South Sudan

[Derek]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Derek,
Does she speak Arabic?</div></div>

Of course! She's from Sudan!

[andronian2]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A great deal of the violence in Africa is caused by religions which the entire world would have been much better off without. Tribal witchcraft is no better.

A great deal more of deaths and violence is caused by the great rift between the haves and the have nots/ the adoption and retention of neo-liberal capitalism by the colonized but no one else seems to recognize this fact..

I'd be a lot more comfortable saying that the boundaries established by the various European colonizers was responsible for a great deal of the trouble IF I knew that inter-tribal violence did not exist to any great extent prior to colonialism.

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I mostly agree with you.
The retention of the economic systems that were tools of exploitation IS a huge factor and is part of a mental bondage.

However, I think your assessment of pre-colonial Africa is still somewhat distorted by the modern eurocentric lens.
Take your frequent reference to 'tribes' for example and the lack of any reference to 'kingdoms'.

A few Pre-colonial African Kingdoms:
Kingdom of Nri (948—1911)
Oyo Empire (1400 - 1895)
Benin Empire (1440 - 1897)
Kongo Kingdom (1400 - 1888)

Africa was not just a mish-mash of small feuding tribes.
There were many large-scale organizations of people before European colonization and most of these had already been in existence for a many centuries prior.
You don't maintain government structures for centuries absent very mature political, religious, and economic organization and stable rules of succession.
But as you can see, most of them ended around the close of the 19th century for reasons I should not have to explain to even the poorest student of history.
The mistakes Africans made in their dealings with 'others' that brought an end to their classical socieites are the kinds of things we still wallow in today.

[MsPeaches]

Re: South Sudan


Being here in Africa, I HAVE noticed that there are signs of an inherited emotional trauma that may be the remnants of colonial scars. The most notable of these is something that persists here and also in Jamaica, and that is the &quot;Respect Fetish&quot;
Polls here have shown that the single most important thing to the average African man is that he has the RESPECT of others. The word 'respect' is bandied about here constantly as the biggest issue on anybody's agenda.

It has different meanings to different people. To some people 'respect' means FEAR, and to others MONEY. Most people here seem not to care how somebody got his/her money. All that matters is that he/she has it. If you have a car here, people will RESPECT you more than if you don't. It seems that the traditional values of honesty, fairness and hard weork have been replaced by these more material considerations. This is actually to the great chagrin of ALL genuine religious leaders here who bemoan the fact that people have become so materialistic.

There are a few bad eggs, of course - so-called 'pastors' who preach material gain tied to 'salvation', but most of these are 'unschooled' pastors wgo believe in just telling the things to people that they want to hear.

The Muslims, however, tend to be more satisfied with the richness Islam brings into their Spiritual lives - although too many of the younger generation have never been to school and a lot of them wind up watching too much American TV which corrupts their spirits and makes them greedy as well. The cultural imperialism here is even worse than the political and economic imperialism and has had serious consequences for the society here.
But I'm in Ghana where there is no Islamiphobia and it's very peaceful. Muslims, Christians and adherents of Traditional Religion live side by side and are good neighbors to each other. It must be one of the 'safest' places in the world to be a Muslim. All quiet on the Home Front here.......at least for now.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does she speak Arabic?
If she does not she is not an Arab since being an Arab centers around speaking Arabic and nothing else.</div></div>

believe it or not, the term &quot;semitic&quot; also is a linguistic connotation...
though people now often use it as a racial one...the roots of the term &quot;semite&quot; can be found in the name &quot;shem&quot; for one of the fictional character noah's son...also in the term &quot;semi&quot; meaning half- supposedly signifying they were a mixed people...
so a white-looking jew from poland can be considered a 'semite' while a black-looking jew from yemen is also a 'semite'...


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It looks like she straightens her hair so I'd say, given her brown skin and general appearance she's an African. A very attractive African.</div></div>


she's an african...black, arab, semitic, hamitic, negro, moreno.....
depends on who is doing the describing or labeling...
she looks no different than millions of women of african descent in east &amp; north africa, some parts of west &amp; south africa, the caribbean &amp; the americas

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Could be Taino though. The rules are fairly loose on the requirements for that tribe.. </div></div>

tainos are more indiginous to the so-called americas and caribbean islands regions...although it is clear south america broke away from africa in antiquity- the continents fit together like a jigsaw puzzle;


by the way sudan was labelled by the arabs as &quot;land of the blacks&quot;...
it has also been known in various time periods throughout history as nubia, kush, ethiopia, etc.
it even once ruled over ancient egypt during the 25th dynasty

[jah_yout]

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[Derek]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does she speak Arabic?
If she does not she is not an Arab since being an Arab centers around speaking Arabic and nothing else.</div></div>

believe it or not, the term &quot;semitic&quot; also is a linguistic connotation...
though people now often use it as a racial one...the roots of the term &quot;semite&quot; can be found in the name &quot;shem&quot; for one of the fictional character noah's son...also in the term &quot;semi&quot; meaning half- supposedly signifying they were a mixed people...
so a white-looking jew from poland can be considered a 'semite' while a black-looking jew from yemen is also a 'semite'...</div></div>

Yes, isn't my Amharic wife semitic and speaks a semitic language?

