natt educating blakk children

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">...there is no gaurantee that if the class struggle is resolved, that the racial aspects will go away....for as we see in Cuba, Russia and China Ethnocentrism (tribalism), Xenophobia and Racism still remains.</span> </div></div>Thank you for this - very well stated. </div></div>

one of the few times I agree with her to the point I wont dispute the minutae.... Hi

[johnnycakes]

Re: natt educating blakk children

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">johnnycakes<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Race is only a secondary factor in why black youths are not getting an education. </div></div>

Thats has been the bone of contention between blacks nationalism(race struggle, back-to-Africa) and black communism(class struggle, workers unite), and has split the black movement many times through - out history.
Which truly is Primary?
I look at it this way..It is primarily and fundamentally a class struggle, in Global reality and human context. Nevertheless it is expressed as a race struggle to blacks primarily and fundamentally.......... as such IT MUST first be addressed and solved as a Race struggle before dealing with classism.
As there is no gaurantee that if the class struggle is resolved, that the racial aspects will go away....for as we see in Cuba, Russia and China Ethnocentrism (tribalism), Xenophobia and Racism still remains. </div></div>




I beg to differ.
I believe that the class struggle comes first.
In the first place the vast majority of any population both black and white will rally to any economic improvement in their lives.
Things like the Cubans did such as limiting rents or eliminating them, guaranteeing education and health care that immediately and visibly raised the level of existence for all and that was, in part, what drove the popularity of the Cuban Revolution.
That economic equality in a very big way eliminated the economic deprivation due to racism which in the rest of the world further exacerbates the problem.
I cannot speak to the totalitarian Chinese or Soviet socialist models which so differed from today's Cuba.

Racism is much tougher to eradicate than is economic deprivation.,
I cannot think of a single nation where racism has been eradicated .
It has not been done and, in large part, because racism has manifested itself in an economic way. It persists because blacks and browns are relegated to the lower paying jobs, the poorer neighborhoods, the unemployment, the prison terms all due to economic inequality. The end of racism is achievable only once economic parity is reached otherwise the ghettoes, the second class educational opportunities, the poor neighborhood environmental issues of drugs and gangs persist as the vicious cycle that it is.

Looking at the big picture I believe the problem is a lack of democracy.
Capitalism is not democratic
Multi-party electoral forms wherein the parties chose the candidates and the rich own them are not democratic.
No one ever voted on whether or not half the world should suffer trying to live on a dollar or two a day.

[R_C]

Re: natt educating blakk children

If I might direct the discussion back to the minutiae (and the title of the thread) for the moment. One of the inconvenient truths about the graduation rates of black (males especially) from urban school systems is that the teachers, principals, school boards, city councils and in many cases the mayors, are often as black as the students and have options and power that did not obtain generations ago. But with more power has oftentimes come less results.

Case in point is Washington DC. The school district for many years now was headed by a black chancellor, reporting to a black school board, overseen by a predominantly black city council and a black mayor. Two years ago (I think), an asian-american took over as chancellor. She spent an enormous amount of time and energy upgrading the physical infrastructure of the schools and incentivizing teachers to upgrade their skills. Test scores and graduation rates improved. Recently she let go literally hundreds of underperforming teachers. The push back from the keepers of the status quo – mostly black – has been fierce. And if the polls are anything to go by, the chancellor will probably lose her job as the current mayor may not win in November and his opponent will most likely get rid of her based on statements he has made in the past.

Go figure.

[Blackstar*]

Re: natt educating blakk children

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">...there is no gaurantee that if the class struggle is resolved, that the racial aspects will go away....for as we see in Cuba, Russia and China Ethnocentrism (tribalism), Xenophobia and Racism still remains.</span> </div></div><span style="font-style: italic">Thank you for this - very well stated.</span> </div></div>

<span style="font-style: italic">one of the few times I agree with her to the point I wont dispute the minutae...</span>. Hi </div></div>Off-topic: Is me you talking, you cheeky rascal?

