country with a backbone says no to extradition

**neutral** · 07-13-2010, 07:19 AM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Yes, but you have to wonder what the US threatened/scared Golding with to make him change his mind. </div></div>

I have considered that scenario,however,all the legal extradition avenues were not yet exhausted,the ja gov insisted that the evidence gained against dudus were through illegal means and goes against jamaican legal process,a process which the US clearly do not respect.
Dudus`s extradition was obviously not in the national interest of jamaica,he was of no interest to the jamaican police previously,and the gov knew that his extradition would not conclude peacefully,why compromise the safety of jamaicans and risk the deaths of innocent people to extradite a man who previously posed no risk.
Why the sudden interest in some little drug peddler from one of the poorest parts of jamaica,as black star suggested,hasnt the US enough on their plates with enough foreign policy committments they have dabbled in.

**Jazz** · 07-13-2010, 08:53 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An accused peadolphile ????? alledgely tried to bribe his victim ????

This is like the case of that Cuban kid being returned to cuba....

Polanski should be extridited.... and face courts.... </div></div>

I concur... original charges include rape and sodomy and he drugged the girl to take advantage of her...

He was guilty and that's why he ran - so by all means let's applaud the Swiss for cuckolding a pedophile simply because he has the money and the means to buy whomever ***DISGUSTED***

And for the record IMO Jamaica was right agree to extradite Dudus.
Anybody that commit criminal acts deserve to stand trial for it WHEREVER!

So mi seet.

If and when Jamaica decides to take a stand against the US I sincerely hope it won't be to defend a criminal.

**neutral** · 07-13-2010, 09:41 AM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

And for the record IMO Jamaica was right agree to extradite Dudus.
Anybody that commit criminal acts deserve to stand trial for it WHEREVER!

So mi seet.

If and when Jamaica decides to take a stand against the US I sincerely hope it won't be to defend a criminal.

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For the record jazz,the man has not been found guilty of any crimes as yet,so he can hardly be described as a criminal......,if the US decided to request extradition for all the people in jamaica comitting "criminal acts"......there wouldnt be anyone left in jamaica.

**Jazz** · 07-13-2010, 09:51 AM

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I would think that they would have to provide some sort of proof to the other government before asking for extradition... obviously it can;t just be based on suspicions and their say so.

ON the flip side - there can;t be a trial until you have someone on custody...

**Wahalla** · 07-13-2010, 10:59 AM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jazz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would think that they would have to provide some sort of proof to the other government before asking for extradition... obviously it can;t just be based on suspicions and their say so.

ON the flip side - there can;t be a trial until you have someone on custody... </div></div>

Wanna bet that he walks ????

Also fi a rich man how come im ah get public defenda ???

Blackstar* · 07-13-2010, 11:26 AM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">An accused peadolphile ?????</span></div></div>Actually a *convicted* pedophile...

Anyway, the US did not make its case, hence the Swiss said no to the extradition. According to Golding, the US did not make its case against Dudus, and now we have hundreds dead, a community destroyed, etc. over an *alleged* drug dealer.

Too many double-standards about the place; it's disgusting.

**neutral** · 07-13-2010, 11:37 AM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Too many double-standards about the place; it's disgusting. </div></div>

True,it would appear that the outcome of any extradition request from the US hinges on the wealth and/or power of the country the extradition is being made to,it's not only disgusting,..it's sheer hypocrisy.

**barosa** · 07-13-2010, 02:24 PM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Too many double-standards about the place; it's disgusting. </div></div>
True,it would appear that the outcome of any extradition request from the US hinges on the wealth and/or power of the country the extradition is being made to,it's not only disgusting,..it's sheer hypocrisy.
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Natral, your latest comment above is more reflective of the reality with "Jamaica and the US" vs the reality of the "Swiss with the Americans". I am sure you realized that Jamaica being a third world country within the sphere of influence of the US is not comparative with the geo-political situation of Switzerland, a European member nation.. I like some of our Jamaican "nationalists" would like if we could defy Uncle to let them know "who we are", but common sense should tell us, that wont fly...

I know it's painful to accept that we are not as influential or important as many of us would like to think of ourselves in the universal scheme of things.. Grant it, I believe that Polansky should be extradited for his heinous crimes, but the Swiss govt knows that he has a lot of sympathetic supporters all over Europe, especially in France and if they resist extradition, there is not much the US can do about it.

We in Jamaica, hasn't got the good fortune of the Swiss in belonging to a powerful block like the EU... ~ In fact, we are in the same league with Banana republics like Panama, Haiti and the rest if the US should ever decide that they want to get any of our "bad guys".... <span style="font-weight: bold">There is nothing we could do about it and that's the crux of our extradition situations; we thumb our noses at them at our own expense and demise...</span> and that's the living truth...
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Just like oil, the truth always float to the top.

