Are song titles considered trademarked?

[kia027]

No Woman No Cry - a Bob Marley Song

a film titled No Woman No Cry with the following in the credits?

“No Woman, No Cry”
Performed by Martha Wainwright
Produced by Pierre Marchand and Brad Albetta
Written By Vincent Ford
Courtesy of Blue Mountain Music Ltd.

[CeaBee]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

good question

so u mean could there be two songs with different lyrics and the same name..

[kia027]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

I dont know..

The movie title caught my attention then I went to the credits to see if Bob Marley was credited and found someone else being credited..

[CeaBee]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

oh sorry is a movie

still on my first cup of coffee.


scratch that is a movie with the song at the end

ok me not coming back in here

[kia027]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

there is both a movie and a song ceabee

<span style="font-style: italic">add some cayenne pepper to ceabee coffee to help wake her up </span>

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No Woman No Cry - a Bob Marley Song

a film titled No Woman No Cry with the following in the credits?

“No Woman, No Cry”
Performed by Martha Wainwright
Produced by Pierre Marchand and Brad Albetta
Written By Vincent Ford
Courtesy of Blue Mountain Music Ltd.

</div></div>No

[kia027]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No Woman No Cry - a Bob Marley Song

a film titled No Woman No Cry with the following in the credits?

“No Woman, No Cry”
Performed by Martha Wainwright
Produced by Pierre Marchand and Brad Albetta
Written By Vincent Ford
Courtesy of Blue Mountain Music Ltd.

</div></div>No </div></div>

Would you then say royalties are owed to Bob Marley's estate for the song?

[Gen]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

Was wondering about the ruckus this would cause when I first saw the film previewed last week. Mi a wonder how christy come up with the title for the documentary

[evanovitch]

yes and yes...if u look at the bottom of the

copy n post whe smaddy did, u will see whe it seh Blue Mountain Music Ltd...dat mean seh Chris get paid....that is his licensed company wich him ha from 1962 r some such...mi tell peeps awn yah dat Chris stawt Island Music dung a RJR an den moved to London....

mek mi put dis instead...Blue Mtn administers Bob's catalogue

[Leddih]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

Neither Bob Marley nor his estate own the rights to No Woman No Cry. Rights to the song belong to the daughter of Vincent Ford.

[evanovitch]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?


Blue Mountain Music, which globally administrates the entire Bob Marley song catalogue, is an independently owned music publishing company established in 1962 by Chris Blackwell


The company has always been joined-at-the-hip to Island Records, also founded by Chris Blackwell, and has worked with some of the very finest songwriters from around the world, from a wide variety of forms. For example, Blue Mountain Music administrates the U2 catalogue, as well as great British songwriters as diverse as John Martyn, the group James and Julia Fordham, and holds the UK administration rights for the standard 'My Way’.



Inevitably, the cornerstone of Blue Mountain Music is the global administration of the entire Bob Marley song catalogue. The wealth of the Marley catalogue speaks for itself. Together with songs from Burning Spear, Black Uhuru, The Congos, The Heptones, Third World and many others, Blue Mountain has for long been established as a goldmine of Jamaican songs.




The association with Island Records also resulted in Blue Mountain working with the very best rock songwriters, from Free to U2. The late 1960s and early 1970s produced some important British psychedelic music by bands such as Nirvana, Art, The Smoke, Twink and others. Later, West African stars like Salif Keita and Baaba Maal added to the mix.



Currently Blue Mountain Music is proud to publish and work with such writers as Manu Chao, The Sunshine Underground, The Blood Arm, Kano and Fredo Viola.

Through its sub-publishing arrangements, Blue Mountain Music represents and administers a number of high profile and cutting edge catalogues.




Via its sub-publishing deal with Because Editions France, for example, Blue Mountain Music represents such acts as Justice, Sebastian, Mr Oizo and others from the Ed Bangers catalogue, as well as Amadou and Mariam, Akli D, and many other great French writers.



A recent sub-publishing arrangement with V2 Music Publishing sees Blue Mountain Music represent works by established songwriters such as Shep Solomon as well as some classic Human League songs (Jo Callis) alongside works from Grandaddy, Fluke and more.



Meanwhile, a deal with Carthage Music brings to the Blue Mountain Music stable works by The Cowboy Junkies, Caetano Veloso and Ivo Papasov.



