"Obama could win because he is light skinned..."

**blugiant** · 01-11-2010, 02:53 PM

Re: "Obama could win because he is light skinned..."

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a wundah when ppl will realize seh de man was selected and not elected </div></div>

iss itt more bout inheritance dan selectshan

**Wendy** · 01-11-2010, 03:51 PM

Re: "Obama could win because he is light skinned..."

Barosa is a good ting mi read before mi comment den mi woulda sound like your echo This is so true!! The authors were asked if dem neva betray Harry Reid because they did say they wouldn't tie anything to a source! Well the response they gave to that question sounded like something coming straight from a cow's behine (figga dat wan out)You got it.. it could cause drama an sell di book. And ditto to your second point.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two points I'll raise, Point #1: The fact that it's being made public when it wasn't supposed to, tells us something about the trustworthiness of those it was told to... It is a crass display of "to hell with you Mr Reid" ; matters of "race and sex" sells, and so we'll throw you under the bus... It was probably done for political reasons.

Point #2: What Reid said was true. It was common knowledge that Obama being half-white, was a big factor in the elections ; it was widely discussed in the media and among journalist of all stripes.. This is being regurgitated for political reasons imo...
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yes Hamano - I was more appalled by Bill's comment than Harry's. Bill as we know is very competetive but not withstanding, it saddens me that he would stoop to this level to win Kennedy's endorsement

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found Bill Clinton's alleged remarks about Obama more bigoted, but not surprising. In trying to win Ted Kennedy's endorsement for his wife during the primaries, Bill Clinton tried to put down Obama, saying: "A few years ago, this guy would be getting the coffee for us." Bill Clinton had used the race card when he felt he needed to. </div></div>

**barosa** · 01-11-2010, 04:48 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wendilina</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barosa is a good ting mi read before mi comment den mi woulda sound like your echo This is so true!! The authors were asked if dem neva betray Harry Reid because they did say they wouldn't tie anything to a source! Well the response they gave to that question sounded like something coming straight from a cow's behine (figga dat wan out)You got it.. it could cause drama an sell di book. And ditto to your second point.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two points I'll raise, Point #1: The fact that it's being made public when it wasn't supposed to, tells us something about the trustworthiness of those it was told to... It is a crass display of "to hell with you Mr Reid" ; matters of "race and sex" sells, and so we'll throw you under the bus... It was probably done for political reasons.

Point #2: What Reid said was true. It was common knowledge that Obama being half-white, was a big factor in the elections ; it was widely discussed in the media and among journalist of all stripes.. This is being regurgitated for political reasons imo...
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yes Hamano - I was more appalled by Bill's comment than Harry's. Bill as we know is very competetive but not withstanding, it saddens me that he would stoop to this level to win Kennedy's endorsement

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found Bill Clinton's alleged remarks about Obama more bigoted, but not surprising. In trying to win Ted Kennedy's endorsement for his wife during the primaries, Bill Clinton tried to put down Obama, saying: "A few years ago, this guy would be getting the coffee for us." Bill Clinton had used the race card when he felt he needed to. </div></div> </div></div>
Yes! Wendilina, it's always best to read ebryting before. I myself have been caught echoing tings dat were alreddi said.... About Bill's utterances, nothing surprises me anymore, whether from him or other "white" politicians or individuals... Lets face it, although there is a tiny percentage of "genuine souls" among them, by and large, they are mostly "racist and selfserving"(imo) ~ The Racial Divide will be with us indefinetely; in other words: for a very, very, very Looooooooong time...
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**R_C** · 01-11-2010, 05:43 PM

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The character and motives of the authors of this book notwithstanding, the fact of the matter is that both Harry Reid and Bill Clinton are being given a pass by Black Democrats. "Negro dialect" ???? "...this <span style="text-decoration: line-through">boy</span> guy would be getting the coffee for us" ???? [censored] !

**Dyoll_73** · 01-11-2010, 06:14 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... the fact of the matter is that both Harry Reid and Bill Clinton are being given a pass by Black Democrats. </div></div>

especially Bill Clinton, the guy who, during the New Hampshire primaries when he was running for president back in '92, left the campaign trail to effectively preside over the execution of a mentally retarded black man, Ricky Ray Rector - I believe was his name.

**H_O** · 01-12-2010, 11:27 AM

Re: "Obama could win because he is light skinned..."

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a wundah when ppl will realize seh de man was selected and not elected </div></div>agreed.

Americas first Black President- A smoke screen for change.
Its called Socialism.

