Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

[Derek]

The word Stuart comes from the old Nordic root Svart which means black. Stuart is the same word as Swarthy, which means black in old English.

There was once a Stuart line of Kings in England. The name of the founding ancestor was Stuart which means Black man.

In this post, we feature the original painting of one of the Stuart Kings of England and Scotland, King Charles II, also lovingly known as the “black boy” of England by his subjects.

He is commemorated in the celebrated name of the Black Boy Inn, found all over the British Isle.

King Charles II was a black man. Many of his surviving paintings falsely depict him as a so-called white man in clear contradiction to the famous description of the jolly King.

However, in the picture posted above, one can see one of the contemporary paintings of King Charles Stuart II, Merry Black Boy of England. This picture invites all to decide why King Charles Stuart II, would have been called the black boy.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/seso...-the-black-boy/

[jah_yout]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

the african trans-atlantic slave trade forced much re-writing, distortion & outright destruction of historical facts...
rome also had an emperor or more of african descent...

the moors once ruled spain...
this knowledge has been sytematically suppressed by the global conspiracy to de-humanize the african

[Derek]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the african trans-atlantic slave trade forced much re-writing, distortion &amp; outright destruction of historical facts...
rome also had an emperor or more of african descent...

the moors once ruled spain...
this knowledge has been sytematically suppressed by the global conspiracy to de-humanize the african </div></div>


You only have to read what Herodotus (and others) had to say when they visited Egypt to realise that black people were once very well respected.

But we had to be portrayed as savage, uneducated and subhuman with no history, to<span style="font-weight: bold"> justify</span> the slave trade.

Unfortunately, this train of thought still remains.

[neutral]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the african trans-atlantic slave trade forced much re-writing, distortion &amp; outright destruction of historical facts...
rome also had an emperor or more of african descent...

the moors once ruled spain...
this knowledge has been sytematically suppressed by the global conspiracy to de-humanize the african </div></div>


Actually,the spanish do celebrate their moorish ancestry,they are not too ashamed of it,....there are many celebrations in spain that depicts the moors rule.
Where I have my place in spain every july they celebrate &quot;moors and christians&quot;,it,s a spectacular event with parades and elaborate fireworks,the costumes are the best I have ever seen.
In some places in spain the people are very dark as a result of the moors legacy,hence I rarely get a second glance when I walk around even in remote places.

[Derek]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral_browning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the african trans-atlantic slave trade forced much re-writing, distortion &amp; outright destruction of historical facts...
rome also had an emperor or more of african descent...

the moors once ruled spain...
this knowledge has been sytematically suppressed by the global conspiracy to de-humanize the african </div></div>


Actually,the spanish do celebrate their moorish ancestry,they are not too ashamed of it,....there are many celebrations in spain that depicts the moors rule.
Where I have my place in spain every july they celebrate &quot;moors and christians&quot;,it,s a spectacular event with parades and elaborate fireworks,the costumes are the best I have ever seen.
In some places in spain the people are very dark as a result of the moors legacy,hence I rarely get a second glance when I walk around even in remote places. </div></div>

Noticed how many places in Spain begin with Al? Alicante, Algarve, Almeria, Alcoi, etc, etc?
Al is Arabic for The.
Even the Anglicised Gibraltar is Gibr Al Tar or Mountain Al Tar.

[Wahalla]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

there is an ambiverlance of moorish rule in spain at best. .... For instance the patron saint of spain.. is Santiago Matamoros.. St Thomas killer of moors...There are festivals in Andalucia wghere they chase blacked up character to celebrate the defeat of Bobadil in 1492... (that is an interesting history)..

Listen to how this history is taught in Spain.. The muslims invented nothing.. they just built on european concepts....The higher acedemians have a more realistic aproach...

muslim invasion began in 711.. However there were major parts of the North West Spain that never was controled by the Muslims in Asturia and Galicia as well as parts of the Basque country.... The first &quot;battle &quot; of the reconquista was in 722 in Galicia.. At the battle of Covadongo.... Which was a minor skermish..It basicallly meant that the muslims were over extended and could not bring their influence to bear.

The Muslim kingdoms of spain were then eroded for the next 700 years... Historically less than 5000 troops from North Africa ( I dont buy the 20-100,000 numbers that is claimed by soem!) were in the invasion force.. so this means it was militarily the third gereatest military conquest.. after the aztect defeat by 520 Spanish and the inca defeat by 127 spanish troops.. what it means is that the conquest of spain was done by local levies and mercenaries...Much like teh reconquista was done by a mix of troops..

then there was the later invasion by other Muslims who conquered the muslim conquerors ....

The lie is simply in the order iof the defeat by Harold at Hastings....

interesting there is an asopect of Spanish Histories that is not fully explored the role of the Morrocam amd African Troops in the Spaish Civil war... The roumour was spread that during the Army of Africa (Best Trained of Francos Troops) were unpaid and were given free reign to do what they will whenever they captured a loyalist town... This may have been a roumour spread by left wing supported goverment to garner support by the racist tendency of the Western goverments..

I question the entire basis of the African ruled spain, as Moorish rule is apt to be portrayed as .. .. as if there was an exclusive African dynasty of spanish king ship.. This may be unpopular on here. And it falls into the categopry that the Spanush try to spread that the muslim rule brought notyhing and only built on the preexisting acheivemtns of the goth and franks...

