More black people jailed in England...

[jah_yout]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The article clearly stated that ,the BRITS deliberately skewed the educational system to ensure that most of the black children would be Permanently excluded .In doing so they ensured that a large part of the black population would end up in a life of “CRIME”
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That is not how I read it,it says the problems start at school,....yes there is a problem with the criminal justice system,it has been accepted on all levels that it is institutionally racist,and that start at the police level.
As far as I know education is open to all in the uk,I dont see how it can be skewed one way or the other against a particular race,at higher education level some class of people are excluded as a result of lack of money,that includes all races.

In my opinion the problem not only starts in school,it starts in the home,there is a massive number of black men who are being raised by a lone parent,they grow up lacking a role model in the home,some fall to peer group pressure,and end up on the wrong side of the tracks.
I think as black people we should start taking a hard look at ourselves,black men need to start taking care of their responsibilities,we need to stop blaming the system,if we as black men dont put in our share of the work then dont expect white society to do the job for us when things go wrong.

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it is true that personal actions must be held accountable...but it is also true that it is
hard to be in the home when you are locked up or unemployable due to a police record...
the system disproportionately &amp; many times unjustly targeting black men for criminilization is only adding to the problem of the absence of the black man in the family...that is the media sound byte myth that the biggest problem for black people is single-parent homes

[Panajar]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That is not how I read it,it says the problems start at school,....yes there is a problem with the criminal justice system,it has been accepted on all levels that it is institutionally racist,and that start at the police level.
As far as I know education is open to all in the uk,I dont see how it can be skewed one way or the other against a particular race,at higher education level some class of people are excluded as a result of lack of money,that includes all races.

In my opinion the problem not only starts in school,it starts in the home,there is a massive number of black men who are being raised by a lone parent,they grow up lacking a role model in the home,some fall to peer group pressure,and end up on the wrong side of the tracks.
I think as black people we should start taking a hard look at ourselves,black men need to start taking care of their responsibilities,we need to stop blaming the system,if we as black men dont put in our share of the work then dont expect white society to do the job for us when things go wrong.

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Since you live in England, maybe you can interpret this quote from the article,i might be missing some salient, and could PROF Ben Bowling is off base on this issue?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guardian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problems may start at school. The commission points out that <span style="font-weight: bold">black children are three times as likely to be permanently excluded from education</span>.

&quot;We are reaping the effects of<span style="font-size: 14pt"> criminalising</span> a community in the 1970s,&quot; says Ben Bowling, professor of criminal justice at Kings College London and a former adviser to the home affairs select committee. </div></div>

[evanovitch]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The article clearly stated that ,the BRITS deliberately skewed the educational system to ensure that most of the black children would be Permanently excluded .In doing so they ensured that a large part of the black population would end up in a life of “CRIME”
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That is not how I read it,it says the problems start at school,....yes there is a problem with the criminal justice system,it has been accepted on all levels that it is institutionally racist,and that start at the police level.
As far as I know education is open to all in the uk,I dont see how it can be skewed one way or the other against a particular race,at higher education level some class of people are excluded as a result of lack of money,that includes all races.

In my opinion the problem not only starts in school,it starts in the home,there is a massive number of black men who are being raised by a lone parent,they grow up lacking a role model in the home,some fall to peer group pressure,and end up on the wrong side of the tracks.
I think as black people we should start taking a hard look at ourselves,black men need to start taking care of their responsibilities,we need to stop blaming the system,if we as black men dont put in our share of the work then dont expect white society to do the job for us when things go wrong.

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it is true that personal actions must be held accountable...<span style="font-weight: bold">but it is also true that it is
hard to be in the home when you are locked up or unemployable due to a police record...</span>the system disproportionately &amp; many times unjustly targeting black men for criminilization is only adding to the problem of the absence of the black man in the family...that is the media sound byte myth that the biggest problem for black people is single-parent homes </div></div>


if u at home it reduces the chance of being locked up...u haffi infront of the cop fi him lock u up...of course di premise is dat u neva run home having done someting outside to raise dem interest


as to being unemployable, again i say noone can make ur own mindset....if slaves, thought to be and treated as non human on a scale that we modern day blacks can imagine but not equate, even given the sporadic bad treatment some of us get, if slaves could use pages from a BIble in wat we now think of as funny english, if dem could learn to read n write by dem own efforts, y we siddung an not mekking lemonade outta lemons


we seh we do wat we haffi do wen we mek excuse fi selling drugs in our naybahood but refuse to do said ting in school even if it is not up to par....


the worst thing that we who opine on a daily basis can do is continue to be poverty pimps..we dont volunteer to teach a one to read one an one thereby downplaying dem possible embarrassment on being in a crowd....we dont reach out to a teen in a dead head job an tawk about dem plans ...we dont in some way show dem dat th epast they come from had even more obstacles dat seemed insurmountable but effort n will made a way out of no way....we see dem wid di locs an di colours and being also wid dem we neva stawt a conversation , even if dem look offputting at first , to ask if dem know wat dem mean..


