BBC reports WTC7 collapse while its still in the background!

[jah_yout]

Re: BBC reports WTC7 collapse while its still in the backgro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have seen no convincing video of a passenger airplane crashing into the pentagon </div></div>

argumentum ad ignorantiam </div></div>

so you have seen some?

[R_C]

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I know, (not <span style="font-style: italic">know of</span>), people who were on the highway and saw the plane crash into the building.

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know, (not <span style="font-style: italic">know of</span>), people who were on the highway and saw the plane crash into the building. </div></div>

I know, (not <span style="font-style: italic">know of</span>) people who were on the highway and didn't see the plane crash into the building.

[jah_yout]

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[Gen]

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suh a you one inna the pen get lick ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all those people down at ground zero were just imagining things. </div></div>

And you are way off the mark. Is anyone here disputing the scene at ground zero? </div></div>

[R_C]

Re: BBC reports WTC7 collapse while its still in the backgro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As any forensic psychologist will tell you, the witness' mind has to be made a part of the crime scene too. </div></div>

...and how specifically would you apply this truism here ? </div></div>

Rolling, have a look at those bits of film and tell me why you would rather believe Fox News than your own eyes. </div></div>

What I have said has nothing whatsoever to do with Fix News. I also looked at those video clips and have no idea what they represent.

I think you may have misunderstood my references to the geography of the area around the Pentagon and why I made reference to it. The building is a short distance away from the airport and is easily visible from a number of heavily traveled roadways as well as an elevated commuter train line. Persons who commute between Northern Virginia and DC are used to seeing low flying planes every day as a part of their commute. Seeing low flying planes from the highway or the Metro is not something that commuters in that area are unfamiliar with.

[Gen]

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like mi seh mine yuh buss you neck vein with this obsession

will wait fi yuh bring it up again next 2 mths suh mi can jump in with the same

&quot;it wasn't really a plane but 2 birds&quot;

[R_C]

Re: BBC reports WTC7 collapse while its still in the backgro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know, (not <span style="font-style: italic">know of</span>), people who were on the highway and saw the plane crash into the building. </div></div>

I know, (not <span style="font-style: italic">know of</span>) people who were on the highway and didn't see the plane crash into the building. </div></div>

...and they saw a missile crash into the building ?

[Derek]

Re: BBC reports WTC7 collapse while its still in the backgro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">suh a you one inna the pen get lick ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all those people down at ground zero were just imagining things. </div></div>

And you are way off the mark. Is anyone here disputing the scene at ground zero? </div></div>
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There are other threads on here that might complement your in-depth analysis of topics.

[Derek]

Re: BBC reports WTC7 collapse while its still in the backgro

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know, (not <span style="font-style: italic">know of</span>), people who were on the highway and saw the plane crash into the building. </div></div>

I know, (not <span style="font-style: italic">know of</span>) people who were on the highway and didn't see the plane crash into the building. </div></div>

...and they saw a missile crash into the building ? </div></div>

Check out the clips I posted and decide for yourself. They're from reputable US news agencies.

[R_C]

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I'll take that as a &quot;no&quot;.

[rudemonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ReggaePlus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The request to suspend logic has always been an official US government 'ploy'. Simpletons unite...yet again.

Kennedy x2, King, X, the 'moon' landing, the whole 911 'deal'.

We are taken for fools...because THAT's who we are. </div></div>

No doubt! But that is not enough to prove 9/11 is a hoax.

So there you have it. moon and 9/11. no offense reggae+

people need to just come to grips with the reality we went to the moon, just like they need to stop looking at the bogey man in government. of course there are people who seek to sway policy- a lot of it is well documented! You want a real conspiracy in our government look no further than the Family. Look that up.

My own family members worked on some of the lunar landing programs. the evidence that we went, like the fossil record, is staggeringly overwhelming. And every now and then, at some party, someone will bring up the moon hoax. Lol.

we went like, 12 times. That's TWELVE hoaxes to pull off. It's absurd, on the face of it.

we also have significant members of our population who believes that snakes can talk and the earth is 6,000 years old and man and dinosaurs lived together, and they would all swear to it. They've even built museums containing 'proof' and 'evidence' and such. Witness testimony is not so reliable- either way.

