Farrakhan warns and advises Obama on Libya

[Emperah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ill say it like i say to christians,jews whomever-politics and religion,,then mixing the two makes for a volatile cocktail.

but this guy and his false american style islam NOI nonsense. </div></div>

Bwoy yuh cyan chat a bag full a foolishness when yuh ready ee

Yuh obviously know nuttin bout wah de islamic world feels bout de ministah ar what brand of islam he teaches.
De church, mosque, sinagoge is de perfect place to bring up what a gwaan inna society and galvanize de ppl against a ting. Yuh know how much betta de world would be if more ppl in de front a pulpits would do dis instead a concentrating pan de collection plate?

[Emperah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what exactly does that mean - was it spliced together or some one put words into his mouth

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Look like dem nuh waan de truth outdeh, what a ting. Mi glad mi dungload de vid, mi tink mi mightan poas it again laytah fi si wapm

[Emperah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

&quot;Obama is a good man, but he's under the control of bad people&quot;

Right. And all the other (white) presidents were BAD men under the control of bad people.
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yes mi agree wid dat statement deh, but mi wouldan nevah seh Obama is a good man

[Stormmey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ill say it like i say to christians,jews whomever-politics and religion,,then mixing the two makes for a volatile cocktail.

but this guy and his false american style islam NOI nonsense. </div></div>

Bwoy yuh cyan chat a bag full a foolishness when yuh ready ee

<span style="font-weight: bold">Yuh obviously know nuttin bout wah de islamic world feels bout de ministah ar what brand of islam he teaches</span>.
De church, mosque, sinagoge is de perfect place to bring up what a gwaan inna society and galvanize de ppl against a ting. Yuh know how much betta de world would be if more ppl in de front a pulpits would do dis instead a concentrating pan de collection plate? </div></div>


I was in Toronto few years back visiting a friend from Uni and she begged me to come to a lecture with her Farrakan was broadcasting. I went relluctantly because I got home from clubbing 3 in the morning and have to wake up before 10 to go. I was pleasantly surprised.....he spoke a lot of truths and his speech was moving. I just think they are too strict for me but not knocking them because it is not for me.

[johnnycakes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Johnny cakes--the NOI is nothing but a mere Detroit style islam for &quot;African Americans&quot;
bunch a crap.

matter of fact,,the Islamic world thinks of him as a blasphemous infidel and its only here where the African American is brainwashed into his stupid rhetoric. </div></div>

I haven't come across any stupid rhetoric from Farrakhan. </div></div>


Derek,

Farrakhan is a minister of a sect of Islam that is even less sensible than the original.
As such he regularly spouts nonsense.

He does often make sense when he talks on political issues which is unusual for any religious person since they are by belief, totalitarians.

I have problems listening to him because of that church style delivery he uses in place of a more moderate and intellectual tone.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Johnny cakes--the NOI is nothing but a mere Detroit style islam for &quot;African Americans&quot;
bunch a crap.

matter of fact,,the Islamic world thinks of him as a blasphemous infidel and its only here where the African American is brainwashed into his stupid rhetoric. </div></div>

I haven't come across any stupid rhetoric from Farrakhan. </div></div>


Derek,

Farrakhan is a minister of a sect of Islam that is even less sensible than the original.
As such he regularly spouts nonsense.

He does often make sense when he talks on political issues which is unusual for any religious person since they are by belief, totalitarians.

I have problems listening to him because of that church style delivery he uses in place of a more moderate and intellectual tone. </div></div>


did you actually listen to the clip or just totally disregarding it based on his past or present religious affiliations...
are you disregarding what he says based on his delivery?
does the style outweigh the substance?

