From Jamaica to Sudan...

[Wahalla]

Re: From Jamaica to Sudan...

I dismiss Garvey because the Rebel leader never mentioned him... my experience is that Garvey is seen as irrelevant by Africans.. The Rebel leader heard Jamaica and related it to Bob....not garvey....Rebel leaders listen to bob not read Garvey... Rebel leaders in Africa were once students of Mao, Marx and Guevara with Garvey as secondar.. Now they are more likely to subscribe to islamic proto fundamentalism or some ethno-struggle than a

And no I cant get past the count of congo or the duke of Dakar......and other such Christopheque pronounced medival royalist bestowed titles done in a far-off continent,titles bestowed based on donations...

Soldiers exploit, kill and rape.... sending peace keepers based on the miltary places soldiers to keep peace is like asking butchers to care for cows...

[Dr.Dudd]

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You certainly Contribe To it.

It depends on your reaction when there is negative news about Jamaica or someone of Jamaican ethnicity.

If you believed in tgd goodness of the majority of Jamaicans You would have changed That percepation by your action.

That is How it is In My neighborhood.

The local police departments have s problem keeping it's members on roster during the summer seasons.

Last year a local police department punished almost a quarter of the staff fir going to Jamaica at the same Time.

They all attended the wedding of a fellow officer .

The problem is that Jamaicans living around here Dont hide our ethnicity When these is a negative report involving a Jamaican accused.

We stand up to show the positives That Jamaicans Contribute to the community.

As a result the society see the greater good we contribute and it overcome the negatives.

As s result we are well respected by the soicity irrespective of What is the negative in season.

Yes even during the dudus uprisings They simply ask us our background knowledge of the situation.

And they simply saw it fir what it was.

Organized crime's violent reaction to police action.
They know about That up here too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gad_Bless_Pickny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read it this morning and mi head swell big!

<span style="font-weight: bold">Where I live (not in Jamaica), to say you are from Jamaica is equal to saying you are from (name your utopia). </span>
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I wish it were that way where I live! </div></div>

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dismiss Garvey because the Rebel leader never mentioned him... my experience is that Garvey is seen as irrelevant by Africans.. The Rebel leader heard Jamaica and related it to Bob....not garvey....Rebel leaders listen to bob not read Garvey... .. </div></div>


joke ting dis...

when bob's philosophies were heavily fueled by garvey his prophet...

the power of art--music-- is always more universal than plain oratory &amp; politics;
but garvey awoke people like nkrumah &amp; kenyatta
and can in no way be dismissed

[blugiant]

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mii natt qwestianinn de info inn da artikkle. wat mii qwestianinn iss da purpose aff de artikkle fe use da blakk ooman fe bigg upp oyinbo ting ann fe tri fe spinn wat a gawn inn tivoli fe mekk itt appear palatable

wat wass de role aff de &quot;afrikan-jamaica in the global liberation struggle..?&quot;


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i don't think there is enough info in the article to conclude if she exploited the sudanese rebel group or the people of tivoli...
hopefully those parties were astute enough to maintain there own interests..

of course it's a possibity -- but what i took away from the article is that afrika recognizes &amp; respects the role of afrikan-jamaica in the global liberation struggle...

to be continued on the other points </div></div>

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
wat wass de role aff de &quot;afrikan-jamaica in the global liberation struggle..?&quot;


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marcus garvey influenced the wave of african independence leaders that came in the 1940's 1950's &amp; 60's...not to mention blacks all over the world...
but his influence did not stop with africans;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the early 1920s another Asian came to the U.S. while in exile for his work to free Vietnam from French colonialism. <span style="font-weight: bold">Ho Chi Minh lived in the ghettoes of Chicago and Harlem, became an admirer of Black leader Marcus Garvey,</span> and wrote one of the earliest books on racism in the United States (it was published in the Soviet Union). During the U.S. war on Vietnam he was seen as a hero by Blacks and other Americans opposed to the war, who often considered it a racist war and identified with its victims</div></div>

j'can author j.a. rogers also influenced many blacks with his books...
bob marley's effect on zimbabwe is well documented...
the rastafarian movement also freed up many minds on the four corners of the globe;

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but garvey awoke people like nkrumah &amp; kenyatta </div></div>


Not to mention Ghandi.
I often wonder if Garvey's name ever comes up when Indians discuss their Father of the Nation?

[Dr.Dudd]

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If UT did Garvey would have been rightly credited with ghandi's nonviolent philosophy.

Since that was the source of ghandi's most effective tool.

Garvey was practicing nonviolence long before ghandi.
It us Just That the US authorities did nit react in the sane way aes the British .
So There were no mass arrests of garveyites I the US. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but garvey awoke people like nkrumah &amp; kenyatta </div></div>


Not to mention Ghandi.
I often wonder if Garvey's name ever comes up when Indians discuss their Father of the Nation? </div></div>

[franksterr]

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It is a pleasure to read posters who know their history, as oppose to those who regurgitate propaganda and continue to keep alive Lies meant to rob us of the impetus to accomplish what we Will.
My respects to jah_yout, Derek, and Dr Dudds

To those who continue to do the work of the imperialist, whether knowingly or unknowingly, I also appreciate your contribution as it provides a wonderful opportunity to expose the lies by shredding them with facts.