But for example, the request was made that nobody had seen any plane wreckage in the Pentagon pics.

But a quick google search reveals that yes indeed, there are plenty of pictures showing just that, from seat elements, fuselage, etc. I posted a link to a gallery chock full of such images. Could they have been faked? One must entertain the possibility. But then again, what is the motive to fake it? 9/11 got us into Afghanistan. Which has gained nothing. Iraq was the windfall if the case is trying to be made for some military industrial illuminati conspiracy.

There is nothing video wise or photographic to suggest a missile or any other impact created the damage.

NOBODY has seen a video or still image of a missile. So I am not sure where the weight of evidence is coming from for the missile idea, over a plane. No missile footage, and yet, a plane as the cause is dismissed? I love conspiracy theories just as much as the next science fiction fan, but we must not suspend reason in order to fulfill spooky motivations we know the government moves on. I mean, we KNOW of very real conspiracies...like the CIA Iran/Contra etc, the neocons and Iraq. Things like that.

the same kind of 'critical thinking' which is being directed at the official 9/11 story, would literally wither the conspiracy theory if people could just step back and look at what they are proposing. Not to get all religious, but few christians would accept the reality of Zeus, for example. They appy critical thinking. And yet, what is right in front of their nose, is immune to the same process by which Zeus is dismissed.

These theories of missiles and ghost planes and remotely flown planes and passengers being ethered and explosive pods being seen on jet wings and no windows on the planes and secret work crews sneaking in enough demolitions to take down the WTC without ever being discovered or any of the workers breaking silence and all other manner of ideas about 9/11 are generally absurd, and when we touch on subject matter like this, I think it is a bit irresponsible even. Unless you come to the situation with a preconceived notion, you couldn't possibly make the case after you begin to weigh the evidence. And that is what the history of these competing conspiracy theories have done- they all begin with the premise and fill in as needed, and ignore as needed, or else come up with even more ricockulous explanations- such as the world media was fed a script and some of them messed up so as to reveal the actual truth- rather than just accept that yes, media can make natural errors in the course of their reporting. I mean, if the BBC showed footage of a giant exocet slamming into the Pentagon, and the newscaster was saying here we see a 747 crashing into the Pentagon, then you'd have something. But we have nothing of the sort.

Maybe if everyone had cell phone cameras the way we do know, you'd have footage of that, just like the crash in the Hudson.

Is there video footage of the AA flight crashing in Kingston? Did that *really* happen? It did. Well something must have caused the crash. I don't believe it was the pilots. Maybe they want to end AA as an airline. Couldn't have been rain. The plane must have been driven to earth by a UFO! Little creatures on it's wings damaging the engines?

as of yet, nobody can provide any clear or concise <span style="font-style: italic">reason</span> as to why 9/11 is a conspiracy, nobody can provide it's objectives, nor show it's results in any meaningful or more significant way than reality being claimed officially.

you can track the developments of most of these theories because they all adapt as new information comes to light. It's called shifting goal posts, for anyone of a mind to look up the logic.

there is NO reason whatsoever to accept that anything other than Al Qaeda and it's agents perpetrated these attacks. They've been at it for a while now, and are <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> attacking...

so rather than spend time devouring these various conspiracy ideas, those who really are troubled by 9/11 I think would be better served in understanding how the CIA actually operates, come to understand what they mean when they say Blowback, figure out what are the root causes of the adoption of the tactics of terrorism and why these groups and factions of people are doing so against the USA, figure out where and why there is a breakdown between the rhetoric and the actual policy and why that is ($$$$), come to understand that our government has indeed been taken over- not by any conspiracy of illuminati but by corporations and people who can afford to buy congressmen to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars like what just happened in Health Care reform, and try and effect changes THAT way.

There are indeed very real, very dangerous, sleights of hand and conspirational movements. But probably not 9/11.

Everything else is just entertainment.

[Gen]

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why ? when you and your obsession are clearly here (and for the next 5 years) for my entertainment


no man gwaan choo my yout

[R_C]

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Derek, would you care to address the whereabouts of the passengers on flight 77 ?

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Derek, would you care to address the whereabouts of the passengers on flight 77 ? </div></div>


Tell me.