Prime Minister to meet with Kartel, Mavado

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Re: Gaza and Gully Unite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BiziBubbla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://vimeo.com/8042597 </div></div>

so ehmmm bizi, a so me did a tink to, dat dis was just a music ting, how it reach a de PM stage???

it never so serious??

nuh so???

[sistactry]

Re: Gaza and Gully Unite

de two artist dem look like dem just having fun~

[Bizzy]

Re: Gaza and Gully Unite

yuh nuh hear say ppl was a war a dance..

real ting..

selecta wi get beat up if him go a Gully area an lpay nuh kartel chune and vice versa.

mi go one dance last month an one yute (weh mi call GullyFan) nuh stop frownz up him face an go hole a corna an cuss de DJ anytime kartel songs come on

ppl a club a fight an ting ove gaza vs gully argument. bare fawt

[sistactry]

Re: Gaza and Gully Unite

yeah, me kinna figgah dat still, a de eediat one dem a tek it to another level, but in reality, de dj dem juss a play chune, ***kissteet***

[sistactry]

Re: Gaza and Gully Unite

me like how de two a dem come out a Jamboreee fe set de record straight, but de eediat ones dem a go still find way fe create a divide and rule,

ehhh Bizi, u see pan de video de girl a hug up Vybz after de show, and him a look like who u~~

de ppl dem find rooftop a chill a watch show???

waaiiieee, my ppl dem a de besss me a tell u,

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Peace bearing initiatives come from Gully/Gaza/Gov’t meeting

Peace bearing initiatives come from Gully/Gaza/Gov’t meeting
Tuesday, 08 December 2009

A meeting between Government ministers and two controversial dancehall artistes <span style="font-weight: bold">has decided on five initiatives aimed at easing tension between fans of the DJ's.</span>

Three Government Ministers as well as representatives of the Peace Management Initiative and the National Transformation Programme met with artistes Mavado and Vybz Kartel at Jamaica House on Tuesday.

It took Government officials from the Education, Security, Youth and Culture and Information Ministries to come up with a five pronged approach to end the supposed feud.

Information Minister Daryl Vaz <span style="font-weight: bold">said a treat is to be held at a location to be decided as part of plans to promote peace between the artistes.</span>


Daryl Vaz.&quot;(<span style="font-weight: bold">There will be) a paint out day </span>both in the schools and in all the communities across Jamaica which will be dealing with the Gaza/Gully graffiti and other graffiti that has become unsightly and is in fact inciting further tensions. A<span style="font-weight: bold"> joint song (is to be done</span>) to appeal to the supporters of both artistes to leave the competition to them and to keep the violence and intimidation out of the streets and (<span style="font-weight: bold">they will perform at a) peace concert </span>to be arranged in conjunction with both artistes and of course the Ministry of Youth and Culture,&quot; he said.

The details of that concert will be outlined early in the new year.



Mr. Vaz added that <span style="font-weight: bold">another suggestion is to create a T-shirt with both artistes' image and a slogan which will be used to reduce the negative vibes. </span>
Both artistes expressed support for the plans, with Mavado whose given name is David Brooks, claiming there had never really been any bad blood.

&quot;<span style="font-style: italic">Me and Vybz were not really enemies ... we never threw a stone after (each other). It's just about music (but) the fans take it to a next level</span>,&quot; he said.

Meanwhile, Vybz Kartel, whose name is Adijah Palmer, announced plans to appeal to the fans to cool it.

&quot;We have plans to do another collaboration because the first time Mavado and I did a song, it was a collaboration (and) those were the happiest days of my life, so that's what we're bringing back. The collaboration is afoot and people need to know that David and I have never had any personal animosity over the years; people just took things out of context, especially impressionable minds, so this is a good move by the Government&quot; he said.

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Growing criticisms against PM’s Gully/Gaza meeting

Growing criticisms against PM’s Gully/Gaza meeting

There are mounting criticisms this morning against Prime Minister Bruce Golding’s decision to meet with rival dancehall artistes Vybz Kartel and Mavado.

The meeting is scheduled for today at Jamaica House.

The Prime Minister is trying to help to end to the Gully/Gaza feud being sparked by supporters of Vybz Kartel and Mavado.

Vybz Kartel, whose real name is Adijah Palmer, leads the Gaza faction and Mavado, born David Brooks, the Gully clique.

However, several people have been questioning the Prime Minister’s intervention.

Social Commentator Martin Henry is among them.

Mr. Henry says the Prime Minister should have allowed local level authorities to carry out mediation and consultation among the rival artistes.

He goes further to state that Mr. Golding’s personal intervention could affect his image.

The Minister of Education, Andrew Holness, the Culture Minister, Olivia ‘Babsy’ Grange, the National Security Minister, Dwight Nelson, and the Information Minister, Daryl Vaz, will also attend the meeting.

Representatives of the Peace Management Initiative will also be present.