.we <span style="font-weight: bold">don</span>t more dan we <span style="font-weight: bold">do</span>...

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Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....yes there is a h..that is the media sound byte myth that the biggest problem for black people is single-parent homes </div></div>

It's not exactly a myth in the uk,it is based on solid respected surveys.







Race divide on single parents
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Related Tags:Office for National StatisticsCaribbeanfamilychildparent

Teenagers: there has been a rise in the number of children living in single-parent families
Almost half the black children in Britain are being raised by single parents, new Government figures reveal.
A quarter of all youngsters live in one-parent families – treble the proportion in 1972, according to the Office for National Statistics.
The biggest percentage of lone-parent households is among black ethnic groups. Forty-eight per cent of black Caribbean families have one parent, as do 36 per cent of black African households.
Single-parent families are less common among Indians (ten per cent), Bangladeshis (12 per cent), Pakistanis (13 per cent), Chinese (15 per cent) and whites (22 per cent).
Nine out of ten single-parent families are headed by mothers.
Children who grow up without their biological father are more likely to be unemployed, commit crime and leave education early, according to research by think tank Civitas.
They are also twice as likely to be homeless.
Lone-parent families are three times more likely to live in rented accommodation than couples with children and are also more likely to live in homes that fall below minimum standards.
Michael Scanlan, from the Family and Parenting Institute, said lone-parent families were 'disproportionately' likely to feel the effects of poverty compared with couples.
He added: 'Having just one income is likely to affect the child.
'It is also likely the parent is going to have to work longer hours so it minimises important contact between parent and child.
'We need to ensure single parents get access to affordable and high-quality child care

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/44768-race-divide-on-single-parents

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Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That is not how I read it,it says the problems start at school,....yes there is a problem with the criminal justice system,it has been accepted on all levels that it is institutionally racist,and that start at the police level.
As far as I know education is open to all in the uk,I dont see how it can be skewed one way or the other against a particular race,at higher education level some class of people are excluded as a result of lack of money,that includes all races.

In my opinion the problem not only starts in school,it starts in the home,there is a massive number of black men who are being raised by a lone parent,they grow up lacking a role model in the home,some fall to peer group pressure,and end up on the wrong side of the tracks.
I think as black people we should start taking a hard look at ourselves,black men need to start taking care of their responsibilities,we need to stop blaming the system,if we as black men dont put in our share of the work then dont expect white society to do the job for us when things go wrong.

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Since you live in England, maybe you can interpret this quote from the article,i might be missing some salient, and could PROF Ben Bowling is off base on this issue?

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The prof is way off base,I dont see how black people can be 3 times more likely to be excluded from education,the educational system just does not work that way,that kind of approach would not only be un-workable,but it would have been phased out a long time ago with all the other archaic approach to black britons.

[blugiant]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">have neva understood young men who posture dat dem naw mek nobody tell dem wat to do , but run along to jail n guess wat....smaddy tell dem wat to do...dem wont work at minimum wage on dem own but go to jail an work fi 10cents an hour

like Mike Epps said at the BET Awards lass nite, dese r juss lyrics...do dem fi real n u willll go to jail </div></div>

evan woo caan support demselves properlee pon minimum wage. still yu raisinn ann intarestinn pint bout minimum wage slaveree ting versus involuntaree serveetude.

mii wandar iff dem gitt bettar tandards aff livinn inn jail dan iff dem wukk at minimum wage jabs

[blugiant]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

da weakness inn de argument single parent household wey da maddar middle class ann above, de rate aff dysfunctions is da same as two parent household. realitee iss dat single parent household ave higher rate aff poverty so dat y deer iss a greata rate aff dsyfunctions. single parent argument = blame da povertee stricken victims, moaslee oomen, argument



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....yes there is a h..that is the media sound byte myth that the biggest problem for black people is single-parent homes </div></div>

It's not exactly a myth in the uk,it is based on solid respected surveys.







