Good Bye US Middle Class

[johnnycakes]

Re: Good Bye US Middle Class

jamaica_dreamin,

If you've read my posts on a regular basis, you'd know that I am in favor of democratic socialism and that there is only a very small percentage of both posters at Jamaicans.com and the U.S public as a whole who have a favorable opinion of socialism.

As you have experienced, they also were raised in a country where anti-socialism is taught from a very early age.

(The obstetrician lifts the baby from the mother, whacks him on the bottom and says" That's what you'll get if you even think about being a socialist&quot

What pisses you off about the banks and people buying up houses at bargain prices is due to the fact that it's all part of capitalism.

Were this a socialist country, houses would be sold or assigned on the basis of need and the amount of money you have would not be a factor.
Neither would anyone be allowed to own more than a couple of houses if that meant someone else would be homeless.

It is just luck that has given you a good landlord. When it comes to money and if you didn't pay the rent, as good a man as he may be he would have to evict you..

The difference is also easily pointed out by how I sign off.

"In the world today millions of children sleep in the streets.
Not one is Cuban"

In a socialist economy, the needs of the people are what is the top priority.
In the United States, in capitalism making piles of money is the top priority.

That's the important thing to remember.
All the rest is detail.

[Wendy]

Re: Good Bye US Middle Class

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pleXxed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WeNdY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Canada will be the next super power </div></div>

<span style="font-style: italic">&quot;Canada will be the next super power &quot;</span>
- Wendy </div></div>
BOAL Yuh si how much time unu a quote pan dis

<span style="font-size: 8pt"><span style="font-style: italic">Wanda if mi wi get a noble prize if mi prediction come out right </span></span>

[jamaica_dreamin]

Re: Good Bye US Middle Class

It is just luck that has given you a good landlord. When it comes to money and if you didn't pay the rent, as good a man as he may be he would have to evict you.

I know that. We have never paid him late. But he has said if we are ever going to be a little late that he would not charge us a late fee as long as we let him know. His employee (who used to be a tenant of his) had also told us that. He at least seems like he is willing to work with people (but we have not tested him on that)

Of course we are paying him good rent too. I know people paying less for these units.

[jamaica_dreamin]

Re: Good Bye US Middle Class

What pisses you off about the banks and people buying up houses at bargain prices is due to the fact that it's all part of capitalism.

I know people who were preapproved with decent down payment who offered slightly more than cash buyers and were shut out.

[barosa]

Re: Good Bye US Middle Class

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">There is no such thing as greed as a bad thing under capitalism.

You cannot be too greedy when the name of the game is getting more money than the next guy.

It is drummed into our heads from birth. The idea is to be the guy driving the Maserati and not the guy filling the gas tank.</span>
Greed is GOOD.
It's standing the teachings of the Bible on their heads.

Jesus threw the corporations out of the temple.

Today the corporations own the temples.

And we believe its a good thing.

Yes it would be nice were people less greedy but that sort of thinking is discouraged under capitalism.

it takes a socialist economy and a humane and kindly way of thinking about our fellow humans to get rid of much of the greed.

That's not what Americans think they want.
It's not what they are told from birth that they want.</div></div>
JC, Your points are valid and I agree that &quot;greed is good&quot; in the American concept of success... I will say and believe it to be true that &quot;greed&quot; was the underlying motive for &quot;slavery&quot; due to the &quot;economic bonanza&quot; derived from it by all &quot;slavers&quot; and their societies in general. ~ `My perception is, that the Capitalist System will be with us in some form, as far as we can see into the future.. With that in mind, my statement of &quot;less greed&quot; is predicated on the hope that the &quot;system&quot; will eventually see the need to be &quot;less greedy&quot; so that the &quot;poverty line&quot; can be blurred and stave off institutional and personal disasters... It would be the Christian thing to do, but I wont hold my breath...
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Just like oil, the truth always float to the top.

[johnnycakes]

Re: Good Bye US Middle Class

barosa:
&quot;My perception is, that the Capitalist System will be with us in some form, as far as we can see into the future.. With that in mind, my statement of &quot;less greed&quot; is predicated on the hope that the &quot;system&quot; will eventually see the need to be &quot;less greedy&quot; so that the &quot;poverty line&quot; can be blurred and stave off institutional and personal disasters... It would be the Christian thing to do, but I wont hold my breath...


Well Barosa,
The &quot;system&quot; that will &quot;eventually see the need to be less greedy&quot; is comprised of individuals and corporations who will have no reason on an individual basis to be less greedy .That there are ample moral reasons for them to be less greedy is not in question but the system itself forces those individuals to comply with the greed-is-all scenario.

Corporations are forced by law to pay their workers as little as necessary and have more profits go to the stock holders. (Stockholders Vs. Ford 1929).

As for capitalism being with us for the foreseeable future, forget it.

It doesn't work. Things are getting worse in poor capitalist countries. Countries like Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil etc are all moving toward socialism and away from the neo-liberal capitalism previously enforced by the United States.

IMO-The change will come and it will come in very rapid order once started.
Once people understand the truth of what works and what doesn't work, what is moral and what is immoral, once they have that knowledge the change will come very quickly.

If you, like me, believe that knowing the truth will set us all free, think about this:
There is a man who predicts scientific advances and has written a few books about what will happen and has predicted many things that have come to pass in the 20 nor 30 years he has been writing. He has been very accurate since he writes based on scientific things and the nature in which knowledge build upon knowledge. ( The Wright Brothers built upon ideas that came before them and the jet planes in which we fly today all descended or rather evolved from the early designs, micro step by micro step.)

In his latest predictions this man (I cannot remember his name) predicted that in 30 years we will achieve what I believe he called &quot;fusion&quot;.

In this process nanotechnology will have developed computer-like devices so small that they can be injected into the bloodstream and moved to receptors in the brain where they can interlink with computers with infinite data.
People will be able to instantly hook up with all data worldwide and thereby learn all there is to know about a given subject in short order.

The truth about anything important such as capitalism vs socialism will be common knowledge.

Once that knowledge is gained the world changes.

All the wars, all the greed, all the ills of Earth based upon ignorance go away.

30 years from now I'll be 96.
I'll have my nurse post an &quot;I told you so&quot; from the Old Socialists Folk's Home

[JamBrit]

Re: Good Bye US Middle Class

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
JamBrit,

The <span style="text-decoration: underline">Democrats and the Republicans both overwhelmingly support capitalism </span>and regard any thing like socialist programs as something to fight against , not for.
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So it seems JC...so it seems...it's all about the bottom line ($$) for their benefit and well being, that is their <span style="text-decoration: underline">real agenda and priority.</span>

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SO given that all this is true and it is, how could anyone have expected Obama to be other than what he turned out to be?</div></div>

As I said, I've always had little faith in politicians, but in BO I saw hope...however, after the bank bailout, the joke of a healthcare bill, the continuation of the Iraq and Afghan wars (where billions of our taxpayer $$ are being wasted and could be used to fund health, education, energy polices/programs and just maintenance of our own infrastructure, which I beleive would help secure more jobs, etc.)..I'm losing hope.