Riots: The Truth About Mark Duggan

[Derek]

Hardened north London gangster and drug dealer, or loving family man who would never seek confrontation? Two different portraits were painted of Mark Duggan, the 29-year-old Tottenham man whose death sparked the weekend's London riots.

Close family members, gathered in their garden in Tottenham amid a pile of bouquets left in memory of the dead 29-year-old, refused to speak to journalists, blaming the media for "twisting the truth" and telling "all these lies" about Duggan. "He was a good man. He was a family man," one relative told The Guardian.

Duggan's fiancee, Semone Wilson, has admitted Duggan was known to the police and said he had spent some time on remand, but denied he was ever imprisoned. Mark, whom she had known for 12 years, was "a good Dad" who "idolised his kids", she said. The couple were hoping to marry soon and move out of Tottenham to "start a new life together" with their three children, Kemani, aged ten, Kajaun, seven, and 18-month-old Kahliya. A fourth child, a daughter, was stillborn.

Speaking to Channel 4 News, Wilson said her partner was not a gangster and would run from trouble rather than shoot at police. "If he did have a gun – which I don't know – Mark would run. Mark is a runner. He would run rather than firing and that's coming from the bottom of my heart," she said. "They are portraying Mark as a gangster. Mark is not a gangster. He's not known to any gangsters or any gangs. He's not like that."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/mark-duggan-profile-tottenham-shooting

[Dr.Dudd]

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The media is covering up his Jamaican nationality or roots.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Hardened north London gangster and drug dealer, or loving family man who would never seek confrontation? Two different portraits were painted of Mark Duggan, the 29-year-old Tottenham man whose death sparked the weekend's London riots.

Close family members, gathered in their garden in Tottenham amid a pile of bouquets left in memory of the dead 29-year-old, refused to speak to journalists, blaming the media for &quot;twisting the truth&quot; and telling &quot;all these lies&quot; about Duggan. &quot;He was a good man. He was a family man,&quot; one relative told The Guardian.

Duggan's fiancee, Semone Wilson, has admitted Duggan was known to the police and said he had spent some time on remand, but denied he was ever imprisoned. Mark, whom she had known for 12 years, was &quot;a good Dad&quot; who &quot;idolised his kids&quot;, she said. The couple were hoping to marry soon and move out of Tottenham to &quot;start a new life together&quot; with their three children, Kemani, aged ten, Kajaun, seven, and 18-month-old Kahliya. A fourth child, a daughter, was stillborn.

Speaking to Channel 4 News, Wilson said her partner was not a gangster and would run from trouble rather than shoot at police. &quot;If he did have a gun – which I don't know – Mark would run. Mark is a runner. He would run rather than firing and that's coming from the bottom of my heart,&quot; she said. &quot;They are portraying Mark as a gangster. Mark is not a gangster. He's not known to any gangsters or any gangs. He's not like that.&quot;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...enham-shooting </div></div>

[R_C]

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Girlfriends and Police. Equally credible sources of truth.

[Derek]

Re: Riots: The Truth About Mark Duggan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Girlfriends and Police. Equally credible sources of truth. </div></div>

Fair point, but either the guy is a jailbird or not. It's easy for the press to find out. Or to make up.

[MsPeaches]

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Greetings, Boardites.....looks like I arrived just in time!

Here's a link detailing some of the History of the Tottenham trouble:

FROM 2006.......

So this mess didn't start 3 days ago, just for the record.

Derek, how did you find out he was Jamaican?

[Wahalla]

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I assume he is independently weathly as no mention if he was employed or unemployed yet he was in a cab.

[blugiant]

Re: protests: The Truth About Mark Duggan

mii earinn da same ting dat imm might bee a yaawdee dat y mii decide fe poas pon yah tidday. sum aff de area ova deh wey dem protestinn ar de immigrant area.

nat sure diss troo but mii ear dat armed english bobbies stapp de cyaar annarder de two blakk men fe gitt out. wen dem gitt out wan aff de armed bobby gun went aff ann de bullet lodged inna annada bobby walkee talkee. blakk man start fee laff att dem ann nexx ting yu kno de blakk man gitt killed. wat a ting iff diss storree troo dat dem killed de blakk man cah imm wass laffinn att dem bobby friendlee fire inepetitude



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The media is covering up his Jamaican nationality or roots.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Hardened north London gangster and drug dealer, or loving family man who would never seek confrontation? Two different portraits were painted of Mark Duggan, the 29-year-old Tottenham man whose death sparked the weekend's London riots.

Close family members, gathered in their garden in Tottenham amid a pile of bouquets left in memory of the dead 29-year-old, refused to speak to journalists, blaming the media for &quot;twisting the truth&quot; and telling &quot;all these lies&quot; about Duggan. &quot;He was a good man. He was a family man,&quot; one relative told The Guardian.