[franksterr]

Re: natt educating blakk children

johnnycakes




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I beg to differ.</div></div>

I know we do

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe that the class struggle comes first.
In the first place the vast majority of any population both black and white will rally to any economic improvement in their lives.
Things like the Cubans did such as limiting rents or eliminating them, guaranteeing education and health care that immediately and visibly raised the level of existence for all and that was, in part, what drove the popularity of the Cuban Revolution.
That economic equality in a very big way eliminated the economic deprivation due to racism which in the rest of the world further exacerbates the problem.
I cannot speak to the totalitarian Chinese or Soviet socialist models which so differed from today's Cuba.</div></div>

If racism is present achieving economic parity will be near impossible, because of the very nature of racism. Racism has a way of silently insinuating itself in all social affairs to the detriment of the race being oppressed.
Racism is unresolved in Cuba as is still very virulent.
Economic success does not always change ones prejudices for the better, and if history is our guide.....Cubans who have left Cuba and have found success in Florida (Yes Florida is a racist environment) are known to be extremely racist.
They only way to fight racism is head on with education, quotas, affirmative actions, penalizing racist behavior, and exposing it whenever it rears its ugly head.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Racism is much tougher to eradicate than is economic deprivation.,
I cannot think of a single nation where racism has been eradicated .
It has not been done and, in large part, because racism has manifested itself in an economic way. It persists because blacks and browns are relegated to the lower paying jobs, the poorer neighborhoods, the unemployment, the prison terms all due to economic inequality. The end of racism is achievable only once economic parity is reached otherwise the ghettoes, the second class educational opportunities, the poor neighborhood environmental issues of drugs and gangs persist as the vicious cycle that it is.</div></div>

I wont argue which is harder at this point, but I will say that solving the racial issues are more urgent, even if it is less important Globally.

One of the most racist places one the earth has seen a radical shift in only twenty yrs - South Afrika....and what they address was the urgency of racism. Had they given everybody in S.Afrika a million dollars I doubt we would see the changes we are now experiencing. Oprah and Bill with all their millions still have to deal racism. Even when black go to the best universities money can buy or live in the best neighborhoods they still experience racism on a daily basis.

All those negatives you posted are the result of racism not economics, because poor whites by and large escapes many of those oppressions whenever they are fortunate enough to live or attend the right schools.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking at the big picture I believe the problem is a lack of democracy.
Capitalism is not democratic
Multi-party electoral forms wherein the parties chose the candidates and the rich own them are not democratic.
No one ever voted on whether or not half the world should suffer trying to live on a dollar or two a day.

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Those are a topic worth discussing but right now I am pressed for time maybe later I will respond to them.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: natt educating blakk children

The importance of this is where the educated blacks fail to recognize.

This includes our resident black educator BlueGiant or BlackGiant or whatever name he goes by now.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">education or parenting ? </div></div>

The most important class NOT taught in schools - Parenting. </div></div>

[blugiant]

Re: natt educating blakk children

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The importance of this is where the educated blacks fail to recognize.

This includes our resident black educator BlueGiant or BlackGiant or whatever name he goes by now.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">education or parenting ? </div></div>

The most important class NOT taught in schools - Parenting. </div></div> </div></div>


waah gawn dudd yu waan oyinbo fe teach blakks parentinn

dudd while itt wan aff de stated objective dat educators teach citizenship ann good citenzenship iss bout parentinn, mii wood neva issue widd oww oyinbo wood define parentinn

itt look like sum aff oonnoo elitists pon yah a argue dat de reason y dem natt educatinn blakk children iss cah blakk peeps doan know oww fe parent dem yuths


y iss soo manee blakk repeat oyinbo argument ann gawn like dem enlitetenn

[blugiant]

Re: natt educating blakk children

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I might direct the discussion back to the minutiae (and the title of the thread) for the moment. One of the inconvenient truths about the graduation rates of black (males especially) from urban school systems is that the teachers, principals, school boards, city councils and in many cases the mayors, are often as black as the students and have options and power that did not obtain generations ago. But with more power has oftentimes come less results.

Case in point is Washington DC. The school district for many years now was headed by a black chancellor, reporting to a black school board, overseen by a predominantly black city council and a black mayor. Two years ago (I think), an asian-american took over as chancellor. She spent an enormous amount of time and energy upgrading the physical infrastructure of the schools and incentivizing teachers to upgrade their skills. Test scores and graduation rates improved. Recently she let go literally hundreds of underperforming teachers. The push back from the keepers of the status quo – mostly black – has been fierce. And if the polls are anything to go by, the chancellor will probably lose her job as the current mayor may not win in November and his opponent will most likely get rid of her based on statements he has made in the past.

