fiyah ponn cumbussus day

[Wendy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blu yu goat go pawty laws nite fi celebrate di haliday mek yu neyn stawt yu tredd? </div></div>

Goodone! Mi did tink a Blu post di tread from the tikle an di spelling

Well mi use to bunn a fiyah pan it to ..but now dat mi get the day off .. All hail Columbus

[kia027]

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*bump* It is that time of year again

[kia027]

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Slavery and Colonialism Make Up the True Legacy of Columbus
Published: November 04, 1989


To the Editor:

I expected that ''The Real Columbus Day, at Last'' (editorial, Oct. 12) would explore, however briefly, the real meaning of Christopher Columbus's accidental encounter with America. Instead, you presented a startlingly ethnocentric view of that encounter's consequences. To say that Columbus ''forged a lasting link between the civilization of Europe and the largely undeveloped continents of North and South America'' suggests that Columbus found mostly empty lands inhabited by a relatively few uncivilized peoples.

To Americans of European descent, this is a comfortable picture, but it diminishes the impact of his tragic legacy on the native peoples of the Americas and Africa. Most school history texts do not tell that Columbus was the first European to bring slavery to the New World.

Two days after he ''discovered'' America, Columbus wrote in his journal that with 50 men he could force ''the entire population be taken to Castile, or held captive.'' On his second voyage, in December 1494, Columbus captured 1,500 Tainos on the island of Hispaniola and herded them to Isabela, where 550 of ''the best males and females'' were forced aboard ships bound for the slave markets of Seville.
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Under Columbus's leadership, the Spanish attacked the Taino, sparing neither men, women nor children. Warfare, forced labor, starvation and disease reduced Hispaniola's Taino population (estimated at one million to two million in 1492) to extinction within 30 years.

Until the European discovery of America, there was only a relatively small slave trade between Africa and Europe. Needing labor to replace the rapidly declining Taino, the Spanish introduced African slaves to Hispaniola in 1502; by 1510, the trade was important to the Caribbean economy.

If we move from a Eurocentric view of Columbus, we can understand the passions that the 500th anniversary in 1992 arouse. In 1986 in Spain, Basque separatists murdered Adm. Cristobal Colon, a descendant of the discoverer. When the Duvalier regime was overthrown in Haiti, demonstrators, descended from African slaves, tossed the great statue of Columbus into the bay. Attempts in the United Nations to pass resolutions celebrating the anniversary of the ''discovery'' have been defeated, largely by protests from third world countries that view Columbus not as a discoverer, but as an invader.

For many Americans and Europeans, Columbus's legacy is a benign one of ''discovery'' and progress, celebrated by holidays, parades and white sales. For others throughout the world, his legacy is colonialism, slavery and the destruction of people and cultures. BRYAN STRONG Santa Cruz, Calif., Oct. 16, 1989 The writer is a University of California visiting lecturer in psychology.

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[kia027]

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sad to see the www.reconsidercolumbusday.org site is no longer available

Did the US get a national indigenous day?

[blugiant]

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Columbus Day: Let's not forget the sins of Columbus


Sure, he &quot;sailed the ocean blue.&quot; But history long ago recorded other facts: his demands for gold, his use of torture, his kidnappings, his implementation of a regular slave trade.


By Don Glickstein

Every Columbus Day, I’d roll my eyes when Native American groups would protest. A typical litany of ills purportedly inflicted by Columbus included “grand theft, genocide, racism, initiating the destruction of a culture, rape, torture, and maiming of indigenous people.”

Really. How could Columbus have done all that?

I was raised in Massachusetts, where Columbus Day is a state holiday. Instead of school, you’d watch the Columbus Day parade. You'd recite rhymes — “In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue” — and celebrate Columbus’s homeland, Italy.

Sure, the white settlers mistreated Indians, and did indeed practice genocide. The phrase “The only good Indian is a dead Indian” had its roots with New England's Puritans, gained widespread acceptance during the government’s 18th and 19th century wars against natives, and persisted in 20th century movie and TV culture.

But Columbus? Surely the accusations were exaggerated. Surely Columbus was just the scapegoat for all the ills of white–native relations.

That’s what I thought until I read the classic account of Columbus that won the 1943 Pulitzer Prize for biography, Admiral of the Ocean Sea, by Samuel Eliot Morison. Morison was a blue-blooded Boston patrician, Harvard historian, and retired U.S. Navy captain who saw action in both the North African and Pacific theaters in World War II. No left-winger him.

In his meticulously documented book, he praised Columbus for his navigation skills, his determination and focus, organizational ability, and ability to lead men. But Columbus also was a man of his time who never believed Indians were capable of being proper, civilized Christians, even if their souls might be saved upon conversion.

From the start, he treated them as less than human beings than commodities. In his writings, he noted their potential as slaves. He kidnapped them regularly to be trained as translators. As one contemporary, a priest, noted, “It appears that the Admiral did this unscrupulously … it not appearing to him that it was an offense to God and his neighbor to take free men against their will, separating fathers from sons and wives from husbands.” To help pay for future voyages, Columbus proposed, in February 1494, a regular slave trade, and during his second trip to the New World, he implemented it, sending hundreds of Indians — “the best males and females,” according to one of Columbus’ shipmates — to the Seville slave market.