[Emperah]

Re: Farrakhan warns and advises Obama on Libya

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Johnny cakes--the NOI is nothing but a mere Detroit style islam for &quot;African Americans&quot;
bunch a crap.

matter of fact,,the Islamic world thinks of him as a blasphemous infidel and its only here where the African American is brainwashed into his stupid rhetoric. </div></div>

I haven't come across any stupid rhetoric from Farrakhan. </div></div>


Derek,

Farrakhan is a minister of a sect of Islam that is even less sensible than the original.
As such <span style="font-weight: bold">he regularly spouts nonsense.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">He does often make sense when he talks on political issues</span> which is unusual for any religious person since they are by belief, totalitarians.

I have problems listening to him because of that church style delivery he uses in place of a more moderate and intellectual tone. </div></div>

SO;
How can smaddy regularly spout nonsense and often make sense, does dat mek sense to you?

Fi dem Islam actually makes more sense than the so-called original, but in anycase it is obvious that you shut nuff of it out because of your paradigm.

He's a leader of a large group of ppl, a leader who had put together a network admired by many of the world over. Including farms with distribution, stores, security group etc. So where else would he give his speech, warnings or POV's on any subject, where is it better for him to deliver what he feels the need to deliver?

Just because one doesn't do his delivery in the manner YOU would prefer doesn't mek anyting wrong wid it. The fact that you have a problem with the uniform of the FOI shows that you just want them to fall in some sort of line and be more normal. The FOI is a very respected security detail who is asked all over for the expertise in the work they do.

[Emperah]

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Found the Original video HERE!!!

and here

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[Emperah]

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Farrakhan warns, advises Obama on Libya policy, proper guidance for America

CHICAGO (FinalCall.com) - In his first interview since the successful Nation of Islam Saviours' Day 2011 convention, the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan sat down in the studio with popular radio host and long-time friend Cliff Kelley on WVON-AM 1690 for a two and a half hour conversation.


A critically important portion of the discussion centered on the unrest in the North African country of Libya which the Minister spoke about for the very first time during his recent keynote address. He provided even more layered contextual understanding when questioned by Mr. Kelley March 10. Then the subject of Libya was raised. When the western media began reporting on Libya, Febbruary 15, it seemed as if it was a foregone conclusion that Col. Muammar Gadhafi would be ousted in the country he has led for over 42 years. Now, nearly a month later, he remains in power.

On March 12, the Arab League agreed on asking the United Nations to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, days earlier, the African Union voted against it.

Al-Arabiya reported March 14 U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived in Paris to sit down with Foreign Ministers from Russian, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan. A no-fly zone plan is reportedly being presented to NATO on March 15, according to Secretary Clinton.

It is no secret that the Nation of Islam and Minister Farrakhan have enjoyed a mutually beneficial relationship with the Libyan leader for decades. The United States has long opposed Col. Gadhafi and attempted to force him out of office even bombing his country during the Reagan administration, Minister Farrakhan noted.

The Minister blasted President Obama and Secretary Clinton for their arrogance in meddling in another sovereign nation's affairs and publicly recommending regime change.

Minister Farrakhan instructed Americans to look beneath the surface to see who stands to benefit from the unrest, and warned President Obama to be careful of the words coming from advisors lobbying him to move in with military forces to depose Col. Gadhafi.

&quot;Well, today our dear brother (Obama) has to be very, very careful in this decision that he and his Secretary of State, and [French President Nicolas] Sarkozy and [British] Prime Minister [David] Cameron and others are planning. They would love to go into Libya and kill Brother Gadhafi, and kill his children as they did with Saddam Hussein and his sons, Qusay and Uday. You must remember, dear people of America, that whenever government wants you to think and act in a certain way that would bring justification to an action that they are already planning to make, they must make the person that they hate a 'boogey man,' &quot; he said. Col. Gadhafi, who led a bloodless coup against a U.S. ally over 40 years ago, has seen constant negative publicity and was once called the &quot;Mad Dog of the Middle East&quot; by American leaders and analysts.



People unhappy with government are not solely in Libya, he pointed out. Many are unhappy with Mr. Obama, he said.