Race divide on single parents
( 18 )
Related Tags:Office for National StatisticsCaribbeanfamilychildparent

Teenagers: there has been a rise in the number of children living in single-parent families
Almost half the black children in Britain are being raised by single parents, new Government figures reveal.
A quarter of all youngsters live in one-parent families – treble the proportion in 1972, according to the Office for National Statistics.
The biggest percentage of lone-parent households is among black ethnic groups. Forty-eight per cent of black Caribbean families have one parent, as do 36 per cent of black African households.
Single-parent families are less common among Indians (ten per cent), Bangladeshis (12 per cent), Pakistanis (13 per cent), Chinese (15 per cent) and whites (22 per cent).
Nine out of ten single-parent families are headed by mothers.
Children who grow up without their biological father are more likely to be unemployed, commit crime and leave education early, according to research by think tank Civitas.
They are also twice as likely to be homeless.
Lone-parent families are three times more likely to live in rented accommodation than couples with children and are also more likely to live in homes that fall below minimum standards.
Michael Scanlan, from the Family and Parenting Institute, said lone-parent families were 'disproportionately' likely to feel the effects of poverty compared with couples.
He added: 'Having just one income is likely to affect the child.
'It is also likely the parent is going to have to work longer hours so it minimises important contact between parent and child.
'We need to ensure single parents get access to affordable and high-quality child care

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/44768-ra...single-parents </div></div>

[Panajar]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The prof is way off base,I dont see how black people can be 3 times more likely to be excluded from education,the educational system just does not work that way,that kind of approach would not only be un-workable<span style="font-size: 14pt">,but it would have been phased out a long time ago with all the other archaic approach to black britons.</span> </div></div>

I am having difficulties accepting your assertion, that most of if not all of the archaic systems against black in UK has been &quot;phased&quot; out. If that were the case why would a study like this produce such a ominous result. Of course these results could be incorrect, but so far not one academic has put his/her reputation on the line to challenge this study! Which lead me to conclude that this article have some merit.

Fact is some prominent British subjects has endorsed this study and even went as far as to take some responsibility for this, should I say unfortunate situation .This is what was said by one Politian, Diane Abbott.

&quot;Diane Abbott, who raised the alarm over the growing numbers of jailed black men as a backbencher, said she &quot;very much regretted that the last Labour government swallowed [former home secretary] Michael Howard's line that 'prison works'.&quot;

Diane Abbott seems to be acknowledging that the British government deliberately set out to imprison black men and history can attest to the atrocities, committed against blacks by the BRITS. So why should this case be any different. As i stated before can a leopard change its spots?

Barbaric Nations such as Britain which build their empire on the backs of blacks have a hard time seeing the descendants of their former slaves as humans, entitled to the same rights as everyone else.So they consciously or subconsciously implement systems designed to impede the progress of the descendants of their former slaves. Only when their evil deeds are exposed will they attempt to change such policies.Bravo to the people who conducted this study.

[Emperah]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foolya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I though US had the most black in prison. A friend has a young cousin who is in jail and they force him to go to work at walmart every day. he never see a penny from the pay as walmart send it to the jail to pay for his stay. who says slavery is over in the US? </div></div>

The US has the biggest blk population of prisoners.
Dem a talk per capitah. No other country has more prisoners than the amerikkka and dem industrial complex.

And if yuh really waan fi si who de real criminals ar look here.


2006 Essay Honorable Mention


Violent Crimes, year 2000 arrest by race statistics in America are based on a survey of 9,017 law enforcement agencies, representing 182,090,101 inhabitants. Source: Federal Bureau of Investigation, uniform crime report: www.fbi.gov/ucr/00.cius.html

<span style="font-weight: bold">Arrest by race, 2000 in America
Total Arrests: 9,068,977
Total Violent Crime Arrests: 414,420

In the all arrest category:
Whites were arrested in 6,324,006 cases, at 69.7%
Blacks were arrested in 2,528,368 cases, at 27.9%
Other races were arrested in 216,603 cases, at 2.3%

In the violent crime arrest category (statistics do not include conviction rate, unsolved murders, or missing persons):
Whites were arrested in 248,167 cases, at 59.9%
Blacks were arrested in 156,718 cases, at 37.8%
Other races were arrested in 9,535, at 2.3%

