blakk canciousness

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inspired by emparah

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Garvey always acknowledged this difference, declaring the &quot;difficulty about the West Indies [to be] that the Negroes there haven't the racial consciousness possessed by the Negroes of the United States nor those of Africa.&quot;</div></div>




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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Garvey's failure to make headway with the UNIA in Jamaica, which was what impelled him to visit the United States in 1916, could be attributed to the absence of a clear-cut racial consciousness in Jamaica. One of his early Jamaican benefactors, R. W. Bryant, confirmed the reality of Garvey's early failure: &quot;Marcus Garvey had . . . an uphill fight in Jamaica. He did not meet with the success he was hoping for.&quot; Garvey's assessment was that in 1916, Jamaicans &quot;were not sufficiently racially conscious to appreciate a racial movement because they lived under a common system of sociological hypocrisy that deprived them of that very racial consciousness.&quot; Conversely, he felt that the American Negro would respond to his calls to racial action because in the United States, &quot;the Negro was forced to a consciousness of his racial responsibility.&quot;</div></div>


.. git itt miss peaches

[blugiant]

Re: blakk canciousness

garvey argument iss dat <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jamaicans &quot;were not sufficiently racially conscious to appreciate a racial movement because they lived under a common system of sociological hypocrisy that deprived them of that very racial consciousness.&quot;</div></div>


da same argument caan now be applied to moas afrikkans? agree ar dissagree

doo oonnoo tink blakk merikkans ar moas blakk cancious peeps? y ar y natt

tink pon da positive ann negative aspects aff blakk canciousness? positive aspects iss a group mental thinkinn ting dat can be use fe push blakk interests ann negative aspects oww dem use itt fe rally ann mislead blakk peeps by pushinn certain agenda as blakk interests even iff itt doan benefit moas blakk peeps

doan baddar ask mii fe define blakk canciousness cah diss a cancious tredd

[andronian2]

Re: blakk canciousness

I agree that Jamaicans can be lacking in racial consciousness.
In fact, it is often worn as a badge of honour.
&quot;Out of many one people&quot; right, even when there is a continuum of prosperity inversely proportional to the amount of melanin you possess.

It's a bit complicated because Jamaica has a schizophrenic relationship with its Africanness.
On the on hand it is accepted as an integral part of our history but treated, on the other hand, like something we need to graduate from.
So that is reflected in present attitudes towards indigenous things that bear the stamps of African ancestors.

I think there is positive opportunity in racial consciousness.
It does not have to be a destructive force towards other people.
Its power was understood and active efforts were made to destroy it through the processes that brought Africans to the &quot;new world&quot; as slaves.

When &quot;push come to shove&quot; people revert to their more basic states and racial lines become more important.
I think this has become evident in Libya where many blacks living there may have felt unthreatened until now.
To an extent, America hs actually become somewhat more racialized during the tenure of Barack Obama.

So I can't help but feel that the current (MLK-esque) black obsession with integration into other peoples is not the most useful thing.
Even If we psychologically make our race unimportant to us it does not prevent others from noticing.
So if instead of building progressive alliances with people &quot;in the same boat&quot; we continually chase those who proudly identify as another race we may find that their tolerance doesn't hold up at crunch time.

IOW, what I feel is that black race needs to understand that it needs its own &quot;nest egg&quot; that it controls.
We can't be indefinitely content with living as middle-class minorities or impoverished majorities.
Another powerful black STATE, after 500 years, would change the reality entirely; which is why nobody is going to make it happen for us.