Duggan's fiancee, Semone Wilson, has admitted Duggan was known to the police and said he had spent some time on remand, but denied he was ever imprisoned. Mark, whom she had known for 12 years, was &quot;a good Dad&quot; who &quot;idolised his kids&quot;, she said. The couple were hoping to marry soon and move out of Tottenham to &quot;start a new life together&quot; with their three children, Kemani, aged ten, Kajaun, seven, and 18-month-old Kahliya. A fourth child, a daughter, was stillborn.

Speaking to Channel 4 News, Wilson said her partner was not a gangster and would run from trouble rather than shoot at police. &quot;If he did have a gun – which I don't know – Mark would run. Mark is a runner. He would run rather than firing and that's coming from the bottom of my heart,&quot; she said. &quot;They are portraying Mark as a gangster. Mark is not a gangster. He's not known to any gangsters or any gangs. He's not like that.&quot;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...enham-shooting </div></div> </div></div>

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MsPeaches</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Derek, how did you find out he was Jamaican? </div></div>

I don't know if he is and never stated that he was.

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Girlfriends and Police. Equally credible sources of truth. </div></div>

Fair point, but either the guy is a jailbird or not. It's easy for the press to find out. Or to make up. </div></div>

True in regards to a record of imprisonment but that is beside the point. It's the allegations of him being a &quot;gangster&quot; (whatever that means), a drug dealer, someone who carries a gun or whether he shot the bobbie that is going to be somewhat more difficult to determine from what family members, the girlfriend and the police have to say.

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Girlfriends and Police. Equally credible sources of truth. </div></div>

Fair point, but either the guy is a jailbird or not. It's easy for the press to find out. Or to make up. </div></div>

True in regards to a record of imprisonment but that is beside the point. It's the allegations of him being a &quot;gangster&quot; (whatever that means), a drug dealer, someone who carries a gun or whether he shot the bobbie that is going to be somewhat more difficult to determine from what family members, the girlfriend and the police have to say. </div></div>




True.

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Girlfriends and Police. Equally credible sources of truth. </div></div>

Fair point, but either the guy is a jailbird or not. It's easy for the press to find out. Or to make up. </div></div>

True in regards to a record of imprisonment but that is beside the point. It's the allegations of him being a &quot;gangster&quot; (whatever that means), a drug dealer, someone who carries a gun or whether he shot the bobbie that is going to be somewhat more difficult to determine from what family members, the girlfriend and the police have to say. </div></div>

did he ave a gun pon imm ar wass wan planted? itt natt beeinn reported butt annadda version iss dat wen da bobbies ordered de men fran de cyaarr wan aff de nervous ann figgittee bobby weapon accidentallee disscharged hittinn da addar bobby. wan aff de men started too laff att de keystone bobby ann dat wen imm wass killed. iss babylon media version correct ar iss da addar versian mii ear carrect? blakk peeeps use too diss typa coverup. like mii alway sey racism a global ting even inn blakk countrees. mii wandar oww dem protestinn ova wan man ann jamaicans neva protest ova bruce tivoli maaacre

stange dat de family peacefullee marched to da police station ann de bobbies saw da family protesting outside fe tree hour ann refuse too meet widd dem. wass itt dat dissrespect dat escalate de situation

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii wandar oww dem protestinn ova wan man ann jamaicans neva protest ova bruce tivoli maaacre </div></div>

Not sure if you could call what is happening &quot;protestinn ova wan man&quot; anymore. But let's call it that for argument's sake for the moment.

What does breaking into stores and stealing their inventory have to do with protesting Mark Duggan's death ? And do you really think that that guy with the bag of rice for example either knows or gives a crap about him ?

[Derek]

Re: Riots: The Truth About Mark Duggan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii wandar oww dem protestinn ova wan man ann jamaicans neva protest ova bruce tivoli maaacre </div></div>

Not sure if you could call what is happening &quot;protestinn ova wan man&quot; anymore. But let's call it that for argument's sake for the moment.

What does breaking into stores and stealing their inventory have to do with protesting Mark Duggan's death ? And do you really think that that guy with the bag of rice for example either knows or gives a crap about him ? </div></div>

There are always people looking for an excuse to get something free. Here's an excuse.

[RichD]

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the girl on the interview you posted said:

&quot;showing the police we can do what we want&quot;

&quot;showing the rich people we can do what we want&quot;

[jah_yout]

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yes the anger has to do with more than the man's death...

it is pent up anger over the entire global war on the have-nots...

the global elites have been consolidating their power &amp; squeezing the little guy...
the little guy is trying to fight back &amp; this is the only way he feels he can be heard;

as martin luther king said;

&quot;riots are the voice of the unheard&quot;