Go figure.
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wan aff de reason fe diss tredd iss cah mii saw sumwan askinn qwestian bout texas miseducation system ann a yuth woo mii assume wass blakk. texas school system iss wan aff de wurst widd regard to educatinn blakk males. yu need fee goo ann study ow texas under gw used statistics fe mislead peeps bout &quot;texas school to prison pipeline systems&quot; improve undar imm leadership.

dat fe sey wen dem chattinn bout risinn standards ann de race to da top yu need fe xxamine de statistrikks closelee

mii agree widd de pint yu raisinn bout as more blakks gittinn politrixx power de plight aff manee blakks iss gittinn wurst. itt trulee dissapint mii wen mii see sum aff dem wannabee mzungu undereducatinn blakk yuths. still mii ovatand dat itt institutional racism dat prevent manee blakks educators properlee educatinn blakk yuths cah wat dem ave iss illusion aff power

mii doan knoo da specifics aff dc butt itt sund like yu seyinn dat de asian lady gott more fundinn dat blakks dat y shi wass able fe upgrade sum buildinn. bee veree careful wen dem chatt bout test score ann graduation rate dramaticallee improve cah dat iss bout oww fe lie widd statistrikk. didd da miseducation system lower de passinn marks ann mekk de test easier. sum place lower de passinn score fe test to 55 ann dumb down de test ann dem a tekk credit like dem doinn a better jab natt educatinn blakk yuths. graduation rate ar easilee manipulated bye forcinn out sum students ann graduatinn more students woo ar natt suffishentlee proefficent.

lettinn go teachers? yu waan fee bet mii dat wat dem reallee seyinn iss dat dem got ridd aff more blakk educators ann de miseducation system gittinn more oyinbo.realitee iss dat mii see sum mzungu ann nan-blakks wey reallee care ann trii dem best fe educate blakk yuths ann dose mii will rate. hopefullee iss wan aff dem cancious asian dat runninn da dc system. still chruss wen mii tell yu dat a latt aff dem oyinbo( more dan dem mzungu inn da miseducation system) ann nan-blakks ave issues widd blakk yuths ann dat canflict iss y soo manee blakk yuths tune dem out. blakk yuths knoo woo iss lookinn out fe dem educational interests ann de ting iss sum time itt natt dose dat moas qualified dat gitt da best results. cah sum oyinbo master dem subject ann might bee more qualified doan mean dem caan teach blakk yuths

tink pon diss wan asian miseducators slap wan blakk sub inn imm face accusinn imm aff teefinn ar stuff inn front aff blakk yuths. blakk sub cower cah imm wass onlee a sub fraid fe lose imm ting butt mii made a big deal bout itt cawlinn de blakk asssistant-principal. mii tell dem y shii neva trii dat foolishness widd mii cah mii natt a sub ann mii wood ave lick ar dunn. mzungu principal ann blakk asssistant principal look da addar way. end result blakk yuths chattinn bout oww de asian ooman racist ann de blakk sub saft instead aff focusinn pon dem education

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii agree widd de pint yu raisinn bout as more blakks gittinn politrixx power de plight aff manee blakks iss gittinn wurst. itt trulee dissapint mii wen mii see sum aff dem wannabee mzungu undereducatinn blakk yuths.</div></div>.

I don't know if they are wannabee mzungu but I do not think that we should let those in majority black cities responsible for the undreducation of black youth off the hook with the excuse of institutional racism.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">still mii ovatand dat itt institutional racism dat prevent manee blakks educators properlee educatinn blakk yuths cah wat dem ave iss illusion aff power.</div></div>

If the mayor, the city council, the board of education and the vast majority of those who voted them into office are black, how is it an illusion of power ? Incidentally, the same can be said of an even larger majority black city, Detroit, where the entire Board of Education, the school superintendent, the mayor and the entire City Council are all black and the situation with black youth is similar.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii doan knoo da specifics aff dc butt itt sund like yu seyinn dat de asian lady gott more fundinn dat blakks dat y shi wass able fe upgrade sum buildinn.</div></div>

Some of the school buildings had gone without repairs for years and were a hazard to the health of the children.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">didd da miseducation system lower de passinn marks ann mekk de test easier. sum place lower de passinn score fe test to 55 ann dumb down de test ann dem a tekk credit like dem doinn a better jab natt educatinn blakk yuths.</div></div>

No

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">graduation rate ar easilee manipulated bye forcinn out sum students ann graduatinn more students woo ar natt suffishentlee proefficent.</div></div>

