More black people jailed in England...

**jah_yout** · 10-15-2010, 11:04 AM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe black people should just stop having children...
that would solve the problem of black incarceration inna england, eengh </div></div>

some should, i agree, even if ur comment is tongue in cheek r oddawise

black kids in UK deh deh a try behave how dem tink yaadie behave..mi meet dem upfront...dem a live up to lyrics an bad bwoy movie...no country gi anybody anyting...even Jah had to fight fi him own...Haile Selassie fight fi di throne of Ethiopia...JC fought in the temple of HIm Father...so y we siddung yah a wait fi manna drop pon wi...memba seh di Manna came as long as the Israelites did wat Jah seh

an if u a loc dat deh hairstyle come from di lion, di KING of beasts...it come from di MAU MAU who fought wid spears gainst British guns...it come from Indians in India, one of the two longest lasting continuous civilisations...

so dem ha di wrong impression of wat dem suppose fi a ape

an all the gnashing of tongue gainst di man naw do nutten until we rise DESPITE di man as our ancestors did

each one teach one </div></div>

the problem is you guys expect a rosy welcome & treatment in your former enslaver's homes...

and unnu ignore marcus cry of afrika for tje afrikans!

**neutral** · 10-15-2010, 12:12 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but to suggest that a segment of the population that is incarcerated at 7 times the rate of another in a racist society & suggest it is merely a result of that group's actions alone is absurd.</div></div>

No one suggested that the problem is solely a result of absent minded fathers,or one parent families,I put that forward as also one of the sympthoms that us as black people should look at,I said in my first response that there are institutionalised racism in the criminal justice system in the UK,that is widely accepted by all,but the problem is not solely racism alone.... not ALL black men are systematically carted off the streets and put in prison.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the system also has a vested interest in keeping black men criminalized & incarcrrated; that must also be addressed as much as single-parent households </div></div>

I see no credible evidence that the system has any vested interest in criminalizing black men,or indeed what that interest is,in the article that started this discussion there is no suggestion of widespread framing of innocent black men.
In my opinion the best way of avoiding being criminalized is to stay away from crime,being poor,or black is no excuse.

**evanovitch** · 10-15-2010, 12:32 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=jah_yout]</div></div>

the problem is you guys expect a rosy welcome & treatment in your former enslaver's homes...

and unnu ignore marcus cry of afrika for tje afrikans! </div></div>

an u expek a rosy welcome in Africa...wich pawt u expecting this wonderful treatment on the CONTINENT given dat man to man is unjuss dere also an dat is fi di homegrown , not the disaspora wid some unrealistic expectation of a triumphant return an thunderous welcome

'up! u mighty people', still unanswered in modern day Africa , on the continent as a whole it seems

**jah_yout** · 10-15-2010, 05:21 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but to suggest that a segment of the population that is incarcerated at 7 times the rate of another in a racist society & suggest it is merely a result of that group's actions alone is absurd.</div></div>

No one suggested that the problem is solely a result of absent minded fathers,or one parent families,I put that forward as also one of the sympthoms that us as black people should look at,I said in my first response that there are institutionalised racism in the criminal justice system in the UK,that is widely accepted by all,but the problem is not solely racism alone.... not ALL black men are systematically carted off the streets and put in prison.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the system also has a vested interest in keeping black men criminalized & incarcrrated; that must also be addressed as much as single-parent households </div></div>

I see no credible evidence that the system has any vested interest in criminalizing black men,or indeed what that interest is,in the article that started this discussion there is no suggestion of widespread framing of innocent black men.
In my opinion the best way of avoiding being criminalized is to stay away from crime,being poor,or black is no excuse. </div></div>

i don't know about england, but their children- america---

prison is big business and keeps a segment of the population employed...

it is a fact that black young men are railroaded into the criminal just-us system at a far greater rate than other folk...
police literally scour the neighborhoods as well as do stop & frisks, not to mention driving while black;
bad behavior can not be excused but why should the black community be OK with the majority of their young men being viewed and treated as criminals?;

we have to get our act together but we have to call out the racist system as well;

he who feels it knows it...

the rest can look up statistics & claim everything is level & on the up & up

**jah_yout** · 10-15-2010, 05:25 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=jah_yout]</div></div>

the problem is you guys expect a rosy welcome & treatment in your former enslaver's homes...

and unnu ignore marcus cry of afrika for tje afrikans! </div></div>

an u expek a rosy welcome in Africa...wich pawt u expecting this wonderful treatment on the CONTINENT given dat man to man is unjuss dere also an dat is fi di homegrown , not the disaspora wid some unrealistic expectation of a triumphant return an thunderous welcome

