<span style="font-style: italic">now </span>a Seattle neighborhood (Leschi) surrounded since 9pm last night, and people who may have helped him taken into custody?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turtledude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">now </span>a Seattle neighborhood (Leschi) surrounded since 9pm last night, and people who may have helped him taken into custody? </div></div>Like people are getting to help man who cold bloodedly kill 4 police officers!!
The police create all sort of nonsense excuse.
that is to bring people in just for Id and questionning.
But is just to check every black person.
and because it is against the laws, they have to create probable cause.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turtledude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">now </span>a Seattle neighborhood (Leschi) surrounded since 9pm last night, and people who may have helped him taken into custody? </div></div>Like people are getting to help man who cold bloodedly kill 4 police officers!!
The police create all sort of nonsense excuse.
that is to bring people in just for Id and questionning.
But is just to check every black person.
and because it is against the laws, they have to create probable cause. </div></div>
SEATTLE -- The suspect in the fatal shooting of four officers in Parkland was not found inside a Seattle home surrounded by a SWAT team and numerous officers, Pierce Co. Sheriff Detective Ed Troyer said.
Maurice Clemmons, 37, was believed to be holed up in the home in the Leschi neighborhood after he was shot and wounded by one of the four slain officers before fleeing from the Parkland coffee shop where the officers were gunned down.
Troyer told KIRO 7 overnight that Clemmons was upgraded from a person of interest to a suspect because investigators found evidence Clemmons was wounded during the Sunday morning attack.
Troyer said Clemmons may have died from those wounds.
"He may be deceased from his gunshot wound; that has yet to be determined," said Troyer.
Sunday night, police first surrounded Clemmons' home in Tacoma, using a loudspeaker, explosions and gunfire early Monday morning to prod the man they thought was holed up in the house to give himself up.
After entering the home and discovering that Clemmons was not inside, authorities tracked Clemmons to an area around 32nd and Yesler at about 9 p.m., where officers believed Clemmons was dropped off bleeding from wounds, said KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Amy Clancy. See video.
Widely spaced, deliberate gunfire followed negotiators' use of loudspeakers and explosions.
Officers surrounding the house shone lights on the house and called out to Clemmons by name, saying: "Mr. Clemmons, I'd like to get you out of there safely. I can tell you this, we are not going away."
Any response from inside the house was inaudible from the vantage of a photographer for The Associated Press. But shortly thereafter, police began using sirens outside the house, and there were several loud bangs before the negotiator resumed speaking.
"This is one of the toughest decisions you'll make in your life, but you need to man up."
At 7:25 a.m. Monday, police entered the home. Clemmons was not inside.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Troyer sayid several other people suspected of helping Clemmons have been detained and more may be taken into custody in Seattle and Pierce County.</span>
Earlier, Clemmons was identified as the focus of a manhunt because evidence led police to believe that the 37-year-old was in the area of the Sunday shootings.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He was suppose to be up on child rape charges (so mi jus hear). If true, I hope him die a horrible death! </div></div> dem sey sumtin bout 3rd degree child rape?????
When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....
Clemmons is a convicted criminal with a long rap sheet who had a 95-year prison sentence commuted in 2000 by then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, said Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer.
Huckabee, a Republican presidential candidate in 2008, is considering a run for president in 2012.
"Should [Clemmons] be found responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington state," Huckabee's office said in a statement Sunday night.
Clemmons, 37, of Pierce County has an "extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft," the sheriff's department said in a statement.
He also was recently charged in Pierce County in the assault of a police officer and rape of a child, according to the statement.
Troyer said Arkansan law enforcement officials had indicated that they were willing to forgo Clemmons' warrants in that state to avoid extraditing him if needed.
Clemmons was sentenced to 95 years in prison in 1989 for a host of charges, including robberies, burglaries, thefts and bringing a gun to school.
During a pretrial hearing, he hid a piece of metal in his sock, media reports at the time said. Before the start of another hearing, he grabbed a padlock off his holding cell and threw it at a court bailiff. He missed, and the lock hit his mother, who had come to bring him clothes.
Huckabee cited Clemmons' young age -- 17 at the time of his sentencing -- when he announced his decision to commute the sentence, according to newspaper articles.
Clemmons was paroled in August 2000, after serving 11 years of his sentence.
"It was not something I was pleased with at the time," said Larry Jegley, who prosecuted Clemmons for aggravated robbery and other charges in Pulaski County, Arkansas. "I would be most distressed if this is the same guy."
