resemble the region of Vieux-Bourg d'Aquin and the corresponding littoral. There are reasonable chances that there are OIL RESERVOIRS in the plain of Cayes and l'Ile-à-Vache as well.

One person even suspected that there might be OIL deposits in Plaine de Léogane, Morne-à-Cabrit, and Département de la Grand-Anse

According to the study There are many places on our island (Haiti and Dominican Republic) which present all the criteria geologic of presence of THE BLACK DIAOMND In Haiti, let us say la plaine des Cayes, la plaine de Léogane, la plaine du Cul-de-Sac, la plaine des Gonaïves et la Savane désolée, la Plaine du Nord. The Island of Gonâve and literal correspondents for the layers offshore oil rig. In this list, one should not forget the large sedimentary basin of Plateau Central.

In the Fifties, the Knappen-Tippen-Abbet Company (called by the local populations (Company Ti-pain à beurre) had carried out drillings in Gonâve, in plain of plaine de Cul-de-Sac, Plateau-Central and in the area of Gonaïves. All these drillings had proven extremely promising and the results had been beyond the hopes. However, the large oil multinationals, of which some operated in Haiti, had made pressure so that the layers discovered were not exploited. Haiti was neither Saudi Arabia nor Kuwait. With one time when the crude oil barrel was sold a little more than one dollar, and that the Persian Gulf provided oil at a cheaper price. There was no reason for these Companies to put in exploitation layers much less profitable, whereas the ARAMCO made the rain and beautiful time in Arabia, at cheap price, plundering even the invaluable oil resources of this kingdom.

The Haitian OIL as well as other layers were to be kept as reserves for 21st when the means-Eastern gold mine would have been depleted. That is exactly what is happening. The wells of Knappen-Tippen-Abbet were numbered, carefully padlocked, or sealed with cement and one forgot them

These reports were not supposed to be made public to the Haitians. It shows that the superpowers do not want Haiti to become a powerful nation. The exploitation of these Oil Reservoirs could have easily removed Haiti in the poorest Nation’s list in the Western hemisphere.

Haitians did not have to wait half-century or a century to find out that information. However, the profitable countryside of Knappen-Tibben-Abbet gave the opportunity to several Haitians schools, preparing their certificate of Primary Studies and studying in the handbook of Haitian geography to learn that our ground had oil reservoirs, in Plateau Central, and la Gonâve.

Some of the industrialized nations already know there is oil reservoir in Haiti. They are not in hurry to exploit it. There will always be time to think of the island of Haiti

The great nations however did think of us at the time of the Gulf crisis, the Kuwaitis layers Saudis, and other layers were threatened by Saddam Hussein. If the Cubans had not made main efforts by themselves to put their oil in exploitation, nobody would have done it for them. The Cuban oil would have been placed in the entrails of the ground, like the Haitian oil. The ball is in our camp my brethrens.

If the big companies are not interested in our oil, we should ask our Cuban neighbors to come help us exploit it.

In their dramatic search for oil, the Cubans developed a technology and a know-how of which we could, in exchange of their services, yield to the Cubans part of the national oil production and give them a share of benefit. A mission of governmental persons in charge and Haitians businessmen should leave for Cuba in this direction

The international embargo has shown us that we must manage all alone, and we do not have to await the O.K. of the US when our vital interests are in peril. We are aware of the way they treated us and will treat us still in the future. Haiti only be saved by Haitians, and by Haitians only, it is the principal lesson of the embargo

If our oil had been available, we would not have been forced to capitulate shamefully following the oil blockade decided with the contempt of the international law with their infamous resolution 841, by the great powers bearing from now on the pompous and ridiculous name of &quot; international community&quot; .

Our government, our big businessmen, our ultra-liberal economists, our smugglers, our Chicago-Servant boys anti-nationals and others ruffians, would have preferred imported air, rather than to put in exploitation the resources of Haiti. With a zeal which it is difficult to include/understand, they obey the finger and the eye with the injunctions of the IMF and the World Bank, and are put with these two organizations to destroy the Haitian economy, and in particular our invaluable agriculture.

The two Republics should be committed by treaty providing oil mutually some, which are the decisions of a third party. The construction of a pipeline, Barahona-Port-au-Prince, could be an element of this oil integration between the two countries which shares the island.

While waiting to be able to consume our oil whose surpluses provided also invaluable currencies, which we need, it is necessary to increase the storage capacities of oil products on the territory of the Republic, and to constitute significant strategic reserves. The oil embargo of 1991 is in addition a substantial argument for the rebuilding of our railroads.


by Dr. George Michel
Translated by Michael Dalexis </div></div> http://kiskeyanconnection.com/module...cle&amp;sid=58

[britisha]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yuh cyan done tawk all yuh want, mi kno weh an who mi get de tory fram.
bout fool mi </div></div>

If the US can bully a country and take its oil, of course it will do it.
Haiti isn't Iraq. No need to invade Haiti to take its oil. </div></div>

Dont know about bullying,..but I do know that in order to find the oil there needs to have been extensive oil exploration first,involving expensive tools,manpower,and expertise that haiti doesnt have.
The land that the oil is on must have been legally sold to the american company that is now doing the extraction,...it is nonsense to suggest that the haitians discovered oil and the americans just walked in one day and bax dung everyone and stole the oil.

There is also areas in Jamaica that is currently marked for oil exploration,..by outside benefactors,when and if that proves to be lucrative that too will be owned and controlled by non jamaicans. </div></div>

[missus_vegas]

Re: How much a unno kno seh...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dem find ile a haiti?
How much a unno kno ar hear seh meriKKKa claim an cyap de said ile an claim as stregic fi dem own purpose an mek it suh de haitian dem cyaan use it fi demself?

How much a unno tink seh Obama nuh kno dis?
How much unno believe seh him couldan lowe dis fi gwaan tuh de ppl dem?
When does de wickedness stap </div></div>

so all di obeah man dem a haiti dead or is sleep dem a sleep