[Derek]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Or a very dark Semitic person whose parents/ancestors came from the Middle East? </div></div>

Hiba told me this morning that she has great-great-grandparents from Iraq and Turkey. But that would still make her very much Sudanese, whether African or Arab.

Hiba also said that they don't say 'Arab' or 'African.' They say 'Arab' or 'from the South,' and the people 'from the South' don't speak Arabic.

[andronian2]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MsPeaches</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Being here in Africa, I HAVE noticed that there are signs of an inherited emotional trauma that may be the remnants of colonial scars. The most notable of these is something that persists here and also in Jamaica, and that is the &quot;Respect Fetish&quot;
Polls here have shown that the single most important thing to the average African man is that he has the RESPECT of others. The word 'respect' is bandied about here constantly as the biggest issue on anybody's agenda.

It has different meanings to different people. To some people 'respect' means FEAR, and to others MONEY. Most people here seem not to care how somebody got his/her money. All that matters is that he/she has it. If you have a car here, people will RESPECT you more than if you don't. It seems that the traditional values of honesty, fairness and hard weork have been replaced by these more material considerations. This is actually to the great chagrin of ALL genuine religious leaders here who bemoan the fact that people have become so materialistic.

There are a few bad eggs, of course - so-called 'pastors' who preach material gain tied to 'salvation', but most of these are 'unschooled' pastors wgo believe in just telling the things to people that they want to hear.

The Muslims, however, tend to be more satisfied with the richness Islam brings into their Spiritual lives - although too many of the younger generation have never been to school and a lot of them wind up watching too much American TV which corrupts their spirits and makes them greedy as well. The cultural imperialism here is even worse than the political and economic imperialism and has had serious consequences for the society here.
But I'm in Ghana where there is no Islamiphobia and it's very peaceful. Muslims, Christians and adherents of Traditional Religion live side by side and are good neighbors to each other. It must be one of the 'safest' places in the world to be a Muslim. All quiet on the Home Front here.......at least for now.
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Interesting, thanks for that insight.
Materialism - the focus on the individual owning things - is taking over everywhere.
I think the global exportation of western culture plays a role in that process.

[Magician]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A very attractive African.</div></div>

Of all your 1000 posts mi can agree with this one only.

[Magician]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hiba also said that they don't say 'Arab' or 'African.' They say 'Arab' or 'from the South,' and the people 'from the South' don't speak Arabic.
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Hiba single?

Gi her mi numba nuh pardi.

[Derek]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hiba also said that they don't say 'Arab' or 'African.' They say 'Arab' or 'from the South,' and the people 'from the South' don't speak Arabic.
</div></div>

Hiba single?

Gi her mi numba nuh pardi. </div></div>



She's almost six foot...

[Derek]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A very attractive African.</div></div>

Of all your 1000 posts mi can agree with this one only. </div></div>

[Magician]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

She's almost six foot... </div></div>

A so she long?
Aks her if she have a sister that's a couple inches shorter then.

[johnnycakes]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does she speak Arabic?
If she does not she is not an Arab since being an Arab centers around speaking Arabic and nothing else.</div></div>

believe it or not, the term &quot;semitic&quot; also is a linguistic connotation...
though people now often use it as a racial one...the roots of the term &quot;semite&quot; can be found in the name &quot;shem&quot; for one of the fictional character noah's son...also in the term &quot;semi&quot; meaning half- supposedly signifying they were a mixed people...
so a white-looking jew from poland can be considered a 'semite' while a black-looking jew from yemen is also a 'semite'...</div></div>

Yes, isn't my Amharic wife semitic and speaks a semitic language? </div></div>



Personally, and I could very well be wrong, I think of semitic people as having brown or tanned skin but basically Caucasian facial features rather than black African features and coming from the Middle East and North Africa.

On second thought that woman in question would seem to be a black Arab speaker.

[Derek]

Re: South Sudan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does she speak Arabic?
If she does not she is not an Arab since being an Arab centers around speaking Arabic and nothing else.</div></div>

believe it or not, the term &quot;semitic&quot; also is a linguistic connotation...
though people now often use it as a racial one...the roots of the term &quot;semite&quot; can be found in the name &quot;shem&quot; for one of the fictional character noah's son...also in the term &quot;semi&quot; meaning half- supposedly signifying they were a mixed people...
so a white-looking jew from poland can be considered a 'semite' while a black-looking jew from yemen is also a 'semite'...</div></div>

Yes, isn't my Amharic wife semitic and speaks a semitic language? </div></div>



Personally, and I could very well be wrong, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 11pt">I think of semitic people as having brown or tanned skin but basically Caucasian facial features</span></span> rather than black African features and coming from the <span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">Middle East and North Africa</span></span>.

On second thought that woman in question would seem to be a black Arab speaker.

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And East Africa. Mrs Derek.