'up! u mighty people', still unanswered in modern day Africa , on the continent as a whole it seems </div></div>

some a unnu need fi wake up...
that same old yang about "africa doesn't want you" is propaganda to keep the continent weak;
obviously it is working with statements like yours;
i guess you are unaware of the work being done on the continent right now by some yardie;
look up sizzla in zimbabwe;

what a way africa came out to welcome buju, sizzla, capleton, morgan heritage, beres hammond, luciano, burning spear, etc.

first unnu betta puddung di white jesus portrait hang up pon unnu wall

**evanovitch** · 10-15-2010, 05:51 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=jah_yout]</div></div>

the problem is you guys expect a rosy welcome & treatment in your former enslaver's homes...

and unnu ignore marcus cry of afrika for tje afrikans! </div></div>

an u expek a rosy welcome in Africa...wich pawt u expecting this wonderful treatment on the CONTINENT given dat man to man is unjuss dere also an dat is fi di homegrown , not the disaspora wid some unrealistic expectation of a triumphant return an thunderous welcome

'up! u mighty people', still unanswered in modern day Africa , on the continent as a whole it seems </div></div>

some a unnu need fi wake up...
that same old yang about "africa doesn't want you" is propaganda to keep the continent weak;
obviously it is working with statements like yours;
i guess you are unaware of the work being done on the continent right now by some yardie;
look up sizzla in zimbabwe;

what a way africa came out to welcome buju, sizzla, capleton, morgan heritage, beres hammond, luciano, burning spear, etc.

first unnu betta puddung di white jesus portrait hang up pon unnu wall </div></div>

u need fi go fi see fi uself...u a lissen song an wear rose coloured glasses

sizzla a run from a beef

an every weh we tour we get welcomed

visit me fi entertain me is one ting

come gi mi competition is anodda

n my Orthodox Bible doan ha no white Jesus....

**jah_yout** · 10-15-2010, 06:26 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
u need fi go fi see fi uself...u a lissen song an wear rose coloured glasses

sizzla a run from a beef

an every weh we tour we get welcomed

visit me fi entertain me is one ting

come gi mi competition is anodda

n my Orthodox Bible doan ha no white Jesus.... </div></div>

you seem to take everything you read inna babylon newspapers to heart...

sizzla is in africa so he must be running from something;
everyone welcomes us???

do you think sizzla will be welcomed in san francisco the way he was welcomed in gambia?
given a presidential audience & taken to meet with top dignitaries?

did florida welcome buju the way gambia did or did they recruit a guy to try to take his freedom?

stay deh tink seh everyone a unnu friend while unnu believe dem propoganda seh wi fi leff afrika alone;

jamaica drank that kool-aid & so we remain self-hating exiles from our born land a look a likkle crumbs inna farrin...

even as we run from afrika & the caribbean they are running to it...much like harlem & brooklyn...

garvey's ghost fi tek a set again caw dem "black" people ya figet seh dem a afrikan

**neutral** · 10-15-2010, 06:36 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

you seem to take everything you read inna babylon newspapers to heart...

sizzla is in africa so he must be running from something;
everyone welcomes us???

do you think sizzla will be welcomed in san francisco the way he was welcomed in gambia?
given a presidential audience & taken to meet with top dignitaries?

did florida welcome buju the way gambia did or did they recruit a guy to try to take his freedom?

stay deh tink seh everyone a unnu friend while unnu believe dem propoganda seh wi fi leff afrika alone;

jamaica drank that kool-aid & so we remain self-hating exiles from our born land a look a likkle crumbs inna farrin...

even as we run from afrika & the caribbean they are running to it...much like harlem & brooklyn...

garvey's ghost fi tek a set again caw dem "black" people ya figet seh dem a afrikan

</div></div>

So why arent you in africa,and do you think when you do decide to go that they will give YOU a presidential audience and taken to meet top dignitaries...???

**jah_yout** · 10-15-2010, 06:42 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

you seem to take everything you read inna babylon newspapers to heart...

sizzla is in africa so he must be running from something;
everyone welcomes us???

do you think sizzla will be welcomed in san francisco the way he was welcomed in gambia?
given a presidential audience & taken to meet with top dignitaries?

did florida welcome buju the way gambia did or did they recruit a guy to try to take his freedom?

stay deh tink seh everyone a unnu friend while unnu believe dem propoganda seh wi fi leff afrika alone;

jamaica drank that kool-aid & so we remain self-hating exiles from our born land a look a likkle crumbs inna farrin...

even as we run from afrika & the caribbean they are running to it...much like harlem & brooklyn...

garvey's ghost fi tek a set again caw dem "black" people ya figet seh dem a afrikan

</div></div>

So why arent you in africa,and do you think when you do decide to go that they will give YOU a presidential audience and taken to meet top dignitaries...??? </div></div>

the world is my oyster...so i am not in africa-- yet-- but i know it is the motherland & the future-- and mi naw forget dat;

i am not an internationally known or important business figure--- yet; so why would i expect a presidential audience?

any other questions?