ALL IN ALL IS JUST ALL LOVE

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> the afrikan connection can't be downplayed...

the bond is stronger due to common roots...

garvey inspired a host of of eventual african leaders...

bob marley inspired countless african freedom fighters...

these men are highly respected icons in africa even though barely appreciated by jamaicans...

like the ethiopian emperor said when he visited jamaica:

<span style="font-style: italic">there is a bond gratitude,a bond of brotherhood.<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">The people of Jamaica,by the large, have originated in Africa</span>.</span>This again gives us another basis upon which we can contract a healthy relation,a relation that is not only going to be useful to our respective peoples but a relation,<span style="font-weight: bold">because of the fundamental similarity between us</span>, that will in the long run contribute to a better maintenance of international peace and security</span>. </div></div>

History seperates us.. All poltics is local....

A group of men in a far off city auction off Africa into parcels, grant titles to men who have never seen Africa or those who paid..bettering Africans..And named a ruler who never saw Africa...That is the story of the Berlin Treaty.. and the UNIA....

[Q3210]

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We refuse to emulate, instead we condemn and emasculate.
We look back and not recognize the opportunity that lies going forward.
We tear down, rather than build up.
Why?
Because of who did what.
We refuse to admit that we were and continue to be inferior as a collective people choosing to complain about the past and not grasping the present so as to build a path to a future of economic development and mutual trust.
Blame Blame! Gets us nowhere.
When will we attempt to switch into top gear and move on with earnesty and fortitude?

[franksterr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We refuse to emulate, instead we condemn and emasculate.
We look back and not recognize the opportunity that lies going forward.
We tear down, rather than build up.
Why?
Because of who did what.
We refuse to admit that we were and continue to be inferior as a collective people choosing to complain about the past and not grasping the present so as to build a path to a future of economic development and mutual trust.
Blame Blame! Gets us nowhere.
When will we attempt to switch into top gear and move on with earnesty and fortitude? </div></div>

I will not emulate the wicked,
and will continually condemn his wicked ways
The future IS NOW - Grasp the almighty present.
All evil is deserving of being torn down
I am inferior to NO ONE, nor are my people inferior to any people.
In the search for truth, the wicked will feel the guilt of his actions.
I must know my persecutors, and I must speak the truth to all loudly in the marketplace....evildoers must not have a hiding place...
Have'nt you notice we are in high gear, Emancipated No longer slaves, Afrika no longer a colonial vassal and a black reside in the white house.....A LUTA CONTINUA

The question is.....WHAT ARE YOU WAITING ON?

[WiseJamaican]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gad_Bless_Pickny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read it this morning and mi head swell big!

Where I live (not in Jamaica), to say you are from Jamaica is equal to saying you are from (name your utopia). Its a pity that some Jamaicans do not hold our country in the same high esteem other nations do. It is a pity that my blessed little country is raveged by so much violence and that illiterates keep trying to pull its name into the mud!.

GOD BLESS JAMAICA!
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It is better you use the word Ignorant than illiterates. Those who are bringing down the country are not illiterates but well educated persons (ignorant) who believe that the more they have is the higher their status will be. No illiterate know how to pull a gun unless he/she is taught how to do it.

[WiseJamaican]

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There is no country in this world that a Jamaican is not there. There is no successful story that a Jamaican is not a part of. This is why am proud to be a Jamaican no matter what. Love is what we need to start practicing amongst each other.

[mamatun]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WiseJamaican</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gad_Bless_Pickny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read it this morning and mi head swell big!

Where I live (not in Jamaica), to say you are from Jamaica is equal to saying you are from (name your utopia). Its a pity that some Jamaicans do not hold our country in the same high esteem other nations do. It is a pity that my blessed little country is raveged by so much violence and that illiterates keep trying to pull its name into the mud!.

GOD BLESS JAMAICA!
</div></div>

It is better you use the word Ignorant than illiterates. Those who are bringing down the country are not illiterates but well educated persons (ignorant) who believe that the more they have is the higher their status will be. No illiterate know how to pull a gun unless he/she is taught how to do it. </div></div>

Ignorance is definately a sign of illiteracy! Being able to read and write does not make literate!

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gad_Bless_Pickny</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WiseJamaican</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gad_Bless_Pickny</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read it this morning and mi head swell big!

Where I live (not in Jamaica), to say you are from Jamaica is equal to saying you are from (name your utopia). Its a pity that some Jamaicans do not hold our country in the same high esteem other nations do. It is a pity that my blessed little country is raveged by so much violence and that illiterates keep trying to pull its name into the mud!.

GOD BLESS JAMAICA!
</div></div>

It is better you use the word Ignorant than illiterates. Those who are bringing down the country are not illiterates but well educated persons (ignorant) who believe that the more they have is the higher their status will be. No illiterate know how to pull a gun unless he/she is taught how to do it. </div></div>

Ignorance is definately a sign of illiteracy! <span style="font-weight: bold">Being able to read and write does not make literate!</span> </div></div>