Wisconsin protests: why 'week of rage' matters to

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dudd, this is not about trying to reduce benefits! They have that part all figured out. It is over the right to collectively BARGAIN.

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Trying to reduce benefits is a far cry from union busting.

Is That the spin you Republicans in human clothings plan to use later when union busting becomes more recognized and unpopular In a few months?</div></div>
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That is what the union member fireman is suggesting.
I know the policy.
This is only a strategy being used at this juncture to achieve the overall policy of returning the us to a third world country by destroying the middle class.

[jah_yout]

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but didn't i just read that the mid-west states are going 'red'?

they vote a republican into governorship &amp; feel bad now that he shows his stripes...

in any case respect to the people fighting back...
americans have become so passive in the face of the corporate dictatorship &amp; their politician puppets that it is refreshing to see a good standoff...

get up stand up!

[RichD]

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so they asked the Governor if the union accepted the financial measure would that be agreeable..he said no

[Nanook]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but didn't i just read that the mid-west states are going 'red'?

<span style="font-weight: bold">they vote a republican into governorship &amp; feel bad now that he shows his stripes...</span>

in any case respect to the people fighting back...
americans have become so passive in the face of the corporate dictatorship &amp; their politician puppets that it is refreshing to see a good standoff...

get up stand up! </div></div>

THEY, being the operative word here jah_yout. Though I generally feel voting is a waste of time in every sense of the word, I still do it. (cause then I feel I have a right to [censored], lol). There are many of us who did NOT vote for this eeediot.

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i believe it is union busting in the said way that Reagan used the air-trafficers strike to break dat union and set off the anti-union mood that still prevales

i find it ironic that unions made this country great n here in 2011 they r denigrated </div></div>

koch brothers are behind the union busting business

the Kochs are determined to make Wisconsin a laboratory of corporate oligarchy.

wisconsin battlefield

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so they asked the Governor if the union accepted the financial measure would that be agreeable..he said no </div></div>
And he doesn't even have the foresight not to admit it before he accomplished his objective.
One thing is common among the leaders of the Republican party at all levels.

They all believe That common sense is a skill to apply to solve all problems the face.

In their world a college education has no useful purpose.

[Nanook]

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12 Things You Need to Know About the Uprising in Wisconsin

I am not gonna bother with the copy/paste business, it is long but worth a read for those interested..

Read it here

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">12 Things You Need to Know About the Uprising in Wisconsin

I am not gonna bother with the copy/paste business, it is long but worth a read for those interested..

Read it here </div></div>


I see we read the same links Nanook!

[Nanook]

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Gotta love facebook for a information gathering source Kia!

A close friend has a son who works for the University at Madison. She is being very active so I am reading along. I am scared half out of my wits, actually. This is so alarming. I spose I could pack up and sell and go back to Minnesota but that isn't the answer either. I left there for other reasons such as I didn't agree with the way things were run. There was a time Canada was looking good. I am fresh out of answers!

[johnnycakes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gotta love facebook for a information gathering source Kia!

A close friend has a son who works for the University at Madison. She is being very active so I am reading along. I am scared half out of my wits, actually. This is so alarming. I spose I could pack up and sell and go back to Minnesota but that isn't the answer either. I left there for other reasons such as I didn't agree with the way things were run. There was a time Canada was looking good. I am fresh out of answers! </div></div>


Nanook,

In the end, it all boils down to the undemocratic form of economy that we have that is controlled from the top down and with very, very little say on how things should be done by the workers.

The Supreme court has given the corporations the right to spend as much money as they want to push their agenda on the public and in electing right wingers who will do what is profitable for the corporations and decidedly not for the working people.


Of course if you agree with me, you'd have to be a socialist or a communist and/or also believe in democracy.

[johnnycakes]

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And here's everybody's favorite, Noam Chomsky's response to the question of why the Democrat Party doesn't join with the union workers in Wisconsin.

NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s very interesting. The reason why you can’t get Democratic leaders to join is because they agree. They are also trying to destroy the unions. In fact, if you take a look at—take, say, the lame-duck session. The great achievement in the lame-duck session for which Obama is greatly praised by Democratic Party leaders is that they achieved bipartisan agreement on several measures. The most important one was the tax cut. And the issue in the tax cut—there was only one issue—should there be a tax cut for the very rich? The population was overwhelmingly against it, I think about two to one. There wasn’t even a discussion of it, they just gave it away. And the very same time, the less noticed was that Obama declared a tax increase for federal workers. Now, it wasn’t called a &quot;tax increase&quot;; it’s called a &quot;freeze.&quot; But if you think for 30 seconds, a freeze on pay for a federal workers is fiscally identical to a tax increase for federal workers. And when you extend it for five years, as he said later, that means a decrease, because of population growth, inflation and so on. So he basically declared an increase in taxes for federal workers at the same time that there’s a tax decrease for the very rich.

And there’s been a wave of propaganda over the last couple of months, which is pretty impressive to watch, trying to deflect attention away from those who actually created the economic crisis, like Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, their associates in the government who—Federal Reserve and others—let all this go on and helped it. There’s a—to switch attention away from them to the people really responsible for the crisis—teachers, police, firefighters, sanitation workers, their huge pensions, their incredible healthcare benefits, Cadillac healthcare benefits, and their unions, who are the real villains, the ones who are robbing the taxpayer by making sure that policemen may not starve when they retire. And this is pretty amazing, like right in the middle of the Madison affair, which is critical.

[Nanook]

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I agree. I am sad and afraid and starting to lose seep at night

[jamaica_dreamin]

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An even more truthful statement would be that the government (both Democrats and Republicans) is doing what the real owners of the government; the corporations want them to do bust the unions and any say the workers have over working conditions and pay.

The sad truth!

[jamaica_dreamin]

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Wait till Rick Scott gets busy making life hell for working people in Florida!

[johnnycakes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I agree. I am sad and afraid and starting to lose seep at night </div></div>


Well, you have good reason to worry,
Things are going to get a lot worse and they will have to before the U.S public gets around to realizing what the problems really are. The two leading candidates are the failing of capitalism as we know it and just how misled most of us have been by the government and by the (corporate) media into thinking it's the communist Soviet Union or Muslims or the Mexicans or the welfare people or the terrorists that are the problems.
Oh, we have met the enemy alright, but it is us.

We are not coming out of this recession and life for the working poor and the once and shrinking middle class will steadily decline for the foreseeable future.