fiyah pon faddar day

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mii eard wan ooman wass cumplainn dat ar yuths fadder nah mind imm yuths ann shii sed yu cood tell dat itt wass imm yuths cah dem favevah imm.

mii tell ar iff shii eard bout dna cah dem ole thyme argument bout yuths favevah de faddar nah run no more. noo dna test no money sspeciallee since 37 percent aff yaawd faddar gitt jacket

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HEAD of Fathers Incorporated Dr Herbert Gayle said there are many misconceptions about Jamaican fathers as the culture is not one which relays clean and objective information about men as parents.

This, he argued, comes even as studies show that Jamaican fathers are even better than their European counterparts in some aspects and, in other facets, on par with the rest of the world.

Fathers Inc head Dr Herbert Gayle gesticulates as he addresses yesterday’s Obverver Monday Exchange. At centre is Rev Dave Spence of Meadowbrook United Church, while at left is Solomon McCalla of Fathers Inc. (Photo: Naphtali Junior)

Gayle said 65 per cent of all children in Jamaica have access to their biological fathers and that is higher than a lot of European countries, while 55 per cent of Jamaican households have fathers, which is on par with the rest of the world.

"As for stepfathers, there are men taking up women with five and six children but that is not very common in Europe," he said.

Gayle, who was among a group addressing the Observer Monday Exchange held yesterday at the newspaper's head offices in Kingston on issues surrounding fatherhood, said 80 per cent of young people interviewed in a recent study said their fathers provided for them.

"But you couldn't go in public and say that Jamaican fathers are better than Europeans," he added.

This, according to Gayle, is because there is the romanticism about mothers which is not evident among Jamaican fathers.

"I have friends who have no mother but when them go a dance them say 'big up me mother', but there is no such thing for a father," Gayle argued.

One reason for this, he explained, was that mothering is 90 per cent biological while fathering is 90 per cent social.

But with Jamaicans ranked as the 12th most immigrating people and the universities turning out more women than men, Gayle said more women are migrating, giving rise to an increase in single father households.

"In that case you have to begin to look more closely at male parenting," he said, pointing out that it was not until 2006 that Fathers Inc was invited as an organisation to the launch of Parents Month activities "and Fathers Inc has been at this since 1991", Gayle said.

While fathers are defined by four roles -- namely provider, protector, nurturer and role model -- Gayle said everything is defined solely on the financial expectations of a man.

A 2004 St Catherine study, he said, revealed that fathers who were less financially sound got a lower rating than absentee fathers who provided financial support.

"Fathers who were local but broke got four out of 10 as a score and we are talking about fathers who comb hair, wash and do everything; but fathers who live in the US, make one phone call per week but send money home got scores of nine out of 10," he said.

Gayle, who is also an anthropologist of social violence, said the perception has been passed down throughout generations that a man who is unemployed is half a man and is blocking a full man from coming into the house.

These, he explained further, are some of the issues that fathers voice to the Fathers Inc on a regular basis.

"They come and call us in tears saying they going to have to go tief because they already hear the mother and children discussing [that] dem no serve no purpose," Gayle said.

Mothers, on the other hand, have one massive social expectation of nurturing, and when a mother does that as well as work she is greatly recognised. "I have worked with people who have scars on their bodies where their mothers stab and burn them with clothes iron yet to them they are the greatest mothers on earth," he said.

Gayle also said boys who did not have fathers were not any less nurturing to their children, especially when their first child is a girl.

He cited the instances of some of the street boys, who are themselves fathers, and spoke of the nurturing, loving approach they had towards their children."When the first child is a girl it has a bigger dent on them as fathers and so they say my father was absent but under no circumstance will I do that to my child," he explained.

Many of these boys, he said, were drafted into the role of providers at a very early age to take care of their mothers and siblings when fathers were absent from the home.

Monica Campbell-McFarlane of EntXpress Productions Limited said a new vision is needed of how to elevate the role and necessity of both parents, and create the environment where both can be on an equal footing. "There has to be a concerted effort in the society to put forward what is that new blueprint of a mother and father and how fathers can be empowered to fulfil their roles," she said.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 2004 St Catherine study, he said, revealed that fathers who were less financially sound got a lower rating than absentee fathers who provided financial support.

&quot;Fathers who were local but broke got four out of 10 as a score and we are talking about fathers who comb hair, wash and do everything; but fathers who live in the US, make one phone call per week but send money home got scores of nine out of 10,&quot; he said.</div></div>

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As long as They are black men the Jamaican media have nothing favourable This say about them.

After all they have so much invested in the repression of that group That saying otherwise would be self defeating.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As long as They are black men the Jamaican media have nothing favourable This say about them.

After all they have so much invested in the repression of that group That saying otherwise would be self defeating. </div></div>

mii wance didd wan tredd widd a studee dat showed dat among awl racial group blakk men were da moas invalved inn dem yuths lives butt dat tredd gitt veree few respanse. wii affii find a way fii ovacum oyinbo media racist labelinn aff blakk faddar

dudd wat doo yu feel bout blakk oomen wey diss blakk fadder ar baby fadders cah dem feel dem muss force blakk men fii bee respansible instead earning respect bye beeinn good mother dat blakk men will respect?

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compared to what i know of jamaican men, they definitely get a harsh treatment from the media....

if you go by the media you would think a majority of jamaicans don't know their fathers or ever received any support from them

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