Blue Mountain Music is a rich resource for the creative community. It continues to provide great music, cleared quickly and efficiently, for use in films, television shows, documentaries, DVDs, gaming and advertising.

[RichD]

Re: Are song titles considered trademarked?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neither Bob Marley nor his estate own the rights to No Woman No Cry. Rights to the song belong to the daughter of Vincent Ford. </div></div> who is vincent ford?

[evanovitch]

Tata n Bob were friends yes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neither Bob Marley nor his estate own the rights to No Woman No Cry. Rights to the song belong to the daughter of Vincent Ford. </div></div>

and about dat time Bob was putting him songs in nuff people name so as not to have it under Cayman music...it is still adminstered by Blue Mtn ...if di dawta getting any cheques, well praises n blessing indeed cause she suppose to be worth multi millions....

neva hear of a court case giving dem it but wi mek a check ...cause if dem get well dem di Barretts were robbed

[evanovitch]

RichD, dis is his obiturary

[. [/quote] who is vincent ford? [/quote]

Vincent Ford: Songwriter credited with composing 'No Woman, No Cry'


Vincent Ford is listed as the composer of the most recorded and acclaimed song in reggae music, &quot;No Woman, No Cry&quot;, although the provenance of the song remains keenly debated. The song, made famous by Bob Marley &amp; the Wailers in 1974, though since covered by scores of acts, including Joan Baez, Jimmy Cliff and the Fugees, is a depiction of what life was like &quot;in the government yard in Trenchtown&quot; where Marley spent his teenage years.


Ford, a friend of Marley's from childhood, was born in Jamaica in 1940 and was five years older than the singer. Both grew up in the Trenchtown area of Kingston, in a housing project of prefabricated apartments where Ford (known as &quot;Tarta&quot showed Marley the rudiments of the guitar. The pair became close friends, and Ford, who ran a soup kitchen, would allow Marley and his musicians to practice on his premises. &quot;Vincent Ford is a bredda from Trenchtown,&quot; Marley once said. &quot;Me and him used to sing long time. Me and him used to live in the kitchen together long, long time.&quot;

Marley was recording locally from 1962, but the initial international impact of Jamaican beat music was made by Millie, Jimmy Cliff, Johnny Nash and several bands whose work was released by Trojan Records in the UK. In 1972, Bob Marley and the Wailers were signed by Chris Blackwell to Island Records, but Marley was concerned about a previous songwriting contract he had signed with the producer Danny Sims at Cayman Music. He did not want his new songs to be associated with Cayman and so, in all probability, he put them in the names of his wife, Rita, the Wailers or other close friends to find a way around tight publishing restrictions. This spreading out of writing credits would also have allowed Marley to provide lasting help to family and close friends.

&quot;No Woman, No Cry&quot;, according to Marley, was written at Ford's flat in 1974, as the pair reminisced about the past and about playing in &quot;the government yard in Trenchtown&quot;. They recalled old friends, some of whom had died, and these sentiments run throughout the song. &quot;No Woman, No Cry&quot; first appeared on the 1974 album Natty Dread, and was then featured during a magical concert at the Lyceum, London, which was recorded for release. The subsequent album, Live! (1975), was a huge success and the new version of &quot;No Woman, No Cry&quot; made the UK charts, returning for a Top 10 appearance in the wake of Marley's death in 1981.

Ford was credited with three songs on Bob Marley &amp; the Wailers' next studio album, Rastaman Vibration (1976). He is listed as the sole writer for the opening track, &quot;Positive Vibration&quot;, and for a song about radio playlists, &quot;Roots, Rock, Reggae&quot;, which became Marley's breakthrough in America. The credit for &quot;Crazy Baldhead&quot;, a blunt comment on non-Rastafarians, is shared with Rita Marley.

There is no proof that Vincent Ford did not write &quot;No Woman, No Cry&quot; and the other songs, but the circumstantial evidence would suggestthat he didn't. There are very fewother Marley songs attributed tohim, although ones that are include &quot;Inna De Red&quot; and &quot;Jah Bless&quot;, with Marley's son, Stephen. Ford himself never denied his authorship of Marley's songs.

He suffered from complications of diabetes for most of his life, and both his legs were amputated. He lived in Kingston, just behind the Bob Marley Museum, and spent much time there, talking with fans.

Spencer Leigh

[RichD]

Re: RichD, dis is his obiturary

thanks