Broken down in specific crime arrests:
Murder:
Whites were arrested in 4,231 cases, at 48.7%
Blacks were arrested in 4,238 cases, at 48.8%
Other races were arrested in 214 cases, at 2.3%

Forcible rape (rape statistics do not include child molestation or statutory rape):
Whites were arrested in 11,381 cases, at 63.7%
Blacks were arrested in 6,089 cases, at 34.1%
Other races were arrested in 389 cases, at 2.2%

Robbery:
Whites were arrested in 31,921 cases, at 44.2%
Blacks were arrested in 38,897 cases, at 53.9%
Other races were arrested in 1,331 cases, at 1.8%

Aggravated Assault:
Whites were arrested in 200,634 cases, at 63.5%
Blacks were arrested in 107,494 cases, at 34.0%
Other races were arrested in 7,601 cases, at 1.4%

Property Crime Arrest Category: Total Arrests 1,076,844
Whites were arrested in 713,331 cases, at 66.2%
Blacks were arrested in 333,565 cases, at 31.0%
Other races were arrested in 7,601 cases, at 1.4%</span>

In recent years, crime in America has decreased; however, the arrest by race margin remains pretty much the same, whites outnumber blacks; but according to property crime statistics (FBI uniform crime reports, crime in the U.S. 2000), blacks have made up the majority of the increase in our prison population. “Between 1990 and 2001, the number of blacks behind bars jumped from 360,000 to 622,200, and increase of 73%.” It is reported that black men (at 28.5%) are six times more likely than are white men (at 4.4%) to be imprisoned.

Based on statistics, violent crimes (murder rate) are relatively close between the races; but whites have over a 3 to 1 margin over blacks in the total violent crime category, and maintain a wider margin over blacks in the property crime category. With blacks only accounting for 14.2% of the state of Michigan’s total population, and whites 80.2%. Statistically speaking, whites should be at least 2 to 1 majority in Michigan’s prison population; but they’re not.

A disproportion of black prisoners is crontrary to available statistics. With whites out numbering blacks in the arrest category, the courts, parole, and probation systems are suspect and should be thoroughly examined. By implementing sentencing guidelines, Michigan’s legislatures eliminated bias in the sentencing practices of some judges; however, if a prosecutor so chooses, there are no checks or balances to prevent him or her from exclusively over charging blacks in criminal cases (i.e., instead of charging a black person with a five-year felony, it’s increased to a ten-year felony), which nullifies the legislative intent and translates into a longer sentence for blacks. Michigan also has a habitual offender statute. If a person has been convicted of two felonies (regardless of the time span, even if it’s two felonies over a 75 year period), a prosecutor can supplement a defendant, or use the threat of supplement to force a defendant to plea bargain, and actually plead guilty to an increased charge. This is a common practice in the state of Michigan, and here again, translates into longer sentences and more convictions. Since the decision to supplement rests solely with a prosecutor, he or she could supplement mostly black defendants. Who’s to know?

If blacks receive less paroles and probation than whites, who’s to know? And who’s minding the score? According to a 2000 Bureau of Justice statistics, there were over 3.8 million people on probation and another 725,527 were on parole in America in 2000. The figures are not broken down by race; but the numbers are sufficient; and subject o abuse, could easily create a disproportionate prison population of black prisoners.

African-Americans have long held that there’s a concerted effort among prison officials and prosecutors to keep America’s prisons over crowded with African-Americans. The reported actions of California’s guards’ union, gives credence to those concerns. According to a Newsweek, August 20, 2000 story, “Correctional Peace Officer’s Association (the prison guards’ union) has made building more prisons its signature issue.” “The union pumped more than two million dollars into the 1998 campaign of Gov. Gray Davis, a tough-on-crime Democrat, who quickly signed legislation authorizing 525 million in new prison construction.” The guards’ union also opposed California’s proposition 36, a sweeping initiative (passed by voters) requiring treatment instead of imprisonment for an estimated 36,000 drug users (which took effect on July 1, 2001).

Project Exile has shipped off thousands of blacks to serve long terms in Federal prisons. In a May 31, 1999 Associated Press story by Dominic Perella, then President Bill Clinton, praised Project Exile, “as a national model for fighting gun violence.” Project Exile works this way: if a convicted felon is caught carrying a gun, local prosecutors drop the state case (which carries five years), and let the Federal prosecutors press charges (that carry 15 years to life). In the same Associated Press story, David Baugh, a local Richmond, Virginia attorney, said “Project Exile is illegal because it affects blacks almost exclusively.” And Richmond’s three U.S. District judges agreed in part with Attorney Baugh. In a January 1999 opinion, the court ruled, “where as Project Exile wasn’t unconstitutional; but did have a disproportionate impact on blacks.”