This may have been done before she became chancellor by the (black) defenders of the status quo.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lettinn go teachers? yu waan fee bet mii dat wat dem reallee seyinn iss dat dem got ridd aff more blakk educators ann de miseducation system gittinn more oyinbo.realitee iss dat mii see sum mzungu ann nan-blakks wey reallee care ann trii dem best fe educate blakk yuths ann dose mii will rate.</div></div>

“oyinbos” are few and far between in the dc public school system. The teachers were for the first time required to demonstrate that they were effective teachers. See here. It seems to be coming down to the interests of the teachers versus the interests of the students.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hopefullee iss wan aff dem cancious asian dat runninn da dc system.</div></div>

We’ll see.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">still chruss wen mii tell yu dat a latt aff dem oyinbo( more dan dem mzungu inn da miseducation system) ann nan-blakks ave issues widd blakk yuths ann dat canflict iss y soo manee blakk yuths tune dem out. blakk yuths knoo woo iss lookinn out fe dem educational interests ann de ting iss sum time itt natt dose dat moas qualified dat gitt da best results. cah sum oyinbo master dem subject ann might bee more qualified doan mean dem caan teach blakk yuths.</div></div>

Again, there are very few white teachers in the dc public school system.

[blugiant]

Re: natt educating blakk children

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii agree widd de pint yu raisinn bout as more blakks gittinn politrixx power de plight aff manee blakks iss gittinn wurst. itt trulee dissapint mii wen mii see sum aff dem wannabee mzungu undereducatinn blakk yuths.</div></div>.

I don't know if they are wannabee mzungu but I do not think that we should let those in majority black cities responsible for the undreducation of black youth off the hook with the excuse of institutional racism.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">still mii ovatand dat itt institutional racism dat prevent manee blakks educators properlee educatinn blakk yuths cah wat dem ave iss illusion aff power.</div></div>

If the mayor, the city council, the board of education and the vast majority of those who voted them into office are black, how is it an illusion of power ? Incidentally, the same can be said of an even larger majority black city, Detroit, where the entire Board of Education, the school superintendent, the mayor and the entire City Council are all black and the situation with black youth is similar.




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wat mii seyinn iss dat sum aff dem blakk miseducators ar wannabee mzungu wey look dunn pon poor blakk yuths dat y dem doan do a bettar jab educatinn blakk yuths. seyinn itt majaritee blakk cities ignore de role aff de majaritee oyinbo state dat set de ciricullum ann fund de schools wear dem blakk cities ar located.

since wen mii eva lett blakks ar oyinbo aff de hook fe miseducatinn blakk yuths. ar yu tryinn fe mii fe ignore babylon system institutional racism dat moas educated peeps knoo iss respansible fe natt educatinn blakk yuths

pint iss dat moas blakk principal ann blakk education superintendents ave oyinbo bosses. fe gawn like blakk educators doan affii apperate inn de miseducation babylon system aff institutional racism ignore de racist realitee. yu eva ear aff blakk educators natt beinn allowed fe give blakk yuths books dat dem need fee studee ann pass dem tests untill dem gitt de okay fram oyinbo boss. y iss itt dat more fundinn goo too school dat ave majaritee oyinbo student even inn blakk cities? realitee iss yu cyaan gawn like institutional racism natt a issue inn moaslee blakk cities

yu knoo dc issue regardinn statehood ann y oyinbo scared dat itt wood create a moaslee blakk state. fe sey dat de majaratee aff afficeholders inn dc ar blakk ann were voted inn bye de majaretee blakks voters ignore woo reallee cantroll dc?

look att detroit blakk city inn oyinbo state ann fe ignore dat oyinbo realitee give de illusion dat blakk runninn tings

[blugiant]

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itt look dat asian education lady inn dc tryinn fe use statistics fe mislead blakk peeps bout de results undar ar. yu caan fool sum peeps sum aff de thyme butt shii cyaan fool awl blakk peeps awl aff de thyme. so shi cumplainn bout tests ann wat de results aff de tests showed butt shi use dem same tests results fe fiyah sum blakks



After two years of progress, Chancellor Michelle A. Rhee's effort to narrow the vast achievement gap separating white and African American students in D.C. public schools has stalled, an analysis of 2010 test score data shows.

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The slowed pace of improvement comes as Mayor Adrian M. Fenty makes transformation of the city's long-struggling school system a signature issue in his tightly contested Democratic primary race with D.C. Council Chairman Vincent C. Gray.

It is also a setback for Rhee, who established closure of the gap as an imperative when she accepted Fenty's appointment as chancellor in 2007. She called the disparity &quot;unacceptable&quot; and pledged to eliminate it as a matter of educational and social justice.