While Columbus didn’t appear to practice genocide himself, his demands that Indians supply gold set a model for the systematic destruction of the natives who would be unable to meet Columbus’ demands. Morison cited a priest who called the system “irrational, most burdensome, impossible, intolerable, and abominable.” Those who couldn’t meet the quotas were tortured or killed or both; the Indian agriculture was disrupted, and many starved to death, contracted disease from the Spanish (including venereal disease), or committed suicide.

On the island of Hispaniola (shared now by the Dominican Republic and Haiti), the pre-Columbus population was 300,000. Between 1494 and 1496, it was reduced to 200,000. By 1508, only 60,000 lived. Forty years after that, perhaps 500 remained.

When Morison's book was published in 1942, people were living this kind of horror. The New York Times reviewer of Admiral of the Ocean Sea noted that Morison brought &quot;the birth of terror home to us by suggesting that the Nazis might treat us as the men of Aragon and Castile treated the natives of Hispaniola.&quot;

How did we lose sight of this? I suspect this was a case of popular culture trumping facts — as so many parents today choose to believe discredited studies that condemn childhood immunization; of annoying truths being ignored — as the Tea Party ignores the truth that George Washington was the great proponent of a strong federal government and federal Hamiltonian bailouts; and of the power of inertia and peer pressure — as the Washington Mutual Board of Directors failed to question the assumptions of their mediocre CEO.

Yes, we'll continue to observe Columbus Day for all of these reasons. But we should not celebrate it.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Columbus Day: Let's not forget the sins of Columbus
Sure, he &quot;sailed the ocean blue.&quot; But history long ago recorded other facts: his demands for gold, his use of torture, his kidnappings, his implementation of a regular slave trade.
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seeth deh



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the start, he treated them as less than human beings than commodities. In his writings, he noted their potential as slaves. He kidnapped them regularly to be trained as translators. As one contemporary, a priest, noted, “It appears that the Admiral did this unscrupulously … it not appearing to him that it was an offense to God and his neighbor to take free men against their will, separating fathers from sons and wives from husbands.” </div></div>


seeth deh again



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To help pay for future voyages, Columbus proposed, in February 1494, a regular slave trade, and during his second trip to the New World, he implemented it, sending hundreds of Indians — “the best males and females,” according to one of Columbus’ shipmates — to the Seville slave market.</div></div>

mii find itt intarestinn dat sum blakk peeps defendinn cumbussuss day cah dem ave de day aff. itt like dem doan ovatand dat cumbussuss tarted de transcontinental slave trade


y dem doan teach da yuths dat cumbussuss enslaved indigenous peeps ann send dem to spain as slaves ann dat oww da transcontinental slaveree inn da americas began? moas peeps fail to ovatand dat ann still tink transcantinental slavereee began fram afrikka to da mericas

peeps doan ovatand dat de transcanttinental slaveree began widd oyinbo sendinn enslaved indigenous natives to oyinbo cantinent ann wen dem oyinbo decimated de indigenous population den oyinbo tarted fe enslaved afrikkans ann ship dem to merikkas cantinent to provide a wukk force fe da mericas

ovatand transcontinental slaveree tarted inn da caribbean ann itt wass tarted bye oyinbo cumbussuss.

soo fiyah ann more fiyah pon cumbussuss

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Columbus wrote: &quot;They go as naked as when their mothers bore them, and so do the women, although I did not see more than one girl. They are very well made, with very handsome bodies, and very good countenances.&quot;</div></div>


cumbussuss wass funnee. dat y mii sey [censored]

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The people of the island were friendly to Columbus and his crew, and he remarked many had black and red painted on their bodies. Yet, Columbus in his greed was focused on gold and how to make a profit</div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;It appears to me, that the people are ingenious, and would be good servants and I am of opinion that they would very readily become Christians, as they appear to have no religion,&quot; Columbus wrote in his journal on Oct. 12, 1492</div></div>

indigenous natives joke oyinbo enslavers christians ask indigenous peeps iff dem waan fe go to heaven aftah de oyinbo enslaved ann xxterminate moas indigenous peeps. indigenous peeps ask dem enslaver oyinbo christians iff wen oyinbo enslavers die iff dem goo to heaven too. oyinbo christian enslavers sey yess awl christians go to heaven. soo indigenous peeps sey dem doan waan goo oyinbo heaven

[blugiant]

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lies ann more pure lies



&quot;cumbussuss discover merica&quot;

oww iff lost cumbussuss claim imm wass inn asia dem aggoo lie bout imm discover merikka

lies: millions ann millions aff indigenous peeps were livinn inn merikkas fore cumbussuss

ignore dat oyinbo viking lief raided canada ann greenland awlmoas 500 years fore cumbussuss

[Skelly]

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Just like crismuss cum but once a year so does diss tredd

[Cultcha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just like crismuss cum but once a year so does diss tredd </div></div>

Can't wait for the &quot;Fiyah Pon Tanksgivin&quot; thread to appear again.

[Tulip]

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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! Summarization is a good and proper skill you know.

[Emperah]

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[Wendy]

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Unu noh have a bloody ting fi do