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Re: Growing criticisms against PM’s Gully/Gaza meeting

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In the meantime, the information minister has defended the government’s decision to intervene in the Gully / Gaza feud.

He says the government has taken note of the fraction that the dispute has created and its likely impact on the image of the country.

As a result, Mr Vaz says the government has a responsibility to intervene in the national interest.
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[Bizzy]

Re: Growing criticisms against PM’s Gully/Gaza meeting

what a stress, mi coodan swear mi did si one video of Vaz bday bash or some party fi him an all dem DJ deh was there

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Rival dancehall artistes could be sanctioned

Rival dancehall artistes could be sanctioned
Wednesday, 09 December 2009

National Security Minister Senator Dwight Nelson is warning that strong action will be taken if the rift between rival dancehall artistes Vybz Kartel and Movado persists despite an agreement for a truce.

Senator Nelson issued the warning following a meeting with the two entertainers at Jamaica House Tuesday.

He says one of the actions which could be taken is the sanctioning of entertainment events.

&quot;If this sort of conflict and divide is to continue clearly the police would not be in a position to sanction or give permission for dances and entertainment events where this divide could bring a violent ingredient to any event,&quot;

&quot;Certainly in the interest of the artiste to ensure that this does not continue so they can continue to enjoy themselves at dances and other events,&quot; Mr. Nelson said.

The government will also be looking at enforcing legislation in another attempt to bring the bitter feud to an end.

And Senator Nelson is defending his attendance at Tuesday's high-profile meeting at Jamaica House.

The meeting was called in an attempt to put an end to the bitter rivalry between Gaza/Gully supporters aligned to Vybz Kartel and Movado.

Questions have been raised about the involvement of Senator Nelson and two other Ministers in the meeting.

However, speaking on RJR 94fm's current affairs programme Beyond the Headlines Tuesday, Senator Nelson pointed out that the matter was of national importance.

Mr. Nelson said he was forced to step in as the feud was becoming increasingly violent.

Five initiatives aimed at bringing about peace were agreed on during the meeting.

One of them will be a concert involving Vybz Kartel and Movado.

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Mr Golding's dancehall summit

Editorial
Published: Wednesday | December 9, 2009



When Prime Minister Bruce Golding was leader of the National Democratic Movement, the political party he founded and later left, there used to be a running joke in media circles about him.

If the weatherman was off without warning, people would say, no problem, call Mr Golding.

That joke was meant to poke a bit of harmless fun at Mr Golding's willingness, or so it seemed, to speak on almost any issue, which he usually did with great erudition and skill. And he probably helped a news editor or two out of a spot of bother.

As the leader of the third party, Mr Golding was, and needed to be, more readily available than the leaders of the other two, the Jamaica Labour Party, which the prime minister now heads, and the People's National Party.

We were reminded of the 'Mr Golding the Weatherman' story because of the 'summit' the PM arranged yesterday with dancehall artistes Adidja Palmer and David Brooks.

Crudity, gangsterism, violence

The former performs under the name Vybz Kartel, while the latter calls himself Mavado. Both are talented but often purvey to their audiences lyrics of misogynistic crudity and a call to gangsterism and violence.

Both have large followings. Kartel's group is known collectively as the Gaza group, a reference to a section of Waterford, Portmore, St Catherine, where he originated, which itself was named for that narrow strip of the Palestinian territory that has for decades known intense warfare in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Mavado's fans are the Gully crew. He grew up in an area of St Andrew comprising mostly informal settlements bordering a paved watercourse, or gully.

Kartel and Mavado have long maintained a fierce lyrical rivalry from the stage and in media interviews, and this intensity hardly appears contrived despite their occasional declarations it is merely art and entertainment. Indeed, their fans clearly do not agree.

They have fought and injured each other in the Gaza-Gully conflict although, fortunately, no one has yet been killed.

Until recently, Kartel, the more naturally articulate of the two, claimed, disingenuously, that he could not be held responsible for the behaviour of misguided fans. More recently, he has been less vehement in that position.

PM concerned

Understandably, Prime Minister Golding is among the many people in Jamaica concerned about the violence of the Gaza-Gully phenomenon and has spoken publicly about it. We are surprised, however, that the PM would allow himself to be part of a peace-brokering summit between the two men, or to even have such a negotiation take place under his auspices, let alone in his presence.

The office of prime minister carries high prestige, part of which comes from the sheer weight of the constitutional power and the sense of mystique that goes with the job. Prime ministers have to be careful how they spread themselves around, lest they diminish the potency of the office and the title.

This is one case in which Mr Golding's handlers should have advised him to be circumspect. Kartel and other hard-core dancehall deejays have been engaged in many initiatives in which they promised to tone down their lyrical crudity or refrain from behaviour that might incite violence. It usually doesn't last.