**neutral** · 07-13-2010, 02:28 PM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Too many double-standards about the place; it's disgusting. </div></div>
True,it would appear that the outcome of any extradition request from the US hinges on the wealth and/or power of the country the extradition is being made to,it's not only disgusting,..it's sheer hypocrisy.
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Natral, your latest comment above is more reflective of the reality with "Jamaica and the US" vs the reality of the "Swiss with the Americans". I am sure you realized that Jamaica being a third world country within the sphere of influence of the US is not comparative with the geo-political situation of Switzerland, a European member nation.. I like some of our Jamaican "nationalists" would like if we could defy Uncle to let them know "who we are", but common sense should tell us, that wont fly...

I know it's painful to accept that we are not as influential or important as many of us would like to think of ourselves in the universal scheme of things.. Grant it, I believe that Polansky should be extradited for his heinous crimes, but the Swiss govt knows that he has a lot of sympathetic supporters all over Europe, especially in France and if they resist extradition, there is not much the US can do about it.

We in Jamaica, hasn't got the good fortune of the Swiss in belonging to a powerful block like the EU... ~ In fact, we are in the same league with Banana republics like Panama, Haiti and the rest if the US should ever decide that they want to get any of our "bad guys".... <span style="font-weight: bold">There is nothing we could do about it and that's the crux of our extradition situations; we thumb our noses at them at our own expense and demise...</span> and that's the living truth...
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I totally agree with you barosa,I truly wish it wasnt so but unfortunately it but this only makes a mockery of our so-called "independent" status.

**Q3210** · 07-16-2010, 08:56 PM

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Golding was willing to stick out for the rights of a Jamaican citizen, then he did an about turn and sucked himself under US and local pressure and signed the go ahead for the court to proceed extradition on Mr.Coke.
Never before, had a Jamaican Prime Minister ever stood up for one of his subjects under request for extradition, questioning the legality of the evidence presented.
What started out with backbone, ended up like jellyfish.

**R_C** · 07-17-2010, 11:39 AM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....the US did not make its case, hence the Swiss said no to the extradition....</div></div>

I think there may be more to this than the sufficiency of the evidence against Polanski.

Switzerland and the US are involved in a kind of low level diplomatic war over their bank secrecy laws and Switzerland has been taking a very hard line in this dispute so there may be a financial angle to this story. There are many thousands of Americans who have secret bank accounts there and the American government is pressuring the Swiss to cough up their names. If they do then a couple hundred years of Swiss banking tradition goes out the door and that is a big deal to them. So maybe their decision with Polanski is somehow wrapped up into this ongoping dispute.

**johnnycakes** · 07-17-2010, 01:12 PM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Golding was willing to stick out for the rights of a Jamaican citizen, then he did an about turn and sucked himself under US and local pressure and signed the go ahead for the court to proceed extradition on Mr.Coke.
Never before, had a Jamaican Prime Minister ever stood up for one of his subjects under request for extradition, questioning the legality of the evidence presented.
What started out with backbone, ended up like jellyfish. </div></div>

Q3210,
I think what your post is missing are the (alleged) links between Coke and the JLP and Golding.
Golding, had he succeeded in waiting out the U.S. extradition request successfully would have avoided the possibility of Coke revealing some very embarrassing information linking the government and him.

Having refused the extradition request for so long, it would appear to some that he was helping Coke and Coke might therefore, out of loyalty, not reveal anything embarrassing and politically fatal to Golding (and the JLP) .

I wonder how long Coke can hold out under waterboarding before he tells all.

**Q3210** · 07-17-2010, 09:13 PM

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If he happens to tell, will it be made public?
Nay, I`d think.
Muzzling will be aplenty

**johnnycakes** · 07-17-2010, 11:19 PM

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Well,
If he tells all in court, it will be made public. The story would be too big a money maker for the sensationalist press to miss out on.
After all it would be about Jamaican wrongdoing which is of little consequence or interest to the U.S. public except for the sensational aspect of something like a prime minister being in bed (no homophobes, not literally) with a big gang leader.
Of course were there anything about the CIA, it would be silenced, not brought up in court.

**britisha** · 07-19-2010, 01:25 PM

Re: country with a backbone says no to extradition

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good for the Swiss.
The US needs to extradite some of its criminals - like the CEO of the chemical company responsible for Bhopal - before pursuing foolishness all over the world. </div></div>

Here HEAR!!

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