Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

[jah_yout]

Re: Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i also heard that police knew his name...but i think i heard it on independent radio;

very strange that it took security forces an hour &amp; a half to get to him though </div></div>

the folks who flew helicopters to get to the island were on vacation. that's apparently the explanation from the security service. </div></div>

very lame excuse...
big industrialized nation &amp; they couldn't manage one security copter?

just pathetic;

perhaps it was his blond hair &amp; blue eyes

[Wahalla]

Re: Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Comments on salon.com are asking how did he manage to get a semi-automatic machine gun which is illegal in Norway. </div></div>

How do Jamaicans get semi automatic weapons which are illegal ???? or are Jamaicans smarter than Norwegians..

Few years back in Stavanger there was staged a bank robbery that dawfed the bank robbery in &quot;Heat&quot;.. The gang robbed that peice of art called the screamer from a museum in Oslo to make the police shift resources ... Tapped into the Traffic system like in the Italian joband created chaos and a complex free route.. they held the police in the station in Stavanger under seige with fully automatic weapons.. they then robbed the central receiving bank blasting away with automatic weapons.. So the presence of automatic weapons is not unheard of.. They then used the money to buy drugs to import into europe out of Morroco I beleive....

Guns are not uncommon up north like in Kanada and when Bill Clinton visted up North the secrect service was told to take a hike when they demanded that all the locals give up their guns when he was in town..

This guy was a nutter.. He was well educated, travel, sophisticated middle class. not some beer swilling denuded frustrated semi literate.. It is worrying and counter inuative that the education improves tolerance. The big lie education increases tolerance once again is exposed.. One from one of the most liberal societies...

A number of Norwegians admitted to me they were releived when they heared it was one of their own who did the killing as they feared that it was a muslim.. even more so that if it was a resident of Norway one born there...
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<span style="font-size: 17pt">This was monstrous.</span></span>. Children at the most hopeful stage and most physically attractive shot brutally.. It is in my opnion the work of a nutter.... as it says on the can... Like so many their is a tendeny to claim that it is because of the nutter contact with pan european far right groups to rationalise.. Hell cant the fellow think he was denuned by the BNP, he was incapable of doing this ????

Evil is Banal.. not the sole remit of the Isreali, so the concept of a zionist conspirasy is inane IMHO at best. ... Nor the insanity of the serbs...

Having seen chopped limbs in Libera and bloated bodies in the Congo... this is in that order of magnitude.. no greater.. this was an individual without the companionship of group supported pychosis..... no mere comrade ship of blood but an individual with a gun shooting at unarmed human beings at the prime of their attractiveness.. This was the order of what was done to the Taino.. our heads used as impromtu golf balls.. Or Cortez in Tenochichilan..... The order of the Selous Scouts did in Mozambique

This was not a Katyn forest or an Arab village surrounded by an army unit.. This was an idividual.. from one of the most homogeneous nations in the world.... (At the end of the black death I heard a claim only 500 Norges survived)

What scares me of this action is the effect that this will have on liberty in terms of monitoring the private activity of an idividual.... The level of surveillance demanded by the talking heads will impinge on ours lives...

Norway is a great country to live apart from the weather, the strange driving rules , the price of alcohol ans the blandness of the food.. (First country a number of couple people asked me to become a citizen since I have been traveling here to do buisness for the past few months. It had an air of quiet satisfction, high taxation and relaxed innoncence.....

This hurt them and left them as a society rudderless.. It reminds me of the time in Jamaica just after Green Bay.. The effect was similar to 9-11 in the US wioth people making the same machismo claim we are not afraid... I am terrified of that idea....

Never got that, people who never been shot at proclaiming the lack of fear of being shot at with high powered weapons... Me I am terrified of the idea even after all the times I have been interdicted by by armed men with bad intentions in their hearts and high powered weapons in their hands.. Some how I prevailed, but I still get the hebiejebies at night and she who must be obeyed has had to deal with scary situations as my night mares manifested

..Some of these kids will have hell at night for years.. I hope they dont.. But

I was out of Norway when it happened on Friday.. on Holiday on the road. We switched of the music to hear the 1400 news.... so dont blame the yardie... I called my pardner in crime who was due to fly out of Norway in a couple hours, I had to confirm he was safe....This was before the bomb was officially confirmed at this point the fog of war there was a feeling it was a Muslim who had done it.. They had shut the airports theoretically....

