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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
he says the slave ship ride was like riding on crowded airplane. he needs to be thrown to the lions. lol -
Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
he should be defrocked first dwlComment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
I think many black people think like this to some extent.
This is the storyline we're sold, that white people 'civilized' africans when they'd infact destroyed their civilizations.
No set of people in this whole world has been more consistently savage than white people from the western part of Eurasia.
Every other race (that survived!) has horror stories of their UNSOLICITED dealings with them and they very nearly annihiliated themselves in two hellish mega-wars on their own turf.
Most African countries today, which became independent colonies in the 60s-70s, have EUROPEAN official languages and all of their borders were created by white people.
The dysfunctional aspects of modern Africa is a product of white european racial/political/military/imperialistic policy.
This is the irrefutable witness of recorded history.
But some of us are plugged into a matrix of patently obvious falsehoods that shapes our warped understanding of reality.
So we'll do things like thank evil people for raiding our ancestral home, fomenting disunity there, kidnapping our ancestors, and dooming multiple generations to existence as a "thing".Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most African countries today, which became independent colonies in the 60s-70s, have EUROPEAN official languages and all of their borders were created by white people.
The dysfunctional aspects of modern Africa is a product of white european racial/political/military/imperialistic policy.
This is the irrefutable witness of recorded history.
But some of us are plugged into a matrix of patently obvious falsehoods that shapes <span style="font-weight: bold">our warped understanding of reality</span>.
<span style="font-weight: bold">So we'll do things like thank evil people for raiding our ancestral home, fomenting disunity there, kidnapping our ancestors, and dooming multiple generations to existence as a "thing</span> </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">WARPED UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY?</span> If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious....
You need a history lesson. White people did not kidnap your ancestors. They were kidnapped and sold by other blacks. Why do people continue to perpetuate a lie?
Is it easier to continue to blame someone else for your plight instead of taking responsibility for your own actions?
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The Origins of the Slave Trade
In 1807 Britain outlawed slavery. In 1820 the king of the African kingdom of Ashanti inquired why the Christians did not want to trade slaves with him anymore, since they worshipped the same god as the Muslims and the Muslims were continuing the trade like before.
<span style="font-weight: bold">The civil rights movement of the 1960's have left many people with the belief that the slave trade was exclusively a European/USA phenomenon and only evil white people were to blame for it.</span> This is a simplicistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts.
Thousands of records of transactions are available on a CDROM prepared by Harvard University and several comprehensive books have been published recently on the origins of modern slavery (namely, Hugh Thomas' The Slave Trade and Robin Blackburn's The Making Of New World Slavery) that shed new light on centuries of slave trading.
What these records show is that the modern slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. In most instances, no violence was necessary to obtain those slaves. <span style="font-weight: bold">Contrary to legends and novels and Hollywood movies, the white traders did not need to savagely kill entire tribes in order to exact their tribute in slaves. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The kings would gladly sell their own subjects</span>.
<span style="font-weight: bold">This explains why slavery became "black". Ancient slavery, e.g. under the Roman empire, would not discriminate: slaves were both white and black (so were Emperors and Popes). In the middle ages, all European countries outlawed slavery (of course, Western powers retained countless "civilized" ways to enslave their citizens, but that's another story), whereas the African kingdoms happily continued in their trade. Therefore, only colored people could be slaves, and that is how the stereotype for African-American slavery was born. It was not based on an ancestral hatred of blacks by whites, but simply on the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves, and they were selling people of their own race</span>. (To be precise, Christians were also selling Muslim slaves captured in war, and Muslims were selling Christian slaves captured in war, but neither the Christians of Europe nor the Muslims of Africa and the Middle East were selling their own people).
Then the Muslim trade of African slaves came to a stop when Arab domination was reduced by the Crusades. (Note: Arabs continued to capture and sell slaves, but only in the Mediterranean. In fact, Robert Davis estimates that 1.25 million European Christians were enslaved by the "barbary states" of northern Africa. The USA bombed Morocco, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli in 1801 precisely to stop that Arab slave trade of Christians. The rate of mortality of those Christian slaves in the Islamic world was roughly the same as the mortality rate in the Atlantic slave trade of the same period.)
