Opinion, please

[Derek]

This guy in my office told me how when his brother was about seven years old, he kept pestering his parents to take him to see his daughter.

At first they thought he was being silly until he described his daughter, the area where she lives (in Syria) and the colour of the house.

Eventually, they all visited and the little boy virtually told 'his daughter' (a big woman) how he (her father) died and stuff only the woman would know.

The guy told me that to this day that women (now old) always visits his family and warmly greets her 'dad' (now in his twenties).



He stressed that when you hear these stories, they fascinate, but when it happens personally, to you and your family, it takes on an entirely different meaning.

[Magician]

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Dem suppose to zap yuh wid de 'men in black' ting de so that you forget everything before yuh re-born.

But mi hear seh de Ministry of Labour withholding de 7% raise de angel dem fi get from 2007.

[Tulip]

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My first thought would be that the 7 year old's father had been cheating with the woman and might have had the son around sometimes when he thought he was too young to remember. (I have heard of quite a few drive-bys with a young child in the car.)

For me to even consider believing any story of this type, I'd have to see it for myself from the get-go. There is no one who could tell me one that I would believe.

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tulip</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My first thought would be that the 7 year old's father had been cheating with the woman and might have had the son around sometimes when he thought he was too young to remember. (I have heard of quite a few drive-bys with a young child in the car.)

For me to even consider believing any story of this type, I'd have to see it for myself from the get-go. There is no one who could tell me one that I would believe. </div></div>
No that's not it.





But I'll put your first thought to him and post his reply.

[Tulip]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No that's not it.


But I'll put your first thought to him and post his reply. </div></div>

Thanks Derek. I appreciate your telling him that I called his daddy a cheater. Really looking forward to that response (rolls eyes).

Go ahead and add that I think he's embellishing the story. May as well get the full bang for my buck.

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tulip</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No that's not it.


But I'll put your first thought to him and post his reply. </div></div>

Thanks Derek. I appreciate your telling him that I called his daddy a cheater. Really looking forward to that response.

Go ahead and add that I think he's embellishing the story. May as well get the full bang for my buck. </div></div>

It's OK, he doesn't know you.

But why would this upset you?

Feeling guilty about being so damn rude and nasty minded about a guy I work with's family; a guy who never drinks or smokes and conducts himself with the utmost decency?


He told me it strengthened his belief in God. All you have is ghetto-mindedness.

[Tulip]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's OK, he doesn't know you.

But why would this upset you?

Feeling guilty about being so damn rude and nasty minded about a guy I work with's family; a guy who never drinks or smokes and conducts himself with the utmost decency? </div></div>

I don't find it upsetting. I found it a little disturbing that you were so eager to pull your skirt between your legs and scamper off so fast to carry a message to someone who apparently is not even on the board.

It's messy. You couldn't just man-up and say what you wanted to say about my comment in the first place.

Also, &quot;knowing&quot; exactly what someone other than yourself does much less a whole family of folks plus one takes a big leap of faith.

[Tulip]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He told me it strengthened his belief in God. All you have is ghetto-mindedness. </div></div>

I see you dropped this &quot;opinion&quot; in afterward. I think all you have is a constant bee in your bonnet.

[Derek]

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<span style="font-style: italic">But why we will cheat, what the reason?? My brother at that time told my mother I want to see my daughter, and he mention the name “ Soad” . and he said I want to go to my village which is far from our village almost half hour in the car and which we didn’t visit before, so how?

After that we asked some people if there is really a lady which called “Soad” in that village. After that we went to meet that lady, which she started to ask him many questions, he answered most of them. Even so he asked for his Jacket which he used to wear. This lady has two brothers, my brother remember them and he asked one of them if he still suffering from his back pain. Again why to cheat those people? What is the benefit? We didn’t met them ever? Go and visit this family and check yourself!!!!!

I feel pity on those who do not believe in it.
I close my eyes I see that…. It is a creative spiritual feel which takes you to your inside, makes you touch your inner self: the whole world. And this is an exclusive experience, not a cup of coffee for very one.
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[Blackstar*]

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I agree with Tulip. The woman may have been known to him in early childhood and he (and she apparently) forgot the circumstances.

The story reminds me of something I read by Freud where he met a patient who was proficient in a language that she and her family did not remember her consciously learning (referred to as <span style="font-style: italic">xenoglosia</span>). It turned out that unbeknownst to the parents, the nanny she had spent her <span style="font-weight: bold">infancy </span>with spoke that language.

In another case a patient Delboeuf dreamt &quot;about some lizards and a plant of which he knew the name of in the dream: &quot;Asplenium ruta muralis.&quot; When he was awake, Delboeuf knew the Latin names of very few plants and he did not consciously know the term &quot;Asplenium.&quot; He was able to confirm that there actually was a plant called &quot;Asplenium ruta muraria,' a name which he had slightly distorted in his dream. 16 years later, Delboeuf discovered that 18 years earlier he had actually written out the name of a great many plants in Latin as part of a present involving an album of pressed flowers. He found that he actually *had* written out the name &quot;Asplenium ruta muraria&quot; at the dictation of a botanist.&quot; Link

[MsPeaches]

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Derek and Tulip......

I will reserve comment on the truth or otherwise of this incident because I've made too many comments about such things before.

But really, there's no substitute for personal experience.

As I said to my visiting brother when we ran out of water and didn't know where to get any, it's one thing to hear that other people don't have any water, and it's quite another to not have any yourself!

[dread2society]

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I guess there is no right or wrong reason about this situation, if we uplift our spiritual thoughts and look at the possibilities regarding this, then within our spiritual imagination it is possible. Looks like spirit had to return to learn something but else where, in Jah`s place we are one family and possibilities are realities, we live in a magical and most sacred place we call our Mother.

http://www.indigenouscaribbean.com

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dread2society</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess there is no right or wrong reason about this situation, if we uplift our spiritual thoughts and look at the possibilities regarding this, then within our spiritual imagination it is possible. Looks like spirit had to return to learn something but else where, in Jah`s place we are one family and possibilities are realities, we live in a magical and most sacred place we call our Mother.

http://www.indigenouscaribbean.com </div></div>I think there is a more rational explanation than &quot;spirit&quot;, etc. Having said that perhaps <span style="font-style: italic">spirit = unconscious and &quot;childhood memories&quot; </span>and it's just a matter of semantics.

[mountaingal]

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i think folks need to read more buchi emecheta and chinua achebe. as african writers, they are open-eyed about the fact what is often seen as spiritual is in fact reality interpreted as metaphysical.

[RichD]

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i think there is a lot that cannot be explained. I would accept this story at face value.
(does their religion believe in reincarnation?)