Data that Rhee released this week show that the difference in the percentages of white and black students who score at proficiency levels on the annual D.C. Comprehensive Assessment System tests had narrowed from 2007 to this year. The most significant improvement was in secondary schools, where the spread in math achievement dropped more than more 18 percentage points, from 70 to 51.4 percent.

But year-to-year results show that progress has slowed markedly. After narrowing from 2007 to last year, the gap in secondary math proficiency widened by slightly less than 2 percentage points. Secondary reading scores show the same flattening trajectory.

The District's struggle to close academic divides based on race and ethnicity is playing out in school systems across the country, where progress has also stagnated. And experts caution against making sweeping judgments about the District's prospects for continued improvement based on a year's worth of data.

In a statement Thursday, Rhee spokeswoman Jennifer Calloway said the school system used the three-year time frame because that is how long the Fenty administration's reform effort has been underway. She also cautioned against forming broad judgments on the basis of a single year's data.

&quot;Change does not happen overnight,&quot; Calloway said. &quot;Any one single data point - or change in a single data point over one year - is not sufficient to make overall conclusions about progress on this goal. To only consider one year would not accurately portray what has happened during this administration.&quot;

The gap in secondary reading proficiency closed by 15 points, from 67.2 to 52.2 percent, between 2007 and this year. But nearly all of that improvement occurred between 2007 and last year. This past school year, the gap closed by less than a percentage point.

Proficiency gaps in the elementary grades narrowed more modestly across the three-year span. The black-white gap in elementary math achievement closed by 2.5 percentage points between 2007 and this year. But from 2009 to this year, it grew by 4.3 percentage points. In elementary schools, the three-year stretch shows the divide in reading closing by 1.7 points. But that includes a widening of 3.5 points in 2009-10. That means this year's elementary reading gap is almost exactly where it was in 2007.

The same widening trend is visible in some of the gaps separating white and Hispanic students and Hispanics and blacks. The spread in reading proficiency between white and Hispanic secondary students grew this year by more than 9 percentage points after shrinking between 2007 and last year. The same is true for the divide in reading proficiency between black and Hispanic elementary students.

The District is far from alone in its struggle to mount a sustained assault on the gaps. Montgomery County has had some success in the past decade, but gains on statewide tests since 2008 have been modest, narrowing the gap between white and black students only a percentage point or two a year.

After major progress in the 1970s and '80s, the rate of narrowing has slowed nationwide, according to a recent report by the Policy Information Center of the Educational Testing Service. By fourth grade, African American and Latino students are still, on average, nearly three academic years behind their white peers, according to the Educational Equality Project, a national advocacy group founded in 2008 to help close the gap.
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The latest D.C. achievement data add to a body of mixed results for the District this year. Elementary students across all racial and ethnic groups lost ground in reading and math test scores on this year's DC CAS, after proficiency rates rose about 19 percentage points in math and 11 in reading between 2007 and 2009. Secondary scores continued to grow overall this year, adding to a three-year run of double-digit growth.

Growth in fourth- and eighth-grade math and reading scores on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, administered by the federal government, surpassed that of students in other big cities. But the math achievement gap for black and white fourth-graders widened.

Experts said it's difficult to know why progress in closing the gaps slowed this year. Some say it could be a signal that students on the cusp of proficiency have been helped over the threshold with extra attention. Those remaining have far more academic ground to cover.

Michael Petrilli, a vice president at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, an education think tank, said some anomaly in the tests, possibly triggered by changes in the questions, could be a factor. But he agreed with Rhee that one flat year is not decisive.

&quot;If there was another year of this, I would be concerned,&quot; he said.

Bruce Fuller, a professor of education and public policy at the University of California at Berkeley, said that although good schools and good teachers can make a difference in the lives of poor children, the persistence of the achievement gaps may also suggest that there is a limit to their reach.

&quot;Part of this hitting the wall may be the troubling fact that we may need to somehow attack family poverty before we see greater progress in closing achievement,&quot; Fuller said. ..

[rudemonk]

Re: natt educating blakk children

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As there is no gaurantee that if the class struggle is resolved, that the racial aspects will go away....for as we see in Cuba, Russia and China Ethnocentrism (tribalism), Xenophobia and Racism still remains. </div></div>

if i might add, we find this to be the case anywhere human groups naturally form cultures of identity and most especially where we compete for resources. no continent is immune to the adoption of expedient means to secure identity and control of resources.