Huckabee's office said Clemmons' commutation was based on the recommendation of the parole board that determined that he met the conditions for early release.
"He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him," the statement said.
CNN could not immediately confirm the account. But the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper reported that a year after his release, Clemmons was arrested for aggravated robbery and theft.
He was taken back to prison for parole violation. But, said the paper, he was not served with the arrest warrants for the robbery and theft charges until he left prison three years later, in 2004.
His attorney argued the charges should be dismissed because too much time had passed by then. Prosecutors dropped the charges.
Clemmons is thought to have moved to Washington that year, and for a while ran a pressure-washing and landscaping business. The license for the business expired last month, according to the secretary of state's office, with which businesses have to register.
In recent months, Clemmons has displayed increasingly erratic behavior, the Seattle Times reported. In May, he punched a sheriff's deputy in the face, the paper said.
In another incident, he had relatives undress, telling them families need to be "naked for at least five minutes on Sunday," the newspaper said, citing a sheriff's department incident report.
Clemmons also believed he was Jesus and could fly, a deputy wrote, based on conversations with family members.
After serving several months in jail on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child, Clemmons was released on bond six days ago, according to the Seattle Times.
Sunday's shooting was the first for the Lakewood police department, which was created five years ago for the town of nearly 60,000. Until then, the Pierce County sheriff's office provided law enforcement services there.
The four officers were awaiting the start of their shift at a coffee shop in Parkland, a unincorporated community just south of Lakewood and about 10 miles from Tacoma.
The officers were in uniform and had marked patrol cars parked outside.
The shop on Steele Street is a popular hangout for law enforcement officers and is one of 22 Forza Coffee Co. locations in Washington.
"As a retired police officer, this senseless shooting hits extremely close to home to me," Brad Carpenter, chief executive officer of Forza, said in a statement on the company's Web site.
The attack occurred without warning.
"There's not going to be a big motive other than he was upset about being incarcerated and was going to go gunning after cops in general," Troyer told reporters.
The shooter walked past the officers to the counter as if to order coffee before he pulled the gun out of his coat and opened fire at 8:15 a.m., the sheriff's office said.
Two of the officers were "executed" as they sat at a table, said Troyer, the sheriff's spokesman.
Another was shot when he stood up and the fourth was shot after struggling with the gunman all the way out the door, Troyer said.
Two baristas and other customers inside the shop were unharmed. "Just the law enforcement officers were targeted," Troyer said, calling the shooting an ambush.
"What happened in there wasn't just a shooting," he told reporters. "After, we believe, some of the officers were shot, one of them managed to fight his way with the suspect -- fight his way, wrestle, fight all the way out the the doorway until he was shot and died of a gunshot wound.
Witnesses told police they had seen the suspect hit by a gunshot. Investigators checked area hospitals to determine whether the gunman sought medical treatment. A $10,000 reward was offered for information leading to an arrest.
CNN's Patrick Oppmann, Peter Hamby, Samira Simone, Dave Alsup and Dina Majoli contributed to this report.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He was suppose to be up on child rape charges (so mi jus hear). If true, I hope him die a horrible death! </div></div> dem sey sumtin bout 3rd degree child rape????? </div></div>
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After serving several months in jail on a pending charge of <span style="font-weight: bold">second-degree rape of a child</span>, Clemmons was released on bond six days ago, according to the Seattle Times.</div></div>
what the heck is that??
When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Clemmons also believed he was Jesus and could fly, a deputy wrote, based on conversations with family members.</div></div>
When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....
That sound like a mentally ill person to me ... anybody who think them is Jesus and that them can fly must be coo coo ... so why them never get him help before him reach this stage ... I guess now they are going to hang him by his balls if they can convict him of the crime.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In another incident, he had relatives undress, telling them families need to be "naked for at least five minutes on Sunday," the newspaper said, citing a sheriff's department incident report. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He was suppose to be up on child rape charges (so mi jus hear). If true, I hope him die a horrible death! </div></div> dem sey sumtin bout 3rd degree child rape????? </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
After serving several months in jail on a pending charge of <span style="font-weight: bold">second-degree rape of a child</span>, Clemmons was released on bond six days ago, according to the Seattle Times.</div></div>
what the heck is that?? </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rape of a child in the second degree.
(1) A person is guilty of rape of a child in the second degree when the person has sexual intercourse with another who is at least twelve years old but less than fourteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least thirty-six months older than the victim.
(2) Rape of a child in the second degree is a class A felony.
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dem dih even have bullhorn and swat team. 
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