..AA Crash "The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert"

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http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20100107/lead/lead6.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 14pt">The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert</span>
Published: Thursday | January 7, 2010


United States-based aviation expert, Michael Slack, says information released yesterday by investigators probing an incident where American Airlines Flight 331 overshot the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston shows that it was <span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;not just pilot error, but pilot recklessness&quot;.</span>Slack's comments came just hours after Transport Minister Mike Henry outlined several findings by investigators probing the December 22 accident.

One of those findings, Henry reported, <span style="font-weight: bold">was that the pilot of flight 331 insisted on landing on runway 12, instead of using runway 30 that was suggested by Jamaican air traffic controllers concerned about the heavy tailwind.</span>

Other facts unearthed by investigators in the 15-day-old investigations are:


<span style="font-weight: bold">The aircraft touched down about 4,000 feet, or just under halfway down the runway, which is 8,900 feet long.</span>At this point in the investigations, no mechanical problems have been found within any aspect of the aircraft.

The flight data recorder did not indicate any anomalies or malfunction with the operation of the brakes, spoilers or thrust reversers.

The ground-based navigation and landing aids were evaluated by a check aircraft after the accident and were determined to be functioning normally.
Had enough fuel

In addition, Henry said the flight plan listed Grand Cayman as the alternative airport, and that the aircraft had enough fuel to make the trip.

Slack, who looked over all the findings released yesterday, said it was clear that the pilot made one bad decision after another, starting when he shrugged off local air traffic controllers and insisted on using runway 12.

&quot;He had an opportunity to do something safer and he passed on it ... <span style="font-weight: bold">he was gambling with the lives of these people</span>,&quot; said Slack, who is also a pilot.

Speaking to The Gleaner from Texas, the former NASA engineer said the pilot had a second opportunity to correct the first mistake by &quot;turning around and going to Cayman&quot;, as was indicated in the flight plan.

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[sistactry]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

why Cayman,

u a go Ja, wha Cayman haffe do wid dis~

u no go back up and come back down hte right way, and if the controllers tell him runway 20, wha de hell him a go to runway 12 fah~~ him want a beating!

[Wendy]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why Cayman,

u a go Ja, wha Cayman haffe do wid dis~

u no go back up and come back down hte right way, and if the controllers tell him runway 20, wha de hell him a go to runway 12 fah~~ <span style="font-weight: bold">him want a beating</span>! </div></div>

Beating!!!! .. Im need a public hanging!

From this story broke I could surmise it was pilot error ..dung to passengers who noh fly plane knew he was was off course based on where im a touch down di plane. Imagine im a play cowboy wid a aircraft like dat wid 150 people lives at stake.

Like Millicent sey ..dung to har lickle 9 year ole yute lan kite betta dan dat

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

You forget that 'black people a idiot'?

You forget that black people especially in 3rd world country know nothing about their job.
They just get them because ther is not enough white people to do them.
black professionals have to deal with that for as long as they work.
even black Americans have the same attitude about blacks.
Yes racial prejudice is an equal opportunity American ailment.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why Cayman,

u a go Ja, wha Cayman haffe do wid dis~

u no go back up and come back down hte right way, and if the controllers tell him runway 20, wha de hell him a go to runway 12 fah~~ him want a beating! </div></div>

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Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

Exactly. Wendi.. the hombre took big chance with the peoples' lives, and the fact that any f those passengers could have been any of us or our families, and also but by the grace of God this crash could have and SHOULD have had a tragic end, it is ironic that the local media from the florida city where the pilot resides is trying to paint him as an hero.
This dude is NO Sculley, he was reckless ..
Check this report from his hometown

http://www.wpbf.com/news/22063382/detail.html

to add insult to injury, it seems there is a thread of pilots that would try to cast the blame on the Jamaican controllers..