**neutral** · 10-15-2010, 06:45 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

you seem to take everything you read inna babylon newspapers to heart...

sizzla is in africa so he must be running from something;
everyone welcomes us???

do you think sizzla will be welcomed in san francisco the way he was welcomed in gambia?
given a presidential audience & taken to meet with top dignitaries?

did florida welcome buju the way gambia did or did they recruit a guy to try to take his freedom?

stay deh tink seh everyone a unnu friend while unnu believe dem propoganda seh wi fi leff afrika alone;

jamaica drank that kool-aid & so we remain self-hating exiles from our born land a look a likkle crumbs inna farrin...

even as we run from afrika & the caribbean they are running to it...much like harlem & brooklyn...

garvey's ghost fi tek a set again caw dem "black" people ya figet seh dem a afrikan

</div></div>

So why arent you in africa,and do you think when you do decide to go that they will give YOU a presidential audience and taken to meet top dignitaries...??? </div></div>

the world is my oyster...so i am not in africa-- yet-- but i know it is the motherland & the future-- and mi naw forget dat;

i am not an internationally known or important business figure--- yet; so why would i expect a presidential audience?

</div></div>

LOL !

**evanovitch** · 10-15-2010, 06:45 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
u need fi go fi see fi uself...u a lissen song an wear rose coloured glasses

sizzla a run from a beef

an every weh we tour we get welcomed

visit me fi entertain me is one ting

come gi mi competition is anodda

n my Orthodox Bible doan ha no white Jesus.... </div></div>

you seem to take everything you read inna babylon newspapers to heart...

sizzla is in africa so he must be running from something;
everyone welcomes us???

do you think sizzla will be welcomed in san francisco the way he was welcomed in gambia?
given a presidential audience & taken to meet with top dignitaries?

did florida welcome buju the way gambia did or did they recruit a guy to try to take his freedom?

stay deh tink seh everyone a unnu friend while unnu believe dem propoganda seh wi fi leff afrika alone;

jamaica drank that kool-aid & so we remain self-hating exiles from our born land a look a likkle crumbs inna farrin...

even as we run from afrika & the caribbean they are running to it...much like harlem & brooklyn...

garvey's ghost fi tek a set again caw dem "black" people ya figet seh dem a afrikan

</div></div>

i will low u continued belief dat i rely SOLELY on second hand info

an i say dat if him wasnt Sizzla him asset wouldnt get no welcome a Africa more dan him buy a ticket, tek di plane , deplane an customs n immigration hassle him said asset fi mek a money as a visiting tourist

wen u can tell mi how di said continent of fans who owe billions at this point to reggae artists fi how many decades of non payment fi use of dem music, den u wi see dat a plot of iffy land is nutten new

now as to be self hating. not me baba...not dis yah yaadie...u on the other hand , at times display a naivete wich conscious yute from yaad use to tek time n effort to eliminate from demself widdout di tunnel vision u hold fast too...

but dat is wat mek u a yaad juss like my firmly held views mek mi one too

sometimes u need fi evaluate weh u quick to deride,especially wen it is serious tings...

noone , well i in no way decry Africa but it is not the panacea, shall i say, for all that ails the diaspora and it does have its own growing pains across the board

**jah_yout** · 10-15-2010, 07:27 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL !</div></div>

maybe in england it's a joke...

but here in the us of a...not so much;

this is an intelligent breakdown of the situation

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**jah_yout** · 10-15-2010, 07:32 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
u need fi go fi see fi uself...u a lissen song an wear rose coloured glasses

sizzla a run from a beef

an every weh we tour we get welcomed

visit me fi entertain me is one ting

come gi mi competition is anodda

n my Orthodox Bible doan ha no white Jesus.... </div></div>

you seem to take everything you read inna babylon newspapers to heart...

sizzla is in africa so he must be running from something;
everyone welcomes us???

do you think sizzla will be welcomed in san francisco the way he was welcomed in gambia?
given a presidential audience & taken to meet with top dignitaries?

did florida welcome buju the way gambia did or did they recruit a guy to try to take his freedom?

stay deh tink seh everyone a unnu friend while unnu believe dem propoganda seh wi fi leff afrika alone;

jamaica drank that kool-aid & so we remain self-hating exiles from our born land a look a likkle crumbs inna farrin...

even as we run from afrika & the caribbean they are running to it...much like harlem & brooklyn...

garvey's ghost fi tek a set again caw dem "black" people ya figet seh dem a afrikan