Christians took over in black Africa, though. The first ones were the Portuguese, who, applying an idea that originally developed in Italian seatrading cities, and often using Italian venture capital, started exploiting sub-Saharan slaves in the 1440s to support the economy of the sugar plantations (mainly for their own African colonies of Sao Tome and Madeira).
The Dutch were the first, apparently, to import black slaves into North America, but black slaves had already been employed all over the world, including South and Central America. We tend to focus on what happened in North America because the United States would eventually fight a war over slavery (and it's in the U.S. that large sectors of the population would start condemning slavery, contrary to the indifference that Muslims and most Europeans showed for it).
Even after Europeans began transporting black slaves to America, most trade was just that: "trade". In most instances, the Europeans did not need to use any force to get those slaves. The slaves were "sold" more or less legally by their (black) owners. Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans (most of them before 1776, when the USA wasn't yet born) and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs. The legends of European mercenaries capturing free people in the jungle are mostly just that: legends. A few mercenaries certainly stormed peaceful tribes and committed terrible crimes, but that was not the rule. There was no need to risk their lives, so most of them didn't: they simply purchased people.
As an African-American scholar (Nathan Huggins) has written, the "identity" of black Africans is largely a white invention: sub-Saharan Africans never felt like they were one people, they felt (and still feel) that they belonged to different tribes. The distinctions of tribe were far stronger than the distinctions of race.
Everything else is true: millions of slaves died on ships and of diseases, millions of blacks worked for free to allow the Western economies to prosper, and the economic interests in slavery became so strong that the southern states of the United States opposed repealing it. But those millions of slaves were just one of the many instances of mass exploitation: the industrial revolution was exported to the USA by enterpreuners exploiting millions of poor immigrants from Europe. The fate of those immigrants was not much better than the fate of the slaves in the South. As a matter of fact, many slaves enjoyed far better living conditions in the southern plantations than European immigrants in the industrial cities (which were sometimes comparable to concentration camps). It is not a coincidence that slavery was abolished at a time when millions of European and Chinese immigrants provided the same kind of cheap labor.
It is also fair to say that, while everybody tolerated it, very few whites practiced slavery: in 1860 there were 385,000 USA citizens who owned slaves, or about 1.4% of the white population (there were 27 million whites in the USA). That percentage was zero in the states that did not allow slavery (only 8 million of the 27 million whites lived in states that allowed slavery). Incidentally, in 1830 about 25% of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves: that is a much higher percentage (ten times more) than the number of white slave owners. Thus slave owners were a tiny minority (1.4%) and it was not only whites: it was just about anybody who could, including blacks themselves.
Moral opposition to slavery was widespread even before Lincoln, and throughout Europe. On the other hand, opposition to slavery was never particularly strong in Africa itself, where slavery is slowly being eradicated only in our time. One can suspect that slavery would have remained common in most African kingdoms until this day: what crushed slavery in Africa was that all those African kingdoms became colonies of western European countries that (for one reason or another) eventually decided to outlaw slavery. When, in the 1960s, those African colonies regained their independence, numerous cases of slavery resurfaced. And countless African dictators behaved in a way that makes a slave owner look like a saint. Given the evidence that this kind of slavery was practiced by some Africans before it was practiced by some Americans, that it was abolished by all whites and not by some Africans, and that some Africans resumed it the moment they could, why would one keep blaming the USA but never blame, say, Ghana or the Congo?
The more we study it, the less blame we have to put on the USA for the slave trade with black Africa: it was pioneered by the Arabs, its economic mechanism was invented by the Italians and the Portuguese, it was mostly run by western Europeans, and it was conducted with the full cooperation of many African kings. The USA fostered free criticism of the phenomenon: no such criticism was allowed in the Muslim and Christian nations that started trading goods for slaves, and no such criticism was allowed in the African nations that started selling their own people (and, even today, no such criticism is allowed within the Arab world).
