you think jamaica carry taino blood?

[jah_yout]

apart from wahalla mi mean...

it's interesting because i was recently watching some stuff about that dna testing that's in fashion these days where they supposedly test african-american people & trace them to some group in usually west africa...

anyway i often wondered about the caribs (arawak) of jamaica and wonder how much of their blood remained in jamaica; perhaps cases of inter-mingling with maroons or others...i can't believe they just all died and all traces disappeared;
anyway i came across something recently that was interesting, even though i'm still on the fence about this whole dna testing to identify ancestry thingy...


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UCTP Taino News - Colin Ray Jackson, born February 18, 1967 in Cardiff, Wales is a sprint and hurdling champion of Jamaican and Scottish ancestry.

The athlete who recently turned TV sports commentator and television presenter predominantly for the BBC took part in an episode of the TV genealogy series “Who Do You Think You Are?” in September.

The program aired in the UK and in the genetic tests that are the focus of the show, Jackson genetic tests showed his ancestry to be 55% African, 7% Native American, and 38% European.

Jackson’s seven per cent Native American DNA showed that he is descended from the Tainos, the original indigenous inhabitants of Jamaica, who later mixed with escaped slaves and formed their own Maroon communities. The Maroons also fought against slavery and for Jamaican independence in the 17th century.

Cynthia Rosers, a genealogist at the Jamaican register general’s department, said: “Colin Jackson, is very light skinned. In Jamaica we would call him brown, but in American they would call him ‘redbone’.”

&quot;The fieriness that the maroons had, first with their fight with the Spanish and then the English, I think I've got that in me now” said Jackson.

“When I lined up on many occasions to compete for Great Britain, it took a lot of heart and soul to get out there and to really be at war with my competitors... I feel really proud that I'm still linked genetically to the first settlers of Jamaica.&quot;
UCTPTN 10.13.2006</div></div>

http://uctp.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html

so do jamaicans carry taino traces?

[jah_yout]

Re: you think jamaica carry taino blood?

this clip got me thinking

there is a huge notion that many african-americans have native american blood...
in this special prof. henry louis gates (yes he of the brew summit) supposedly uses dna testing to debunk this notion...

i don't know how accurate this testing is, but it would be interesting and ironic if it turns out that the african-caribbean population has more native american dna than in the u.s.

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[evanovitch]

even di poster gi props to Wahalla..u can find his somewhere

time on ur hands n few to focus on

[Blackstar*]

Re: even di poster gi props to Wahalla..u can find his somewhere

Interesting question... I was reading a history of the Caribbean by Oruno-Denis Lara (he's from Guadeloupe).

Lara recounts how the Taino and the recently arrived Africans formed alliances to combat the European invaders/captors. In addition, the two groups often sailed together between the islands in Taino canoes, staying on the move and engaging in guerrila warfare. While all of that was going on, no doubt there was some mixing going on.

Realistically though, in light of the sheer numbers of arrivals from Africa, any Taino heritage must be well diluted by now. Even in Dominica where the last pure Tainos still live(d), the mixed population is more and more African and less and less Taino. It's a great loss for humanity when a people disappear.

[Wahalla]

Re: even di poster gi props to Wahalla..u can find his somewhere

Who were the first Maroons ????

You think the plant life is the same in Africa as Jamaica ?

Why is there no mass Taino graves in Jamaica identified ????

The legends of spanihs cruety are cartoonish....The English census if Jamaica assumed 200 odd Tainos still alive in 1655 but a Spanish Population of less thna 10000.. Yet the whole country was free from Taino....

Just like the Kalinko Ciboney Taino dynanmic which assumes a western explotive dynamic..... Even the idea that the Carib ate long pork and the Taino did not.... Aye right. .You do realise that Barbeque was a technique used on the largest mammal in the Carribean...

But as Tropi sey she needs more than Wahalla word as evidence.. she needs a website....

[Tropicana]

Re: even di poster gi props to Wahalla..u can find his somewhere

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who were the first Maroons ????

You think the plant life is the same in Africa as Jamaica ?

Why is there no mass Taino graves in Jamaica identified ????

The legends of spanihs cruety are cartoonish....The English census if Jamaica assumed 200 odd Tainos still alive in 1655 but a Spanish Population of less thna 10000.. Yet the whole country was free from Taino....

Just like the Kalinko Ciboney Taino dynanmic which assumes a western explotive dynamic..... Even the idea that the Carib ate long pork and the Taino did not.... Aye right. .You do realise that Barbeque was a technique used on the largest mammal in the Carribean...

But as Tropi sey she needs more than Wahalla word as evidence.. she needs a website.... </div></div>

I need SOMETHING not just the word of one person as proof for ANYTHING.

Anyway, DNA tests will leventually provide the answer to the original question

[Xavier]

Re: even di poster gi props to Wahalla..u can find his somewhere

That is very interesting. I am wondering where did they get Taino DNA?

[Blackstar*]

Re: even di poster gi props to Wahalla..u can find his somewhere

^^^Remains in burial grounds.

ETA:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The White Marl Taino Midden and Museum is located on the Kingston to Spanish Town highway, adjacent to the White Marl Primary School. It was established in 1965 in memory of Dr. Randolph Howard, a distinguished American archaeologist.

The museum, built in the shape of a Taino Hut, forms part of the Amerindian Research Centre and the Midden is considered a most valuable Taino site in Jamaica and one of the most important in the Caribbean.

Excavations of burial grounds on the hill have located remains of a number of adults and a child. These skeletons are largely still in good condition. The burial sites are thought to range in age from seven hundred to one thousand years, and pre-dates the arrival of Columbus by several hundred years. Source </div></div>

[Blackstar*]

Re: even di poster gi props to Wahalla..u can find his somewhere

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Taino were the first people of the New World to encounter the Europeans as they expanded westwards, and soon were to face harsh slavery and virtual extinction.

However they were not fully exterminated, as history has led us to believe. In 1655 when the English expelled the Spaniards, Tainos were still recorded as living in Jamaica.It was noted at this time that rural farmers spoke a dialect that was mixture of Spanish, Taino and African languages. Later archaeologists were to discover English lead shot amongst Taino artifacts, and almost 60 years earlier in 1596 English privateer Sir Anthony Shirley sacked St Jago de la Vega (later Spanish Town), after being guided there by Taino tribesmen. Further archaeological finds were later to confirm that Taino extinction was a myth, although being enslaved and cruelly treated by Europeans some Taino did survive. Many escaped into the mountains to coexist with the Maroons, where still today many non African plants are used medicinally, plants that were once part of the Taino pharmacology. Hammocks also are still made in Accompong in the Taino fashion, proving that the Taino still survived, for many years after the Spanish had left, with the Maroons in the mountains of inland Jamaica. <span style="font-style: italic">Where I got this from</span> </div></div>