. But where did the Muslim Kings get their wives ? Did they import brides from Africa soley ??? How was succession arranged ?

There was no single caliphate but multiple emirates that was constantly changing with I beleive cross relgion alliances forged by marriages as was common at the time. Moorish rule of spain is an unexplored history. It was not as many tried to make out a time of tolerance and enlightement. there was prohibative taxation on non muslims. It I beleived follwoed a pattern that the christians replicated when they took over

Fledg who use to post on here is more kwolegable on this subject than most...

one thing.. Next time u are in Spain and you hear the name surname.. Rey or Del Rey.. be aware the owners of these names are likely to have muslim anticidents.. When the Muslims were defeated those tjat remained behind their children was taken away and made wards of the Kings... So were either Jewish and or Muslim who did not convert.. The same thing was applied at the end of the civil war...


interestingly at the end of the Roman empire in 429 the Vandals Goths King Gerisca (who like William the Bastard, and Fidel Castro was born out of wedlock...) were granted land in North Africa by teh last Roman General who used them to defeat a local uprising (or he took it). again 80,000 people are reputed to make the crossing ...... Thus less than 300 years before the defeat of Visigoth kingdoms of Spain by the moors there was a mass migration south across the pillar of hercules by their cousins...

[Wahalla]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

and always read what i write withe the for knowlege that I am a sell out, stupid, ummeducated.... my usual disclaimers as always apply...

[sistactry]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You only have to read what Herodotus (and others) had to say when they visited Egypt to realise that black people were once very well respected.

But we had to be portrayed as savage, uneducated and subhuman with no history, to<span style="font-weight: bold"> justify</span> the slave trade.

Unfortunately, this train of thought still remains. </div></div>

[quodlibet]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The word Stuart comes from the old Nordic root Svart which means black. Stuart is the same word as Swarthy, which means black in old English.

There was once a Stuart line of Kings in England. The name of the founding ancestor was Stuart which means Black man.

In this post, we feature the original painting of one of the Stuart Kings of England and Scotland, King Charles II, also lovingly known as the “black boy” of England by his subjects.

He is commemorated in the celebrated name of the Black Boy Inn, found all over the British Isle.

King Charles II was a black man. Many of his surviving paintings falsely depict him as a so-called white man in clear contradiction to the famous description of the jolly King.

However, in the picture posted above, one can see one of the contemporary paintings of King Charles Stuart II, Merry Black Boy of England. This picture invites all to decide why King Charles Stuart II, would have been called the black boy.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/seso...-the-black-boy/


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So... if this man is listed as his father, and the woman following as his mother - how do we account for this?

[kia027]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The word Stuart comes from the old Nordic root Svart which means black. Stuart is the same word as Swarthy, which means black in old English.

There was once a Stuart line of Kings in England. The name of the founding ancestor was Stuart which means Black man.

In this post, we feature the original painting of one of the Stuart Kings of England and Scotland, King Charles II, also lovingly known as the “black boy” of England by his subjects.

He is commemorated in the celebrated name of the Black Boy Inn, found all over the British Isle.

King Charles II was a black man. Many of his surviving paintings falsely depict him as a so-called white man in clear contradiction to the famous description of the jolly King.

However, in the picture posted above, one can see one of the contemporary paintings of King Charles Stuart II, Merry Black Boy of England. This picture invites all to decide why King Charles Stuart II, would have been called the black boy.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/seso...-the-black-boy/


</div></div>

So... if this man is listed as his father, and the woman following as his mother - how do we account for this?


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jacket

[Derek]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The word Stuart comes from the old Nordic root Svart which means black. Stuart is the same word as Swarthy, which means black in old English.

There was once a Stuart line of Kings in England. The name of the founding ancestor was Stuart which means Black man.

In this post, we feature the original painting of one of the Stuart Kings of England and Scotland, King Charles II, also lovingly known as the “black boy” of England by his subjects.

He is commemorated in the celebrated name of the Black Boy Inn, found all over the British Isle.

King Charles II was a black man. Many of his surviving paintings falsely depict him as a so-called white man in clear contradiction to the famous description of the jolly King.

However, in the picture posted above, one can see one of the contemporary paintings of King Charles Stuart II, Merry Black Boy of England. This picture invites all to decide why King Charles Stuart II, would have been called the black boy.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/seso...-the-black-boy/


</div></div>

So... if this man is listed as his father, and the woman following as his mother - how do we account for this?


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jacket </div></div>

Quodlibet, if you read the article fully you will find he was later whitened up for portrait images.
And Kia, you are probably not far from the truth - the 'royal' family is riddled with jackets.

[Q3210]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

The Richmond-Llandovery estate located west of St. Ann`s Bay, Jamaica was bestowed to the Duke of Roxborough, bastard son of King George V or was it Edward?

[Derek]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Richmond-Llandovery estate located west of St. Ann`s Bay, Jamaica was bestowed to the Duke of Roxborough, bastard son of King George V or was it Edward? </div></div>

Even Colin Powell is descended from illegitimate British royalty.

[Wahalla]

Re: Black King of England? (Before Natral!)

And then do a google search on images of Charles II...

Also what relevance if he was black.. He over saw a vast expansion of the colonial enterprises....includign slavery...

Wait that may be a relevance.. the willing, proactive participation of black people in the transatlantic slave trade....

and no I dont beleive he was black...