Today it is politically correct to blame some European empires and the USA for slavery (forgetting that it was practiced by everybody since prehistoric times). But I rarely read the other side of the story: that the nations who were the first to develop a repulsion for slavery and eventually abolish slavery were precisely those countries (especially Britain and the USA). As Dinesh D'Souza wrote, "What is uniquely Western is not slavery but the movement to abolish slavery".
(To be completely fair, what was also unique about the western slave trade is the scale (the millions shipped to another continent in a relatively short period of time), and, of course, that it eventually became a racist affair, discriminating blacks, whereas previous slave trades had not discriminated based on the color of the skin. What is unique about the USA, in particular, is the treatment that blacks received AFTER emancipation, which is, after all, the real source of the whole controversy, because, otherwise, just about everybody on this planet could claim to be the descendant of an ancient slave).
(That does not mean that western slave traders were justified in what they did, but placing all the blame on them is a way to absolve all the others).
To this day, too many Africans, Arabs and Europeans believe that the African slave trade was an USA aberration, not their own invention.
By the time the slave trade was abolished in the West, there were many more slaves in Africa (black slaves of black owners) than in the Americas.
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">WARPED UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY?</span> If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious....
You need a history lesson. White people did not kidnap your ancestors. They were kidnapped and sold by other blacks. Why do people continue to perpetuate a lie?
Is it easier to continue to blame someone else for your plight instead of taking responsibility for your own actions?
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yes these white guys with ships were just chillin on on the beach in west africa when the locals hustlers came by trying to sell them some slaves....what can you do.... you just want them to leave you alone so you buy something.....When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">WARPED UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY?</span> If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious....
You need a history lesson. White people did not kidnap your ancestors. They were kidnapped and sold by other blacks. Why do people continue to perpetuate a lie?
Is it easier to continue to blame someone else for your plight instead of taking responsibility for your own actions?
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yes these white guys with ships were just chillin on on the beach in west africa when the locals hustlers came by trying to sell them some slaves....what can you do.... you just want them to leave you alone so you buy something..... </div></div>
Another in denial, that's your problem, not mine. So, what you are saying is that African tribes were so weak and that Europeans were so advanced that they could just march into Africa and steal thousands of people without any resistance or complicity from Africans?
Rich, to tell part of a truth is as good as telling a lie.Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
Don't even try argue the minutiae of the European's evil strategy.
I happen to know very well how the slave trade was executed, by pitting Africans against Africans.
If you try to encourage that same divisiveness afresh, you won't get very far with me.
My African ancestors were victims.
No purer testimony to that exists than the impoverishment and colonialization of Africa and the enrichment of Europeans and the colonies.
If they had been equal partners in the dehumanising atrocites that got us here, they'd have been equal beneficiaries.
People who are losing their land, institutions and SELF-GOVERNMENT didn't suddenly have full control over the chaotic events that facilitated the vampiric misappropriation of their own bloodlines.
This trash unsourced quotation, that I couldn't even get through, is nothing but sensationalist white Eurocentric BS designed to assuage their weighty guilt wrt to ALL the world's peoples.
Go peddle your distortions to lost christianised slaves like the 'Reverend' here.
I won't be reading or responding to any more of it but feel free to waste your time you sick FK.Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">WARPED UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY?</span> If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious....
You need a history lesson. White people did not kidnap your ancestors. They were kidnapped and sold by other blacks. Why do people continue to perpetuate a lie?
Is it easier to continue to blame someone else for your plight instead of taking responsibility for your own actions?
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yes these white guys with ships were just chillin on on the beach in west africa when the locals hustlers came by trying to sell them some slaves....what can you do.... you just want them to leave you alone so you buy something..... </div></div>
Another in denial, that's your problem, not mine. So, what you are saying is that African tribes were so weak and that Europeans were so advanced that they could just march into Africa and steal thousands of people without any resistance or complicity from Africans?