The underlying problem is simple: prosecutors decide which defendants are subject to the 15 years to life penalty. And statistics demonstrate, local prosecutors, in more cases than not, target inner city defendants—usually black, for Project Exile (15 years to life), while defendants from outlying counties—usually white, face only state prosecution (5 years) for committing the same crime. Nonetheless, Project Exile type programs are gaining popularity in America.

Miami, Florida has a Withhold of Adjudication. This is a tool Florida judges and prosecutors can use at their discretion that allows felony offenders to avoid a conviction. As reported by the Miami Herald January 26 through January 30, 2004 series called Justice Withheld, “receiving a withhold allows you to legally say, you have never been convicted of a crime, even though a court found you guilty.” In theory, withholds are handed out sparingly to supposedly deserving people in extenuating circumstances; but the Herald found, in practice, Withhold of Adjudications “are handed out like Halloween candy.” “Four-time losers can get withholds.” “Rapists and car thieves get withholds.” “Drug dealers and batterers get withholds.” And if you “commit fraud or forgery, you’ve got an even chance of getting one.” “Abuse or molest a child and your chances are actually better than even.” The Herald also found that the folks enjoying all of that judicial mercy are predominately white defendants. A study of the procedure showed, “if a black defendant commits the same crime and has the same record as a white defendant, the white defendant is 50 percent more likely to get a withhold.” When confronted by the Herald, in defense of the procedure, some people said, “the disparity in black and white defendants, is not a function of judicial racism; but of socio-economics,” meaning, whites are more often able to afford private attorneys and less likely to have to rely on some overburdened public defender; however, Leonard Pitts, a columnist for the Miami Herald, reported in a February 1, 2004 article, “even when you adjust for type of attorney, with a private lawyer, black defendants are still much less likely to receive withholds.” Mr. Pitts’ solution is: “blacks should stop being such good customers of the American injustice system.”

On the one hand, with the deck stacked against them in court, African-Americans and minorities who commit crimes, are their own worst enemy; but on the other, African-American (political and community) leaders appear to have bought into the myth, that blacks commit more crimes than whites; therefore, more blacks should be incarcerated than whites. The apathy of people in African-American communities to demand change, is indicative of seeing too much black on black violence. But none of that justifies convicting innocent people, over charging defendants, withholding evidence, and discriminating against defendants.

The root cause: Prosecutors. Short of pulling a gun and committing murder themselves, prosecutors have total immunity. Immunity to: bend the truth, stretch the truth, hide the truth, withhold evidence, encourage a witness to lie, and to knowingly put a lying witness on the stand to testify against a defendant. In fact, it is easier to convict a defendant by violating the Constitution, than by complying with it. In a lot of cases, it’s impossible to convict a person without violating the Constitution (as was discovered when the Innocent Project in New York, proved 13 Illinois death row prisoners were innocent, that led to then Illinois Gov. George Ryan, placing a moratorium on executions and the ultimate release of some death row prisoners, January 2003). Almost all police at some point lie about whether they violated the Constitution in order to convict a defendant. A February 22, 2004, The Michigan Citizen front-page story, places emphasis on that very important point.

Eighteen Detroit police officers allegedly repeatedly violated the Constitution of black defendants, by planting evidence, lying and beating up on people. In 2005, eight officers were found not guilty, and two officers, Troy Bradley and Nicole Rich, have pled guilty in the case and testified against their co-defendants.

There is no doubt it exists. The only question is how wide spread is the practice of violating the Constitution of African-American defendants? No one knows for sure; but prosecutors, judges and police will have us believe, each discovery is an “isolated incident”, yet the frequency of these discoveries, indicate otherwise. Defense Attorney (and Harvard University Law Professor, and form O.J. Simpson lawyer), Alan Dershowitz, said, “many prosecutors implicitly encourage police to lie about whether they violated the Constitution in order to convict a defendant.” And in his book “The Rules of the Justice Game,” Mr. Dershowitz added, “most trial judges pretend to believe police and prosecutors who they know are lying.” This is not an indictment against all prosecutors, judges or police; but it’s imperative to understand, over all, the reality of justice for African-Americans, is merely an attempt to pretend there can be law and order and fairness in a greedy and bias society. A person having a racist mentality, or sadistic personality, couldn’t ask for a better position than the status of prosecutor, judge or policeman. The police in the O.J. case is an excellent example. One in particular, Mark Fuhrman was bad, racist and corrupt, having him on the case, contributed to a not guilty verdict for O.J. Simpson; but most defendants can’t afford high power lawyers to uncover corrupt police in criminal cases. This is one reason why the O.J. Simpson case has become the poster child of the exception to the judicial rule.

