R_C (and Others)

[Derek]

<span style="font-size: 11pt">There is one FACT that we should agree upon: the FACT that you and I will never know the full TRUTH of what happened that day.
Where we differ, is you’re quite happy with ‘the Muslims did it’ and you close the book, whereas my book is wide open due to numerous logical and sensible questions I have that are ignored.
Therefore I ask you and anyone else to give me logical and sensible answers to the following questions (DON’T start your answers with ‘Maybe’ - that means you don’t know):

• Why did the owner of WTC7 insure the building specifically against terrorist attack about two months beforehand?
• Why were put options placed on American and United Airlines stock weeks before the attack?
• How did 19 guys go through those airports and board four aircraft without being spotted by CCTV?
• NORAD had a 100% record of intercepting aircraft before 9/11. Why did they ‘stand down’?
• Never before has fire brought down a skyscraper. How come we had three on Sept. 11?
• Why did the buildings collapse at freefall speed, neatly into their own footprint (all three!) That only happens, according to structural and engineering experts, with controlled demolitions?
• Why do so many witnesses say they heard explosions in the buildings?
• Why did the BBC report the collapse of WTC7 while it was still standing in the background?
• How did Mohammed Atta’s passport survive?
• Why were Israelis http://careandwashingofthebrain.blog...-israelis.html laughing and high-fiving when the second tower was hit?
• Why were they arrested but sent home without being investigated? http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/record_9-11.jpg
• What did they mean on Israeli TV when they said they were there to ‘document the event’?
• Why was there a neat, round hole in the Pentagon and no engine parts?

R_C, I have an idea. Join 911 Truth. There, you’ll find researchers, journalists who can’t get there info into the mainstream, FBI and intelligence people who know a thing or two and most importantly, families of victims who refuse to accept the simple explanation of ‘the Muslims did it’.

Take the jam.com kikikiki posse and the Sunshine Band with you to 911 Truth. Use words such as ‘nutjob’, ‘tin foil hats’ and SMH. Tell them about their ‘imagination’ and that they have ‘too much time on their hands’.

And those angry, grieving families will tell unnu bout unnu parts. FACT.
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[neutral]

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Yep,..lots of unanswered questions,some events do defy belief,for me it,s got to be the twin towers falling down so neatly,.....it,s the neatest I,ve seen buildings fall down that are supposedly not under controlled conditions.

[neutral]

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What I also do not believe is that passengers on flight 93 overpowered their &quot;hijackers&quot; then plunged the aircraft into the ground.

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Derek, do you believe that the passengers on Flight 77 are still alive ? </div></div>

They ended up at Cleveland Airport. Only a true insider knows what happened after that. </div></div>

I don't understand what this means.
Please explain, thanks.

[jah_yout]

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have they ever explained why there were reports that building 7 would fall before it did?
i've seen at least 3 reporters report it would fall while it was still standing...

it was not hit by planes or jet fuel fire...
so can someone explain to me why it also collapsed...

thanks in advance

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 11pt">There is one FACT that we should agree upon: the FACT that you and I will never know the full TRUTH of what happened that day.
Where we differ, is you’re quite happy with ‘the Muslims did it’ and you close the book, whereas my book is wide open due to numerous logical and sensible questions I have that are ignored.
Therefore I ask you and anyone else to give me logical and sensible answers to the following questions (DON’T start your answers with ‘Maybe’ - that means you don’t know):

• Why did the owner of WTC7 insure the building specifically against terrorist attack about two months beforehand?(<span style="color: #FF0000">I got a warning a couple months before as to the increase possibility of activity.. this included a revveiw of security procedures while traveling... And we were told that additional changes had to be made on the procedures.. This happens periodically as per insurance and acturial activity...there was a time that I got regular security updates and that was not that unusual)</span>

• Why were put options placed on American and United Airlines stock weeks before the attack? <span style="color: #FF0000">(So every time there is a bet against a stock there is a reason ? Betting with options with large ammounts is near standard for the era of pointless risk...When Soro's bet against the pound was that because of terrorist attack.. when a few months back there was an advisory about bad debts ? was that a terrotiost act ? And did the people who took the opposing possition against the market were they not in the know ??? </span>

• How did 19 guys go through those airports and board four aircraft without being spotted by CCTV? <span style="color: #FF0000">A case of data vs information... There is a data over load and a lack of potential to sieve... Besides the </span>

• NORAD had a 100% record of intercepting aircraft before 9/11.<span style="color: #FF0000"> Why did they ‘stand down’? Because they were incompent...??? Intersect to do what ???Isnt Norad a military system while the planes were on the alternative mointoring by the FAA.... </span> <span style="color: #FF0000"> </span>

