You have decided, yet provided zero proof that 25% of Jamaicans do not go to vote in Elections because of fear? You have recommended Absentee Ballots as the solution. Why would you think acquiring then casting an Absentee Ballot would protect the Voter and/or the Ballot from violent acts?
From my experience voter apathy in Jamaica is a complex mix of fear, Government that does not seem to work, Religion.
Some Christians have refused to take part in the Political process due to their religion. Some Rastas likewise. There are folks living in some garrisons who are of different persuasion who are fearful. Then there are others who have been brought up in a culture where voting is just too much trouble that does not do anything for them anyway.
Jamaica Elections have become less violent than they ever was, yet participation at the Ballot box have been steadily falling, over all Election cycles since 1980, no matter the stakes. I can't see the Magical Absentee Ballot as a solution!
I did not see your proof that it is not the case that nearly 25% of the Jamaican electorate, do not vote due to fear of political violence.
In case you do not know, (which seems to be the case) casting an absentee ballot is just like voting anonymously. You can do it without anyone knowing. There are multiple reasons why people don’t vote but making it easier and more convenient always helps. This for one would go a long way in eliminating the intimidation factor so prevalent in the Jamaican voting system. Even if you are not aware, it is still the case that absentee ballot voting is used all over the world and is proven to have increased voter turnout worldwide. Jamaica being a third world country is always behind, but hopefully eventually these advances in the electoral process will get there. And this is by no means any kind of solution to all the problems which are too numerous, but it is a step in the right direction.
I did not see your proof that it is not the case that nearly 25% of the Jamaican electorate, do not vote due to fear of political violence.
There is nothing to prove not disprove. You have not provided a shred of evidence to say this is a fact. So Zero Evidence require Zero need to prove Zero exists.
For those who cannot access polling stations for whatever reason (infirmed, fear etc.) this might can work.
"Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Gong View Post
Now if an Absentee or Real Time Ballot could be entered online/cell/text, then I think this could be a real good solution."
The above is just ignorant wishy washy hypothetical wishful thinking for which
the underlying mechanics do NOT exist. What is being described does not exist. Just wishing for things doesn't create them. That is not an absentee ballot. Absentee ballots are already in existence and are successfully used all over the world and work just fine the way they are implemented.
Now if an Absentee or Real Time Ballot could be entered online/cell/text, then I think this could be a real good solution."
The above is just ignorant wishy washy hypothetical wishful thinking for which
the underlying mechanics do NOT exist.
Let's get this straight. Unlike you, I am not wishing for "Absentee Ballots", especially on the basis of which you are advocating them.
Now to claim, the underlying mechanics does not exist. This is a joke. The internet and more importantly Cellular Phones have an almost 100% penetration in Jamaica. So much so that Comrade Roger Clarke is known to have bragged that every Jamaican own at least two cellular phones and is at liberty to take one out of his/her back pocket call the other one and say, "hello hello"!
Let's get this straight. Unlike you, I am not wishing for "Absentee Ballots", especially on the basis of which you are advocating them.
Now to claim, the underlying mechanics does not exist. This is a joke. The internet and more importantly Cellular Phones have an almost 100% penetration in Jamaica. So much so that Comrade Roger Clarke is known to have bragged that every Jamaican own at least two cellular phones and is at liberty to take one out of his/her back pocket call the other one and say, "hello hello"!
Wow and all you need is everyone to have internet and a couple cell phones in order implement absentee ballot voting. I should have known all along that you were too smart for me to be having a conversation with you.
Wow and all you need is everyone to have internet and a couple cell phones in order implement absentee ballot voting.
I made no such claim. I merely offered that a more comprehensive solution (and indeed less likely to be affected by the threat of violence), would involve technology using the communications infrastructure. You claim the underlying mechanics was non-existent. I just tried to refute that claim.
I made no such claim. I merely offered that a more comprehensive solution (and indeed less likely to be affected by the threat of violence), would involve technology using the communications infrastructure. You claim the underlying mechanics was non-existent. I just tried to refute that claim.
The “underlying mechanics” to implement absentee ballots the way it is outlined is comprised of a lot more communications infrastructure than just internet access and a couple of cell phones. That’s just like saying the underlying mechanics to build a skyscraper is just some ground to stand on. You are refuting things which you clearly know nothing about.
The “underlying mechanics” to implement absentee ballots the way it is outlined is comprised of a lot more communications infrastructure than just internet access and a couple of cell phones. That’s just like saying the underlying mechanics to build a skyscraper is just some ground to stand on. You are refuting things which you clearly know nothing about.
You were right twice.
All you really need is cellular deployed as is now is in Jamaica.
All you really need to build skyscrapers is good ground and manpower. Ancient folks in Egypt, Asia, The Americas have done and are still doing it.
I spent years building computer networks and grew up working on houses. By age 17 I had helped built houses and structures, tall and short, in multiple locations around Jamaica and at least one other Caribbean Island.
My friend keep talking, it is your right, but leave out the guess work, don't bet against what you don't know.
You were right twice.
All you really need is cellular deployed as is now is in Jamaica.
All you really need to build skyscrapers is good ground and manpower. Ancient folks in Egypt, Asia, The Americas have done and are still doing it.
I spent years building computer networks and grew up working on houses. By age 17 I had helped built houses and structures, tall and short, in multiple locations around Jamaica and at least one other Caribbean Island.
My friend keep talking, it is your right, but leave out the guess work, don't bet against what you don't know.
All needed to build a skyscraper is good ground and manpower like the ancient folks in Egypt and Asia did. Wow. You are really smart. You even helped with building skyscrapers in Jamaica. And you spent years building computer networks so it’s no big deal for you to use internet access and cell phones to implement absentee ballots. I did not realize how qualified you are.
All needed to build a skyscraper is good ground and manpower like the ancient folks in Egypt and Asia did.
Ever heard of the Tower of Babel, The Pyramids at Giza, Angkor Wat, Machu Picchu. Humans build and they scrape the skies at whatever height they feel touches what they see above, below, across from them.
....even helped with building skyscrapers in Jamaica. .
I made no such claim, but it helps your argument to put words into my mouth, then turn around and answer them to your satisfaction ....go right on ahead.....be my guest.
.......Three years ....for free. I did not need the money then. I wanted to understand Computers. I was also using Compuserve and Lists and BBs long before what we now know as SocialMedia.
.....so it’s no big deal for you to use internet access and cell phones to implement absentee ballots.
I did not say I could/would/should. I was refuting your argument, the underlying mechanics is not in place to use the communications network to implement Absentee Balloting. You accused me of not knowing what I was talking about. I am saying I do know what I am talking about. Technology is used all the time to effect balloting all over the Internet.
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