It is undeniable that race is the main factor in whether or not the death penalty is applied, whether that person will be pulled over by the state police on our highways, and how that person will be treated by our judicial system; and poverty is the second criteria for mistreatment, and because state appointed lawyers usually, leisurely defend their clients, an indigent defendant doesn’t stand a snowball in hell chance in a courtroom, and some times, that is enough to put an innocent person in jail. In fact, Amnesty International says, “one in every one hundred people incarcerated in America, are innocent.” Between 1977 and 2003, a number of innocent people were discovered on our nation’s death row. We can only imagine how many innocent people were executed, or have died while serving excessive sentences.” Michigan has roughly 50,000 prisoners. Using Amnesty International figures, over four hundred innocent people are serving time in Michigan alone. In 2001, America had 1,406,031 people in prison (the figure is probably higher now) and of those, one in every one hundred are innocent.

In California, there’s a three strike law, and if your third offense (over a 50 year period) happens to involve stealing a loaf of bread, or being caught with an unregistered gun in your home, you’ll receive an automatic life sentence. Michigan has a habitual offender statute, and almost every state has a special get tough on crime campaign. On the surface, these programs (especially when viewed separately) look good; but collectively, they tell a much different story, because each campaign tends to target African-Americans and send them off to fill new prisons, and provide jobs for people in rural areas. From the cradle to the grave in America, race matters, and as it relates to crime, more whites are arrested than blacks; but more blacks are in prison. The math is definitely fuzzy, and our nation’s court, parole, and probation system deserves closer inspection.

Note: In 2003, California voters recalled Gov. Gray Davis. Source for arrest by race statistics, increase of blacks behind bars between 1990 and 2001, and the total number 1,406,031 people incarcerated, come from the New York Times Almanac 2003 edition.

[evanovitch]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

mek mi ask dis an mi hope smaddy ansa...at wich point exactly is a black woman ,wedda in England, America r yaad, who see she come up outta hard life, see har single modda batta batta wid man an man n wid each chile fi di new man, life get harder....at wich point does that woman put a phensic between har knee an seh not me...no man naw get mi pregnant young, no man naw tell mi di said argument wich get rinse generation afta generation....birth control wich u haffi ha doctors prescription a farrin cudda buy a pharmacy a yaad...mi mean pill...it was wen mi was a teen n now is more modern time as dem youngsters love gwane like

if u cannot afford to mind uself u cannot afford to mind a chile...if a man naw put di ring pon u finga and betta still if him cannot mind himself wid extras leff him cannot mind u n definitely not a child

unwed childbearing was once forced on blacks....not having u child fi eva was forced on blacks as slavery meant u chile was chattel to be sold


we ovacome so much during slavery...we overcome so much during JimCrow r wicheva situation ur country had post slavery

so y all of a sudden we now putting ourselves bak in slavery


if u naw learn at school bookwise, learn a trade...how much more pride u have wen u homeless and unemployed as opposed to be too proud to farm a piece of land


communities need to be rebuilt as opposed to towns, housing scheme etc


in a community, u ha u barber, u tailor, u beef man, u teacher, u nurse, u cookie, u cultivator etc n people pull togedda...but no, progress wid cell phone , cyar n condom mean oonoo a form fool

mi juss frustrated wid di ssdd an waiting fi a new result from ssdd

[jah_yout]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

maybe black people should just stop having children...
that would solve the problem of black incarceration inna england, eengh

[evanovitch]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe black people should just stop having children...
that would solve the problem of black incarceration inna england, eengh </div></div>

some should, i agree, even if ur comment is tongue in cheek r oddawise

black kids in UK deh deh a try behave how dem tink yaadie behave..mi meet dem upfront...dem a live up to lyrics an bad bwoy movie...no country gi anybody anyting...even Jah had to fight fi him own...Haile Selassie fight fi di throne of Ethiopia...JC fought in the temple of HIm Father...so y we siddung yah a wait fi manna drop pon wi...memba seh di Manna came as long as the Israelites did wat Jah seh

an if u a loc dat deh hairstyle come from di lion, di KING of beasts...it come from di MAU MAU who fought wid spears gainst British guns...it come from Indians in India, one of the two longest lasting continuous civilisations...