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/46708-american-airlines-flight-overshoots-runway-14.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wendilina</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why Cayman,

u a go Ja, wha Cayman haffe do wid dis~

u no go back up and come back down hte right way, and if the controllers tell him runway 20, wha de hell him a go to runway 12 fah~~ <span style="font-weight: bold">him want a beating</span>! </div></div>

Beating!!!! .. Im need a public hanging!

From this story broke I could surmise it was pilot error ..dung to passengers who noh fly plane knew he was was off course based on where im a touch down di plane. Imagine im a play cowboy wid a aircraft like dat wid 150 people lives at stake.

Like Millicent sey ..dung to har lickle 9 year ole yute lan kite betta dan dat </div></div>

[Dyoll_73]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You forget that 'black people a idiot'?

You forget that black people especially in 3rd world country know nothing about their job.
They just get them because ther is not enough white people to do them.
black professionals have to deal with that for as long as they work.
even black Americans have the same attitude about blacks.
Yes racial prejudice is an equal opportunity American ailment.</div></div>

And this comment follows from the post how ... ???

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Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

From FOX News

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582234,00.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 14pt">American Airlines Jet Landed Halfway Down Jamaican Runway</span>
Wednesday, January 06, 2010



ADVERTISEMENTKINGSTON, Jamaica —

An American Airlines jet that overshot a Jamaican runway and split apart last month touched down nearly halfway down the runway, well past its target, investigators said Wednesday.

Oscar Derby, director-general of the Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority, said it was not yet clear if that point of landing was a factor in an accident that injured dozens of passengers.

The plane's wheels made contact at around the 4,000-foot mark and the plane bounced once on the wet runway before the brakes engaged, Derby said. The target mark for the Boeing 737-800 was within the first 1,500 feet of the 8,910-foot runway.

Investigators said they are still considering potential factors including pilot error or mechanical failure.

&quot;We will be going to the analysis phase to rule out those things that are not factors and narrow down further to what is the probable cause,&quot; Derby said.

A call to American Airlines for reaction was not immediately returned.

Flight 331, which took off from Washington's Reagan National Airport and had stopped in Miami, skidded off the runway as it landed in Kingston in heavy rain on the night of Dec. 22. The fuselage cracked open in two places, the left main landing gear collapsed and the nose was crushed as the plane lurched to a halt on a rocky beach 40 feet from the Caribbean Sea.

All 154 people aboard survived. Ninety-two were hurt, none of them with injuries considered life-threatening.

<span style="font-weight: bold">A controller at Norman Manley International Airport advised the flight crew of a tail wind and offered an alternative runway, but the crew was cleared for landing after repeating its request for the first runway, according to the preliminary investigation. Derby said the tail wind was not unusually strong.</span>There is no indication the captain or co-pilot had any concerns about the approach, said Christopher Bickford, the chief investigator for the island's aviation authority.

After descending through the cloud cover, the crew saw the runway when the plane was between 700 feet and 1,000 feet. The plane was traveling at 186 miles per hour when the wheels made first contact. It sped off the edge of the runway at 72 miles per hour before plowing through a perimeter fence, according to data from a flight recorder.

Bickford said the tires, braking system and the rest of the wreckage will be sent to the United States for further examination.
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[Dyoll_73]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

So what will be the consequences to this pilot?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

You forget that 'black people a idiot'?

You forget that black people especially in 3rd world country know nothing about their job.
They just get them because ther is not enough white people to do them.
black professionals have to deal with that for as long as they work.
even black Americans have the same attitude about blacks.
Yes racial prejudice is an equal opportunity American ailment.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xKs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Exactly. Wendi.. the hombre took big chance with the peoples' lives, and the fact that any f those passengers could have been any of us or our families, and also but by the grace of God this crash could have and SHOULD have had a tragic end, it is ironic that the local media from the florida city where the pilot resides is trying to paint him as an hero.
This dude is NO Sculley, he was reckless ..
Check this report from his hometown

http://www.wpbf.com/news/22063382/detail.html

to add insult to injury, it seems there is a thread of pilots that would try to cast the blame on the Jamaican controllers..