My fear st this point was I was going to go through hell to get into norway from now on.. and all the arabic stamps in my passports were going to make this like going to the US... Then the culprit was revealed....

The most telling thing about this ilustrates the social mobility of Norway.. One of the victims was the step brother of the Crown Princess.. who was working a security guard....

No this is a loss of innocesence.. The French jas had the riots and its inner city tension.. Italy went through the bombings of the left in the 70's a nd 80's and endured the clannish crimes, Germany went through state sponspored brutality and the insaity of the left.. Luxomoberg had the bombing accepted tp be the work of the G man, Spanin had the memory of Franco, the train bombings and ETA (probably all of this was sponsored by the CIA, isreal and not the product of local groups based on the above premis...) The Ductch just went through the collective guilt of their failure to act in Sebernisa... The Swedes had a prime minister gunned down.. This is a lost of virginal innocesence..

Let me be clair the liberal crimial system in Norway is under seige at the moment , the attitude is that how can he go to prision as this is likely to be a death sentence... from other inmates.. The law is being misinterpreted as he will be free in 14 years time at best....

Think of the parents they let their teenagers go to camp, to participate in the nations poltics...And they end up being killed and shot at ??? This includes one of the people I have daily interaction with over here

Now I can explain what the murder rate in Jamaica means to me in Jamaica to a Norwegian... it is a sad state for any nation to feel..

I like the Norwegians for what they are doing in Timor Leste.....quietly... go figure it out....This was more shocking that has it been an outsider.. to me its deliberateness of the action and an individual pump bullets into teen age flesh ????

I am draw to the duality of &quot;One Love&quot;As this sinner thought he was doing whats best for his own... I was always certain Bob was being introspective when he wrote that but it is a question that every killer has to rationalise

Is there a place
for the hope less sinner
who has hurt all man king
just to save his own
beleiving
one love...


But what the hell do I know.. I am just a sell out stupid, uninformed....

[RichD]

Re: Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

But what the hell do I know.. I am just a sell out stupid, uninformed.... </div></div>

and you get your information from the corporate media.....


let me go see what znet have to say

[Wahalla]

Re: Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

But what the hell do I know.. I am just a sell out stupid, uninformed.... </div></div>

and you get your information from the corporate media.....


let me go see what znet have to say </div></div>

Opinons as u put it are not facts


This is what Stratfor said on Friday before the full impact was knownnn.. Laying out all possible standard scanrios

What the Norway Attack Could Mean for Europe

July 22, 2011


At least 17 people have died and more have been injured in an explosion in downtown Oslo and a shooting at a Labor Party youth camp outside the Norwegian capital. Norwegian police arrested the shooter at the camp and believe he is connected with the explosion, though others could be involved.

The significance of the events in Norway for the rest of Europe will depend largely on who is responsible, and the identity of the culprits is still unclear. However, STRATFOR can extrapolate the possible consequences of the attacks based on several scenarios.



The first scenario is that grassroots Islamist militants based in Norway are behind these seemingly connected attacks. Grassroots jihadist groups are already assumed to exist across Europe, and this assumption — along with previous attacks — has bolstered far-right political parties' popularity across the Continent. Many center-right politicians have also begun raising anti-immigrant policy issues in order to distract from the ongoing economic austerity measures brought about by the European economic crisis. If grassroots Islamist militants are found to be the culprits in Norway, it will simply reinforce the current European political trend that favors the far right. That said, some far-right parties, particularly in Northern Europe, could get a popularity boost sufficient to push them into the political mainstream, and possibly into government.



If an individual, grassroots or organized domestic group with far-right or neo-Nazi leanings perpetrated the attack, the significance for the rest of Europe will not be large. It could lead to a temporary loss of popularity for the far right, but long-term repercussions for the far right are unlikely since these parties have begun tempering their platforms in order to attract a wider constituency.