so dem ha di wrong impression of wat dem suppose fi a ape

an all the gnashing of tongue gainst di man naw do nutten until we rise DESPITE di man as our ancestors did

each one teach one

[neutral]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe black people should just stop having children...
that would solve the problem of black incarceration inna england, eengh </div></div>

Maybe some black people should have children responsibly and not have X amount of children by X amount of irresponsible invisible fathers,then moan and groan when those children grow up lacking discipline and falls foul of the law.
There are certain people in the black community that continually play themselves as victims,they expect the state to pick up the slack in areas where they themselves should have taken responsibility for,and shout everyday about racism from the roof of their state owned houses and picking up their state handout checque every week.
There are also certain people in the black community that talk pure bullsh!t.....these are the dangerous ones,they hold back black people by continually telling them it is not their fault,its the fault of the white man,they have no other solution than to keep talking their bullshi!t,.....if a white man points out the glaring obvious inconsistencies he is a white racist,if a black man points it out he is a black sell-out,....meanwhile the same problems continue to pile up because any approach that is put forward is shot down by one or the other races as somehow misguided.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

May be because it is not their fault.....
Ever do a comparison with the white catholic irish in nothern ireland and blacks in britain?
Not to mention all suppressed people in every former colonies??
What they probably need to do is another Jewish solution ALA Nazi incinerators.
Of course it will be more sophosticated.
After all it is the 21st century.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe black people should just stop having children...
that would solve the problem of black incarceration inna england, eengh </div></div>

Maybe some black people should have children responsibly and not have X amount of children by X amount of irresponsible invisible fathers,then moan and groan when those children grow up lacking discipline and falls foul of the law.
There are certain people in the black community that continually play themselves as victims,they expect the state to pick up the slack in areas where they themselves should have taken responsibility for,and shout everyday about racism from the roof of their state owned houses and picking up their state handout checque every week.
There are also certain people in the black community that talk pure bullsh!t.....these are the dangerous ones,they hold back black people by continually telling them it is not their fault,its the fault of the white man,they have no other solution than to keep talking their bullshi!t,.....if a white man points out the glaring obvious inconsistencies he is a white racist,if a black man points it out he is a black sell-out,....meanwhile the same problems continue to pile up because any approach that is put forward is shot down by one or the other races as somehow misguided. </div></div>

[jah_yout]

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe black people should just stop having children...
that would solve the problem of black incarceration inna england, eengh </div></div>

Maybe some black people should have children responsibly and not have X amount of children by X amount of irresponsible invisible fathers,then moan and groan when those children grow up lacking discipline and falls foul of the law.
There are certain people in the black community that continually play themselves as victims,they expect the state to pick up the slack in areas where they themselves should have taken responsibility for,and shout everyday about racism from the roof of their state owned houses and picking up their state handout checque every week.
There are also certain people in the black community that talk pure bullsh!t.....these are the dangerous ones,they hold back black people by continually telling them it is not their fault,its the fault of the white man,they have no other solution than to keep talking their bullshi!t,.....if a white man points out the glaring obvious inconsistencies he is a white racist,if a black man points it out he is a black sell-out,....meanwhile the same problems continue to pile up because any approach that is put forward is shot down by one or the other races as somehow misguided. </div></div>


i guess you people have never heard of institutional racism...
oh yes all the blacks in prison are their own fault. they keep having children and not minding them and keep mooching off the government...
let's totally discard the deliberate criminalization that went on &amp; still goes on...
blacks must forever be twice as strong &amp; resourceful as the next man ...systematic injustice should be ignored and everytime blacks don't do so well it is due to having babies like roaches;
in my experience many of the kids i grew up with who were poor &amp; single parent made a strive for themselves...a lot of the ones i knew with 2 parents ran afoul of something...
more black men would be a part of the family if the system did not help in driving them somewhere else;
each person must take responsibility for their lives;

but to suggest that a segment of the population that is incarcerated at 7 times the rate of another in a racist society &amp; suggest it is merely a result of that group's actions alone is absurd.
the system also has a vested interest in keeping black men criminalized &amp; incarcrrated; that must also be addressed as much as single-parent households