• Never before has fire brought down a skyscraper. How come we had three on Sept. 11? <span style="color: #FF0000"> The core of the building structure was compromised ie the load bearign walls.. When the plane hit its momentum and force was transherd directly to the fixed sub structure....if u climbed stolen mangos or guineps or gathered dry wood from trees as a boy you learnt quickly that the branch breaks at the most rigid point the at the joint with the trunk. and to mbreak a branch u apply a single force further along the branch (....The intial impact energy was trancefed to the fixed rigid point. (the kinetic moment of the force, was the equavalent of a punch....not all forces are equal a fast punch is more effective that a slow one).. the building super structure had flexibility in design (higher modulus of elasticity) than the to withstand force of the wind to the rigid point, area of the joining of the rigid point and the flexible point is the weak link. Teh initial impact juddered through the system weaking the structure, then the weight of the building caused structutral failure at the weak point. I spend too much time with risk assesments and reverse engineering diasaters. so if the lower point is weakend to failure point the buildignfalls inward.. it just shows a failure of design.. </span> As soon as I saw the hit.. I expected the collapse...
• Why did the buildings collapse at freefall speed, neatly into their own footprint (all three!) That only happens, according to structural and engineering experts, with controlled demolitions? (see above)
• Why do so many witnesses say they heard explosions in the buildings? (<span style="color: #CC0000">Structural steel supports and weld failures understress explosively.. the welds were too rigid showing credance to the above assement</span>

• Why did the BBC report the collapse of WTC7 while it was still standing in the background? <span style="color: #CC0000"> Did the BBC report it before it actually fell or did they report it when the back ground of the hit smoking building were in place ????</span>
• How did Mohammed Atta’s passport survive? <span style="color: #FF0000">(same reason why papers at the point of ignition of esplosion survive fires and explosions... The principle is the same as why the heads of sucide bombers are sometimes found 100 m or more from the point of explosion...)</span>
• Why were Israelis http://careandwashingofthebrain.blog...-israelis.html laughing and high-fiving when the second tower was hit?
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Because it is now forgotten that the US stance was that the balance of power in the middle east had shifted and Bush ahd indicated that htere would be not more blanket support of isreal.. Powell had stated that they would reexamine the relationship and had indicated that aid was going to be shorted.... that to realise, they relsied that because of the US incompetence that they would have to come to the isreal for support and in turn would step away from the norwegin negoitated road map.... </span> • Why were they arrested but sent home without being investigated? http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/record_9-11.jpg... <span style="color: #FF0000">(incompetence not design)</span>• What did they mean on Israeli TV when they said they were there to ‘document the event’?
• Why was there a neat, round hole in the Pentagon and no engine parts?

R_C, I have an idea. Join 911 Truth. There, you’ll find researchers, journalists who can’t get there info into the mainstream, FBI and intelligence people who know a thing or two and most importantly, families of victims who refuse to accept the simple explanation of ‘the Muslims did it’.

Take the jam.com kikikiki posse and the Sunshine Band with you to 911 Truth. Use words such as ‘nutjob’, ‘tin foil hats’ and SMH. Tell them about their ‘imagination’ and that they have ‘too much time on their hands’.

And those angry, grieving families will tell unnu bout unnu parts. FACT.
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9-11 was a terrible event.. But it was superbly planned by evil people.. its logistics was thought out. The and us inteligence was incompentent) with an over dependence on technical data rather than on human information... The idea of conspirasy that I have seen floated has at its roots the concept that people from the middle east, Africans and non westerners are incompetent....

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take the jam.com kikikiki posse and the Sunshine Band </div></div>

I love this

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Derek, do you believe that the passengers on Flight 77 are still alive ? </div></div>

They ended up at Cleveland Airport. Only a true insider knows what happened after that. </div></div>

I don't understand what this means.
Please explain, thanks. </div></div>

I'll let you know when I have more information.
Not that I should bother,because you won't believe anything I post anyway.

[Derek]

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<span style="font-style: italic">Hey, what happened to the passengers on Flight 77 again?

<span style="font-weight: bold">there were no passengers on flight 77. What flight 77? the BTS database says it never even took off that day... </span>

As far as I know, they were taken to Cleveland


<span style="font-weight: bold">ya, maybe from me too
But it ended up a rabbit hole.</span></span>


Make of that what you will; but it neither proves nor disproves 'the Muslims did it.'

[R_C]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not that I should bother,because you won't believe anything I post anyway. </div></div>

Well, you don't know that. In any event, let's hear the evidence and we can take it from there.

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Hey, what happened to the passengers on Flight 77 again?

<span style="font-weight: bold">there were no passengers on flight 77. What flight 77? the BTS database says it never even took off that day... </span>

As far as I know, they were taken to Cleveland


<span style="font-weight: bold">ya, maybe from me too
But it ended up a rabbit hole.</span></span>


Make of that what you will; but it neither proves nor disproves 'the Muslims did it.'
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I agree with you that the plane that hit the pentagon was more of a fighter jet than a 747/757. Maybe the fighter plane missed the targeted plane? but what happened to the target plane?