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/46708-american-airlines-flight-overshoots-runway-14.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wendilina</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SistaCtry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why Cayman,

u a go Ja, wha Cayman haffe do wid dis~

u no go back up and come back down hte right way, and if the controllers tell him runway 20, wha de hell him a go to runway 12 fah~~ <span style="font-weight: bold">him want a beating</span>! </div></div>

Beating!!!! .. Im need a public hanging!

From this story broke I could surmise it was pilot error ..dung to passengers who noh fly plane knew he was was off course based on where im a touch down di plane. Imagine im a play cowboy wid a aircraft like dat wid 150 people lives at stake.

Like Millicent sey ..dung to har lickle 9 year ole yute lan kite betta dan dat </div></div> </div></div>

[Wendy]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what will be the consequences to this pilot? </div></div>

Now a dat me waan know..dis ain't no joke ting wey im do a tall

X - a same soh mi did a sey in wan neda poas.. Im a gwaan like im a Sulley

From what adda people a sey if a neva fi di pile a sand heap weh help di plane stap a straight ina sea [wid di alligator dem ] dem di ago

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Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what will be the consequences to this pilot? </div></div>
he should at least be cautioned. Not praised.
Cautioning or consequences is not to spite, but to discourage the same reckless action from being repeated.
Next time God may be busy helping another deserving Sculley land a crippled plane on the Hudson.. or something like that

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Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wendilina</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what will be the consequences to this pilot? </div></div>

Now a dat me waan know..dis ain't no joke ting wey im do a tall

X - a same soh mi did a sey in wan neda poas.. Im a gwaan like im a Sulley

From what adda people a sey if a neva fi di pile a sand heap weh help di plane stap a straight ina sea [wid di alligator dem ] dem di ago
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Something systemic in AA.. Just a matter of time...
Yuh ever hear &quot;Chicken Merry, hawk deh near...&quot;

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2010/1/4/85757/34170/travel/FAA+Spanks+American+Airlines%2C+Grounding+To+Follow%3F

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 14pt">FAA Spanks American Airlines, Grounding To Follow</span>
American Airlines had an abnormally bad December, and their January is about to get a lot worse because of it. The airline had three landing mishaps last month, with wingtips touching the ground twice and that nasty runway overrun in Jamaica. Now the FAA is stepping up to probe whether the accidents and near-accidents were just a run of bad luck, or whether there's something systemic going on.

There's a lot of confusion about what exactly &quot;stepping up&quot; means, with reports ranging from &quot;looking to conduct a major review&quot; to &quot;new oversight rules.&quot; What's actually going on is somewhere in the middle: having three incidents in one month sends up all kinds of statistical red flags. The FAA obviously conducts investigations on each incident, but the combination also triggers heightened scrutiny of the airline's overall operations. If lax safety standards line up with whatever they think caused the accidents, then enforcement actions start kicking in. We're a long way from that.

For what it's worth there's a robust debate on this going on in the FlyerTalk forums. Some seem inclined to believe that this is security theater on the FAA's part, since in contrast to many other airlines American Airlines has a reputation for hiring seasoned former military pilots instead of unreliable private flight school instapilots. On the other hand the airline hasn't hired a new pilot in a while and they have had more accidents than other airlines recently. So it's not like the FAA can afford to not investigate. We'll keep an eye on this and let you know if there's anything more than a statistical blip going on. </div></div>

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

some amazing pictures of the plane crash here

http://www.marvhamm.com/kingston-737.html

[sistactry]

Re: ..AA Crash &quot;The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation expert&quot;

<span style="font-weight: bold">You forget that 'black people a idiot'?

You forget that black people especially in 3rd world country know nothing about their job. </span>

u see it to,

u tink if a did AJ a come into JFK, u tink fe we pilot cudda tell dem whey him waan land???




dis pilot is reckless and shoudl never be made to fly another plane

[julie*mango]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what will be the consequences to this pilot? </div></div>

send him back to retrain and then put him back ...