Rich, to tell part of a truth is as good as telling a lie. </div></div>
so you were telling the whole story ? You appear to be trying to absolve the white slave traders from any responsibility .it was a team effort to get the slaves tot he ships....now who was responsible for keeping them in captivity once they got across the atlantic and for subsequent generations after they were kidnapped?When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">WARPED UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY?</span> If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious....
You need a history lesson. White people did not kidnap your ancestors. They were kidnapped and sold by other blacks. Why do people continue to perpetuate a lie?
Is it easier to continue to blame someone else for your plight instead of taking responsibility for your own actions?
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yes these white guys with ships were just chillin on on the beach in west africa when the locals hustlers came by trying to sell them some slaves....what can you do.... you just want them to leave you alone so you buy something..... </div></div>
Another in denial, that's your problem, not mine. So, what you are saying is that African tribes were so weak and that Europeans were so advanced that they could just march into Africa and steal thousands of people without any resistance or complicity from Africans?
Rich, to tell part of a truth is as good as telling a lie. </div></div>
I supppose the indigenous people of north And south America was as advance in weaponry as the Africans That is Why they conspire This sell off All the lands and live on reservations too.
The African sold Africans to Europeans.
the same Europeans who was busy stealing And murdering each other.
They respected the Africans enough to trade with them.
That is believable ... very believable.
The same Europeans who never trade in China India or anywhere else.
They simply stole what they wanted.
But Africans were a special race who they had to trade with.
They changed their modus operandi with Africans.
I wonder why they treated the Irish and Scottish so harsh by taking their lands and starved them almost to extinction,?Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">WARPED UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY?</span> If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious....
You need a history lesson. White people did not kidnap your ancestors. They were kidnapped and sold by other blacks. Why do people continue to perpetuate a lie?
Is it easier to continue to blame someone else for your plight instead of taking responsibility for your own actions?
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yes these white guys with ships were just chillin on on the beach in west africa when the locals hustlers came by trying to sell them some slaves....what can you do.... you just want them to leave you alone so you buy something..... </div></div>
Another in denial, that's your problem, not mine. So, what you are saying is that African tribes were so weak and that Europeans were so advanced that they could just march into Africa and steal thousands of people without any resistance or complicity from Africans?
Rich, to tell part of a truth is as good as telling a lie. </div></div>
so you were telling the whole story ? You appear to be trying to absolve the white slave traders from any responsibility .it was a team effort to get the slaves tot he ships....now who was responsible for keeping them in captivity once they got across the atlantic and for subsequent generations after they were kidnapped? </div></div>
The other team member involved was opium.
The big secret is the use of opium derived from east Indies That was used to drug people prior to capture.
They almost anhilate the population of Australia And new Zealand with opium.Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
The Europeans traded with the Chinese Dr. Dudd.
They didn't have anything the Chinese wanted (except money) but they had an appetite for Chinese teas, silks etc.
So the opium drug trade was masterminded by the Brits and forced on the chinese as a way to address the trade imbalance.
The Anglo-Chinese or "Opium Wars" were as a result of chinese attempts to end the drug trade.
There's another white European atrocity for you...honor doesn't seem to be in their nature.
Now they tell us there's a 'war on drugs' because the tables have turned and their countries are the greatest consumers.
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foolya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he says the slave ship ride was like riding on crowded airplane. he needs to be thrown to the lions. lol </div></div>
Obviously a graduate of the US education system where he believed what was written in the edited history books. Obviously a Reverend who does not have a passport and has probably never left the borders of the US.
SMDH and there are more out there as
as him. Think about it
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
him sound like smaddy wid mash mouth or thats the sound vomit makes when its passing thru u mouth..Comment
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Re: WOW we have blk ppl who still think like dis
but Plexxed u haffi see seh is miseducation whe cause him fi actually think that way. Have you been to the deep south of the US? The American blacks in Fl, GA, South Carolina have some real backward ways. I have seen with my own eyes
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