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Re: Mr Golding's dancehall summit

<span style="font-weight: bold">It usually doesn't last. </span>

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Gully-Gaza debate moves to Gordon House

Gully-Gaza debate moves to Gordon House


Thursday, December 10, 2009


THE Gully-Gaza debate yesterday moved from Jamaica House to the hallowed halls of Gordon House, where media managers and practitioners were forced to defend their &quot;involvement&quot; in fuelling the lewd lyrical feud between rival dancehall artistes Mavado and Vybz Kartel.

Gary Allen, president of the Media Association of Jamaica (MAJ) which represents media managers, said that while the media had not been &quot;uninvolved&quot; in helping to air the distasteful material from the dancehall artistes, it could not shoulder all the blame.

He also dismissed arguments that a blind eye was being turned because playing smutty lyrics was profitable to media houses, pointing out that there was a culture of secrecy between guilty disc jockeys and the artistes themselves.


&quot;There is the feeling that this has been driven by a profit-seeking media. This is not so. In fact, the more we play in the electronic media the more we would have to pay...&quot; he said.

Allen argued that of the 22 free-to-air radio licensees in Jamaica, about 10, or less than half, play dancehall music while the three television stations provide a &quot;strong counterbalance of material directed at wholesome family values&quot;.

According to Allen, the dilemma the media faced was that its reporting of the issues surrounding the so-called songs and artistes was viewed as promoting and programmes discussing the issues were viewed as supporting.

The MAJ president said that the real issue which politicians must confront was the very source of the lyrics ,instead of attempting to &quot;shoot the messenger&quot; (the media).

&quot;The problem has been misdiagnosed and the treatment is for the wrong problem,&quot; Allen said, adding that Jamaicans had become overly exposed to raw and unfiltered sexually explicit material from alternate media sources such as the Internet, i-Pods and foreign and local cable channels.

&quot;There is a role we can play, and we are ready; we want to do it and do it now,&quot; Allen said, and called on parliamentarians to partner with the media for the common cause.

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If Mr Golding's Gully-Gaza meeting saves one life...


Editorial
If Mr Golding's Gully-Gaza meeting saves one life...


Thursday, December 10, 2009



Of one thing we are certain, Prime Minister Bruce Golding is not going to have the time to personally intervene in all the burning national issues on his plate, in the way he has with the Gully-Gaza rivalry and the duellists, Vybz Kartel and Mavado.

His meeting on Tuesday at Jamaica House with the two popular dancehall artistes was meant, we are sure, to send a powerful signal that the violence and disorder spawned by the rivalry between them and their supporters must come to an end now.

We don't write off Mr Golding's initiative as a waste of time or as something beneath the dignity of his office, because of its potential to save Jamaican lives, especially among the schoolchildren who clearly don't quite grasp the folly of their own adaptation of the rivalry. In fact, if Mr Golding's meeting saves even one life, it would have been worth it.

What we are more worried about is whether there is such a lack of capacity to solve problems like these at other levels in our nation, that it takes a busy and overworked prime minister to create time out of his pressured schedule, in order to give it the attention it deserves.

Of course, Mr Golding, the astute politician, might well have chosen to bask in the obvious opportunity for grabbing the spotlight among the younger voters, knowing fully well that it is there that the Gully-Gaza fiasco holds greater significance.

We would be naive to begrudge him that, but we most certainly hope that even if some political public relations spoils were there for the taking, that he was after a greater cause.

Because there really is a genuine issue relating to our lack of capacity for conflict resolution, that frequently enough presents itself in things like the Gully-Gaza debacle. Simple differences among individuals and groups so easily spiral out of hand. And, of course, the first resort is to violence as the solution.

The example has been well established in the bloody internecine warfare pitting supporters of our two main political parties against each other and that has wasted countless lives.

Adidja 'Vybz Kartel' Palmer and David 'Mavado' Brooks might have been charmed by the idea of sitting down at Jamaica House with the prime minister and three of his Cabinet ministers. But we hope that they were made to understand that there are consequences to their actions, and that some of those consequences might have to involve police action, as happened recently when Mavado wanted to stage his 'birthday bash'.

For sure, Mr Golding cannot be expected to run to a meeting every time two dancehall artistes have a clash, whether lyrically on stage or violently in the streets.

But then he doesn't need us to tell him that, does he?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: If Mr Golding's Gully-Gaza meeting saves one life...

That is what pass for authority in Jamaica.
these sociologically illiterates posing as leaders.
They all involve in personal speculation with no basis in science to support their statements.
If the prime Minister should not meet with the instigators, before it get to the point where it become a civil war, when should he?
I know the answer form the usual, will be &quot;he should never speak with them&quot;.
He should rather speak with people have absolutely no ability to improve the situation, while condemning the people who can do something about gf it.
The problem is that they see it as a means of recognizing the power these people have.
It is all about f maintaining their position of power in the country.
although they really don't have any power beyond their ability to use the media and undercut the real leaders. those who own the media rule the people.
What is new??