</div></div>

i will low u continued belief dat i rely SOLELY on second hand info

an i say dat if him wasnt Sizzla him asset wouldnt get no welcome a Africa more dan him buy a ticket, tek di plane , deplane an customs n immigration hassle him said asset fi mek a money as a visiting tourist

wen u can tell mi how di said continent of fans who owe billions at this point to reggae artists fi how many decades of non payment fi use of dem music, den u wi see dat a plot of iffy land is nutten new

now as to be self hating. not me baba...not dis yah yaadie...u on the other hand , at times display a naivete wich conscious yute from yaad use to tek time n effort to eliminate from demself widdout di tunnel vision u hold fast too...

but dat is wat mek u a yaad juss like my firmly held views mek mi one too

sometimes u need fi evaluate weh u quick to deride,especially wen it is serious tings...

noone , well i in no way decry <span style="font-weight: bold">Africa but it is not the panacea</span>, shall i say, for all that ails the diaspora and it does have its own growing pains across the board

</div></div>

i doubt i have ever used that word & africa in the same sentence...

in any case, more to the topic;
if you have an open mind i beseech you watch this...

bless

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**Panajar** · 10-16-2010, 11:38 AM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

Given the history of the Brits towards blacks(one of bloody subjugation) no reasonable individual especially of African descent ,should be incline to give them the benefit of the doubt in this situation. What is even more puzzling given the fact that some Brits (for whatever reasons) have produce evidence to support their claims that the racist system which exist has target blacks for continued subjugation, yet we still have some blacks that feel obligated to fabricate excuses for their beloved Britain.

After viewing some of these posts I find the following quote by Ian Thompson (from his book the deadyard) most appropriate and at the same time disturbing ,given the bloody history of the Brits in Jamaica. <span style="font-size: 14pt">“To the post-imperial reader it may seems surprising-even shocking -that some Jamaicans should hold romantic opinions of Empire or at least display a pious Anglo patriotism.”
</span>
Edward Bernay(Sigmund Freud nephew and father of modern manipulation/propaganda).would be proud of the Brits, they have definitely utilized his techniques with ruthless efficiency .I always knew that conditioning could be effective. But some of these responses has taken it to another level, to the point of even implying that maybe blacks should have less kids and that would some how solve the racial injustice that exist in Britain and other parts of the world.

**neutral** · 10-16-2010, 08:23 PM

Re: More black people jailed in England...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Given the history of the Brits towards blacks(one of bloody subjugation) no reasonable individual especially of African descent ,should be incline to give them the benefit of the doubt in this situation. What is even more puzzling given the fact that some Brits (for whatever reasons) have produce evidence to support their claims that the racist system which exist has target blacks for continued subjugation, yet we still have some blacks that feel obligated to fabricate excuses for their beloved Britain.

After viewing some of these posts I find the following quote by Ian Thompson (from his book the deadyard) most appropriate and at the same time disturbing ,given the bloody history of the Brits in Jamaica. <span style="font-size: 14pt">“To the post-imperial reader it may seems surprising-even shocking -that some Jamaicans should hold romantic opinions of Empire or at least display a pious Anglo patriotism.”
</span>
Edward Bernay(Sigmund Freud nephew and father of modern manipulation/propaganda).would be proud of the Brits, they have definitely utilized his techniques with ruthless efficiency .I always knew that conditioning could be effective. But some of these responses has taken it to another level, to the point of even implying that maybe blacks should have less kids and that would some how solve the racial injustice that exist in Britain and other parts of the world. </div></div>

First of all,no one suggested that blacks should have "less kids" go back and read and try and understand the main thrust of what is being said before you take things out of context to fit your own narrow view of what should be.
You know,...I hear stuff being said and written by people like you and those in your camp and sometime I just laugh,other times I simply shake my head,you have absolutely no idea,you talk,talk,talk and then some more talk,repeating the same old mantra,the same old cliched arguments,whether it is quoting garvey,thompson,or some other post slavery urban warrior without a pause,and the one thing that strikes me most is that you bring nothing new to the table,....no solution,absobloody lutely nothing ! ! !
All you (and those in your camp) do is rubbish every idea that is put forward,you advise black people not to do anything,it's not their fault they are trampled on by the white man,dont change anything,just sit tight,better will come one day,...it is all the white man's fault,he is the oppressor,...you bring nothing to the table yourself except a bag of hot air and fancy quotes from long dead so-called heros who themselves failed in their endeavour to repatriate black people to africa,the utopia of all black people which is currently mired in so much poverty,wars,and tribal feudalism even they themselves when not handing out a begging bowl is trampling over each other to get to anywhere except africa.
Until you have some tangible solutions yourself,and have something new to bring to the table regarding the black man's opression in white society dont even begin to dictate to anyone what they can or can not put forward for the future upliftment of our race......and that goes for all the other hot air balloons.

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