The U.S. government has a long history of deposing leaders of other nations in order to get natural resources, more specifically-oil, he continued, saying the imperialistic forces are not interested in saving those being killed, it is just a &quot;noble motive to hide your (the U.S. government's) wicked agenda!&quot;

&quot;When George W. Bush was president, he said they wanted regime change in Iran, in (North) Korea regime change-how do you get regime change America? How do you do that? Congress, the Congress of the United States, voted to spend $150 million to replace the government in Iran that America doesn't like, so they send their agents in to work among the dissatisfied. So when they had this election, and the people in Iran rose up, they have legitimate grievances, all right-but stimulated from the outside,&quot; Minister Farrakhan continued. &quot;Well, what about Libya? How much money is being spent to arm the so-called rebels? They're dissatisfied! Well, what is their dissatisfaction about? Do they (Libyans) have jobs? Yes. Do they have food? Yes. Has Gadhafi used the oil money to build Libya? Yes. Did Gadhafi use oil money and discover water under the Sahara Desert, and brought that water to the surface; and brought water from Benghazi all the way to the border almost of Tunisia? Did he impose farming in the desert so that they could feed their own people? Yes. Are there billions of dollars that he's spending building homes, building apartments for his people? Yes. So something is under this!&quot; said Minister Farrakhan.

&quot;Is it that you're (U.S. officials) so concerned over the blood that is being shed in Libya, when you looked the other way when the Israeli Defense Force was bombing the innocent people of Gaza, unarmed men, women and children? ... You looked the other way when the Israeli Defense Force went into Lebanon thinking that they were going to have an easy victory, then you had to come out with your tail between your legs?&quot;

Minister Farrakhan said Col. Gadhafi has been investing money in Africa, enjoys international friendship, and should not be killed simply because he is not America's friend.

&quot;Now, I want to warn you, in the Name of Allah, that this is more complex than what you think! Go into Libya if you want to. The Libyans do not want foreign occupation on their land. And when you make that kind of move, if you're not careful, you'll unite the Libyan people against you!&quot;

Inside America members of the Branch Davidian religious sect were killed in 1993 in Waco, Texas, by federal law enforcement, while men, women and children of the MOVE organization were killed when police bombed their home during a 1985 standoff in Philadelphia, he said. Current American outrage is nothing but hypocrisy, the Minister said.

To President Obama, Minister Farrakhan delivered a pointed warning: &quot;Don't let these wicked demons move you in a direction that will absolutely ruin your future with your people in Africa and throughout the world. They don't like the way you handled (former Egyptian President Hosni) Mubarak! They don't like the way you're handling the situation in the Arab world! So I would advise you to be careful-and move with wisdom and skill.

And then, Minister Farrakhan offered President Obama some divine advice.

&quot;Why don't you organize a group of respected Americans, and ask for a meeting with Gadhafi? You can't order him to step down, and get out-who the hell do you think you are, that you can talk to a man that built a country over 42 years, and ask him step down and get out? Can anybody ask you? Well, well there's a lot, now, [that are] going to ask you to step out of the White House, because they don't want a Black face in the White House,&quot; said Minister Farrakhan.

&quot;Be careful, brother, how you handle this situation because it is coming to America! It has already started. Look in Wisconsin! Look in Ohio! Look at what's going on in your country! And remember your words because the American people are rising against their own government: It's not Muslims; it's not Black people! It's White militias that are angry with their government, and they are well armed. Are you going to tell them-'Put your arms down, and let's talk it over peacefully?' I hope so. But if not, America will be bathed in blood, not because Farrakhan said so, but because the dissatisfaction in America has reached the boiling point. Be careful how you manipulate the dissatisfaction in Libya and other parts of the Muslim world,&quot; he warned.

ehee

[johnnycakes]

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Derek,

Farrakhan is a minister of a sect of Islam that is even less sensible than the original.
As such he regularly spouts nonsense.

He does often make sense when he talks on political issues which is unusual for any religious person since they are by belief, totalitarians.