<span style="color: #FF0000">There is also the possibility that the attacks are the work of a skilled but disturbed individual with grievances against the Labor Party. This possibility would have few long-ranging repercussions beyond a reworking of domestic security procedures in Norway. </span>

Another scenario is that the attack was carried out by an international group which may have entered the country some time ago. Regardless of the time frame, if the culprits crossed a border to get into Norway, other European countries will feel very vulnerable; Norway is Europe's northern terminus, and if international militants can get to Norway, they can get to anywhere in Europe. This vulnerability could severely damage the Schengen Agreement, once a symbolic pillar of Europe's unity, which has been under attack in the last several months. The agreement allows visa-free travel between the 25 countries in the Schengen Area (most of which are EU members, but the Schengen Area does include some non-EU members like Norway and Switzerland). The agreement came under pressure when Italy threatened to allow migrants fleeing the Libyan conflict and Tunisian political unrest to gain temporary resident status in order to cross into France. It was Rome's way of forcing the rest of Europe to help it with the influx of migrants. The solution proposed by France and Italy was to essentially establish temporary borders &quot;under very exceptional circumstances.&quot; Later, Denmark reimposed border controls, supposedly due to an increase in cross-border crime.

The attack in Norway, if it involved cross-border movements, could therefore damage or even end the Schengen Agreement. Other European countries, particularly those where the far right is strong or where center-right parties have adopted an anti-immigrant message, could push for further amendments to the pact.

A transnational militant plot against a European country in the contemporary context could also be significant for European defense policy. When the 2004 Madrid attack and 2005 London attack happened, many in Europe argued that the attacks were a result of European governments' support for U.S. military operations in the Middle East. This is no longer really the case for Europe, although European forces are still in Afghanistan. It is much more difficult to blame Europe's alliance with the United States for this attack. As such, Europe could very well be motivated to take ongoing efforts to increase European defense coordination seriously. Current efforts are being led by Poland, which is doing so mainly because it wants to increase security against Russia's resurgence, not because of global militancy. The problem with Warsaw's plan is that it has little genuine support in Western Europe, other than France. An attack on Norway could, however, provide the kind of impetus necessary for Europe to feel threatened by global events.

The last scenario is that the attack is linked to Norway's involvement in the campaign in Libya. If the Libyan government is somehow connected to the bombing and/or shooting, the rest of Europe will rally behind Norway and increase their efforts in Libya. This scenario would essentially close off the opening in negotiations prompted by a recent move by Paris and other European governments saying they would be open to Moammar Gadhafi's remaining in Libya.

[johnnycakes]

Re: Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

No crazy conspiracy, just a right wing CHRISTIAN doing his thing.



from ZNET retake on Danny Schecter's article, a pertinent excerpt.


&quot;Brievik has taken Islamphobia to a new level of violence and killing hoping to spark an uprising in Europe. He quotes from American websites that view all Muslims as Jihadists, and even the tract of the Unabomber.

The Made in the USA stamp is all over this despicable act.

We can see how easily hatemongers abandon argument for agitation and vow death for all perceived enemies.

We can also see how quickly major media outlets jumped to the assumption that the perpetrators were Muslims, Al Qaeda killers or worse. All the “terror” experts did what was done after the Oklahoma City bombings—blame the “other.”

Fox News led the rush to judgment with predictable Muslim bashing. CNN’s Tim Lister was not far behind, speculating early on, &quot;You've only got to look at the target--prime minister's office, the headquarters of the major newspaper group next door. Why would that be relevant? Because the Norwegian newspapers republished the cartoons of Prophet Mohammad that caused such offense in the Muslim world...That is an issue that still rankles amongst Islamist militants the world over.”

http://www.zcommunications.org/the-blue-...danny-schechter

[Blackstar*]

Re: Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Comments on salon.com are asking how did he manage to get a semi-automatic machine gun which is illegal in Norway. </div></div>
How do Jamaicans get semi automatic weapons which are illegal ???? or are Jamaicans smarter than Norwegians.. </div></div>
For some stupid reason, one might assume that Norwegian security and police forces are more effective than the JCF.

[Derek]

Re: Don't laugh (well you can, I don't care).

Forget about his freemason's outfit.
Forget whether he's crazy or not.
Forget his doctored Facebook page.
Forget whether he was a anti-Arab terrorist or a pro-Israeli Nazi.
Forget that multiple witnesses claim there was more than one shooter.

It's all a diversion.

The Norwegian government just got a taste of how easily certain interests can fk their country if they don't toe the line. (Maybe bombing from fighter jets is only for Muslim states.)

So...

<span style="font-weight: bold">Just watch and see if Norway will still press ahead with its plan to pull out of the bombing of Libya by August 1.

And if the Norwegian government still has the balls, or changes its mind, about recognising Palestine as a sovereign nation.</span>