Der Fuhrer Obama [img]http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTf21FiUxLYW0BUAv2FAx./SIG=142gqiugo/EXP=1263393477/**http%3A//www.conservativeimage.com/socialist%2520dictators%2520agree%2520wealth%2520r edistribution%2520works.PNG[/img]

**diabolical_Tanya** · 01-12-2010, 01:29 PM

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Posted Monday, January 11, 2010 6:24 PM
The Ugly Roots of the Light Skin/Dark Skin Divide

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By Allison Samuels

Talk about words that sting to the core. Harry Reid's recent comments about President Barack Obama's light skin and acceptable non-"Negro" vocabulary and speech brought back a rush of memories that I'm sure most African-Americans would like to forget.

Since the days of slavery, skin color has been used as a tool of separation and preferential treatment within the black community. The residue of the "house" versus "field Negro" divide has long remained with us, even as we celebrated black pride in the '70s and hip-hop culture in the '80s. House slaves were usually products of a relationship between a master and a female slave, so they tended to have lighter skin. The boss's offspring would more than likely receive the special favor of doing work inside the house out of the hot sun. They'd eat better, often get taught to read and write, and enjoyed many of the liberties of nonslaves. Slaves with darker skin were usually stuck toiling in the fields. The anger over that old distinction has never quite gone away in African-American culture.

And Reid's recent controversial and disturbing statements prove that no matter how hard we as African-Americans try to move past a racial stigma that's haunted us for far too long, mainstream America just won't let us let it go.

Ironically, I first encountered the light skin/dark skin debate while attending Clark Atlanta University, a historically black college. Prior to that, black was pretty much black in my hometown of Augusta, Ga. But in the big city, skin color&#9472;and all of its perks and disadvantages&#9472;became painfully obvious, even to an 18-year-old girl. Our class presidents were often of a lighter hue and the campus beauty queens were without doubt those with fairer skin, straighter hair and finer features. Was this what I came to a black college for?

It turns out it was. I learned that we as blacks had internalized all those misinformed ideals about color from the mainstream population. I learned the politics of hue and the assumption that lighter means better, more polished, and a more privileged background. I learned that no matter my accomplishments, my dark brown skin would be my resume in certain areas of life. It was a painful lesson&#9472;one made all the worse by the fact that many of the people harboring these feelings were exactly the same shade of brown I was. But I also learned that since those feelings were imposed on us by others, we won't change until the society overall does.

That's exactly why I don't want President Obama to speak out on this matter. What can he can say about an issue that has plagued this country and African-Americans for hundreds of years? How many people would he anger&#9472;no matter how he worded his opinion? Race is a subject on which President Obama just can't win. Unfortunately he'll be forgiving slights like Reid's for as long as he's in office. Do we really want him to comment every time? No. I want my president to focus on terror threats and health care&#9472;not social stereotypes that he can do little to squash. Being the first African-American president really ought to be enough.

Many have said that Reid's statement represents a time long gone, but I beg to differ. Look around at African-Americans on commercials, television shows, and movies and you'll see that the mainstream still employs the attitude that lighter and brighter is better. Even the major news shows seem to hire those with more Eurocentric features. Those same images only reinforce the pain to those of us who don't have that look and feel ignored. They often also result in unfair resentment toward those who do.

Reid's comments also go a long way toward explaining why the likes of the Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are too often dismissed by the mainstream&#9472;no matter how much validity their statements have. Their church-inspired cadence reminds the dominant society of a blackness they are uncomfortable with, and thus they are ignored. Dark skin and a certain way of speaking most often equals "ghetto" and is therefore unacceptable. On the other hand, as Reid himself suggested, Barack Obama was the preferable choice if an African-American were to hold the highest office. His perfect speech and clean-cut look made the mainstream comfortable. There was no ruffling of feathers by being different and certainly not by looking different.

Those antiquated ideas about skin tone are just one reason I took so much interest in writing about first lady Michelle Obama. Though I took my share of heat for it, I felt strongly that her dark brown skin and impeccable work-and-education resume would and could do wonders for those still stuck in the time warp of colorism. There were those who thought a dark brown African-American woman wasn't attractive enough or capable of captivating the national scene. How she's already proved them wrong.

And there is problem in a nutshell. When we only surround ourselves with people who look like us or remind us of ourselves, we miss the opportunity to erase the negative and mostly wrong impressions of those who don't. Sadly in the long run, Reid's comments will be forgotten. The president has accepted his apology (what else could he do?), and the news shows will eventually find something else to focus on. But for brown-skinned people like me, Reid's words will continue to haunt in ways most people will never fully understand.

**Wendy** · 01-12-2010, 02:27 PM

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All I know is Harry Reid's record in the Senate speaks louder. It was an unfortunate and <span style="font-style: italic">clumsy</span> way to say what he wanted to say but there is truth to what he said.