I have problems listening to him because of that church style delivery he uses in place of a more moderate and intellectual tone. [/quote]


did you actually listen to the clip or just totally disregarding it based on his past or present religious affiliations...
are you disregarding what he says based on his delivery?
does the style outweigh the substance? [/quote]


jah_yout,
I've been listening to Farrakhan for many many years.
I believe he's a local product (Boston area) an I was driving cab when the NOI was in its infancy and there was a mosque in the Grove Hall section of the city and a NOI restaurant nearby. I frequently bought copies of Mohammed Speaks, the NOI newspaper from the street vendors. I know Farrakhan.

I listened to most of the video and as I said Farrakhan is very often on the money about U.S foreign policy and not surprisingly as a form of Muslim and someone who plays on the wickedness of the white establishment, Obama notwithstanding.

The fact is that I do not HAVE to listen to Farrakhan in his churchy style which annoys me since I have many other sources and better for the same information he may have but in a more agreeable form.

I don't like his religion (or any religion)
I don't like his speaking style.
I don't like his hair.
I like the substance of what I have known of his beliefs regarding U.S foreign policy but reserve the right to disagree with things he may have said which I have not heard and with which I would disagree..

[neutral]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I listened to most of the video and as I said Farrakhan is very often on the money about U.S foreign policy and not surprisingly as a form of Muslim and someone who plays on the wickedness of the white establishment, Obama notwithstanding.

The fact is that I do not HAVE to listen to Farrakhan in his churchy style which annoys me since I have many other sources and better for the same information he may have but in a more agreeable form.

I don't like his religion (or any religion)
I don't like his speaking style.
I don't like his hair.
I like the substance of what I have known of his beliefs regarding U.S foreign policy but reserve the right to disagree with things he may have said which I have not heard and with which I would disagree.. </div></div>

Who cares what his religion is,or his speaking style,or his hairstyle,in my opinion he is the only one in america willing to stick his neck out and say exactly what needs to be said,especially with the hypocrisy of US foreign policy,and the lies it tells to the american people to justify it,s illegal meddling in other countries.

I dont see any other sources out there that tells it like it should be told,the honest unvarnished truth,if mr farahkan is brave enough and willing to stand up and say what some just think,but wouldnt dare put their heads above the parapet,..then for me he can be whatever religion he wants,..wear his hair however he wants,..and speak in a squeakiy voice if he wishes.

[X]

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the longer one live and WORK in North America, the more one will grow to appreciate the Farakans of this earth...
While he rambles, he was correct.

See I'm learning more and more that north america is ruled by Unintelligent, academically well-trained monkeys.... its all smoke and mirrors..

The &quot;rambling&quot;, &quot;senile&quot; Farakans of this earth are the ones who can see the Matrix for what it really is..

[Emperah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Who cares what his religion is,or his speaking style,or his hairstyle,in my opinion he is the only one in america willing to stick his neck out and say exactly what needs to be said,especially with the hypocrisy of US foreign policy,and the lies it tells to the american people to justify it,s illegal meddling in other countries.

I dont see any other sources out there that tells it like it should be told,the honest unvarnished truth,if mr farahkan is brave enough and willing to stand up and say what some just think,but wouldnt dare put their heads above the parapet,..then for me he can be whatever religion he wants,..wear his hair however he wants,..and speak in a squeakiy voice if he wishes. </div></div>

Yes Nat gwaan

[johnnycakes]

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&quot;I dont see any other sources out there that tells it like it should be told,the honest unvarnished truth.&quot;



Well, I always liked Farrakhan on his outspoken and anti-empire views but there are numerous sources that go much father than him as regards what is wrong with the society. (links below)

I will always have problems with his huckstering of unlikely myths (as regards Islam and the prophecy of Elijah Muhammad) and the foisting of another enslaving system on black Americans.

I'll take my truth straight and without the ridiculous trappings of the NOI.

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet

http://www.tomdispatch.com/