Give you an example.. a white guy in my office who was on the fence between Hillary and Barrack came back and told us that after he went to see Barack in B'more and he was going to vote for him because "I like how he spoke.. he appealed to the broader America and he wasn't talking like the usual black candidates who always focus on black issues". I did some paraphrasing but that was the gist.

He, from that statement, "accepted" Barack perhaps based his “non black” orator . As racially insensitive as Harry Reid’s statement was, if we peel of the skin and get to the meat – he spoke the truth.

**Derek** · 01-12-2010, 05:51 PM

Re: "Obama could win because he is light skinned..."

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a wundah when ppl will realize seh de man was selected and not elected </div></div>agreed.

Americas first Black President- A smoke screen for change.
Its called Socialism.

Der Fuhrer Obama [img]http://ca.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTf21FiUxLYW0BUAv2FAx./SIG=142gqiugo/EXP=1263393477/**http%3A//www.conservativeimage.com/socialist%2520dictators%2520agree%2520wealth%2520r edistribution%2520works.PNG[/img] </div></div>

No more selected than anyone else. Take Hitler. The biggest improbability of traditional history is that an Austrian tramp, street cleaner and gay prostitute could become the Chancellor of Germany.

**Dr.Dudd** · 01-12-2010, 06:21 PM

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The wealth redistribution process started with your favourite Ronald Reagan. He destroyed the Unions and put investors rights above workers.
It is not mew to the Us ..
Since it caused the 1030 depression, but these illiterates didn't know that.
So the factory produced MBAs, that the only skill they received, as how to function as a gang.
Anything goes as long as it get the primary job of making the most instantly.
Mow they realize that the re is more tnan the immediate.

and they decide to completely change the way MBAs are trained.

But what Are they going to do with the present lot?? They are good for nothing, but probably craps table.

Since they have been proven to be not even good guessers.

**diabolical_Tanya** · 01-12-2010, 06:29 PM

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how can something that started with Reganomics have caused the 1030 depression???????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????
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**Dr.Dudd** · 01-12-2010, 06:54 PM

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Because just because Reagan start it this time does not mean the same thing was not in place long ago.

the difference is it was removed because of what it did then. Reagan came back and reintroduce in and we are back to square one again.

before.
It is just that laws were change after the 1930's, including workers and union rights.
and Reagan and the other repubs,with pressuring Clinton at one stage to do a part too.
So since I need to do in in elementary style.
I hope you understand it now. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> how can something that started with Reganomics have caused the 1030 depression???????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????
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**j-kid** · 01-13-2010, 01:25 AM

Re: "Obama could win because he is light skinned..."

Was his statement really racist, or was he stating a fact?

Most of us know what time it is and hav heard this in our communities.

So what, crucify him for spilling the beans, about how many of the mindsets are within his culture and surroundings? Wrong or right, that is the reality of things. If you don't think so, check past and more recent history.

Look at the man's history. He has done more to further the cause of Blacks, than many who are calling him a racist.

**Dr.Dudd** · 01-13-2010, 11:08 AM

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In theUs racism is all about vocalizing what is known and practiced. Fox news tried to open a new front on it.

by stating that reid was insulting white people with the remark.
I wonder how many white people that voted for thePresident was humiliated?
I will wager the only ones that it bother are those that would not vote for him, because he is not white. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was his statement really racist, or was he stating a fact?

Most of us know what time it is and hav heard this in our communities.

So what, crucify him for spilling the beans, about how many of the mindsets are within his culture and surroundings? Wrong or right, that is the reality of things. If you don't think so, check past and more recent history.

Look at the man's history. He has done more to further the cause of Blacks, than many who are calling him a racist.
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**Wendy** · 01-13-2010, 11:46 AM

Re: "Obama could win because he is light skinned..."

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was his statement really racist, or was he stating a fact?

Most of us know what time it is and hav heard this in our communities.

So what, crucify him for spilling the beans, about how many of the mindsets are within his culture and surroundings? Wrong or right, that is the reality of things. If you don't think so, check past and more recent history.

Look at the man's history. He has done more to further the cause of Blacks, than many who are calling him a racist.
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So mi did a sey to J_Kid.

Eleanor Holmes Norton who is the Delegate to Congress representing the District of Columbia was highly complimentary of him because im always a work wid har toe to toe fi get DC rights and futher black causes in the District [and other parts of the nation]. She said she is considering the <span style="text-decoration: underline">source</span> of the statement and not the unfortunate way in which it was said.

Shi cuss aff Michael Steele and sey how im a come run up fi im mout an im a represent a party dat fight against black causes tooth and nail. All mi coulda sey was - AMEN <span style="font-size: 11pt">sista Norton!! </span>

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