An answer to Wahalla's question

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well the wailers beleive it was black people dat rip dem aff not Chris whitewell...

suh blak can a taino sing reggae or mento ?

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yess ann no. dem sed peeps like scratch teef dem butt fe gawn like itt wass onlee blakk peeps dat teef dem nuh rite

yu knoo mii luv dat aussie cum pon yah dat mii caan use de aborigenes fe remind yu dat de taino wass blakk ann dem runn inna da mountain ann gine widd de blakk afrikkans. so wen yu ask mii iff da taino can sing reggae ar mento da anwsar iss dem awlreadee doinn itt

wahalla iff de aborginnals look like diss imagine oww de look aff de tainos

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MorwenEdhelwen1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">blakkgiant, thanks for your response. Going back to that example, the singer is White in a band <span style="font-style: italic">where the other singers are Black and where the music has its roots in the African experience. Rastafarianism is based on the belief (from my research) that Haile Selassie I, an Ethiopian emperor, was the Second Coming, and it was (and still is) the philosophy behind reggae, or at least some of it</span>. According to another poster, the issue is of national origin and understanding. And you said, it seems to be more of that White Jamaicans (and tourists) don't really understand Black Jamaicans, as in their cultural experiences, due to the racial history.
And that's when cultural appropriation (like &quot;Ooh, this hairstyle's cool! Let me get it, I'll be so exotic! Look at me on a tropical island, fitting in with the natives, la-la-la&quot; on the part of tourists) becomes an issue. And that means I'll have to think some more. Thanks for that.

(<span style="font-style: italic">I admit my perspective is very White-influenced despite my heritage, and I probably would have to spend a very long time in Jamaica before I gained some of your and others' cultural understanding </span>. Is the issue that reggae is linked to mento, which was part of the cultures of Black Jamaicans, and that White Jamaicans played a strong role in suppressing those records that were made in the 50s (they considered them indecent), so the idea of some oyinbo person singing mento or reggae becomes something like (I know this is really simple, but I'm trying to describe it in sentences and get to my point at the same time) &quot;Your ancestors enslaved my ancestors/put them in indentured servitude for centuries. As part of that your culture suppressed my culture's music and cultural expressions, exploiting your power in order to get cheap labour and reinforcing the idea that you were racially superior. And now you play and sing the same music, you want to express yourself in the same way, even though you don't really understand my culture or my experience.&quot;

And so what does that fact mean for someone like me who wants to sing mento? </div></div>

yu pint bout rasta iss intarestinn butt dat wood bee annadda cantencious issue mii ann jy wood affii reason bout

yu kinda gittinn itt butt yu fall bakk inna yu oyinbo analysis ann miss da pint bout racial ann kultural locateshan. sum mzungu pon yah use fe bawl dat mii racist cah mii bunn fiyah pon oyinbo ann dem tried fe gitt mii censared ann banned. blakk admonstaratar add mii laffinn wen hi sed dat mii iss negative toward blakk peeps two. to ovatand de locateshan argument, yu muss ovatand y mii bunn fiyah pon oyinbo ann sum blakks. yu affii bee cancious dat de facts yu presentinn represent de oyinbo point aff view. reggae music is rebel music dat iss diffarant dan seyinn itt da music aff appressed peeps. yu seeeet as oyinbo oppression, wi seeeth as overcuminn oyinbo oppression. iff yu caan walk a mile inn blakk shoe den yu can ovatand ann cannect widd cancious jamaicans pon a deeper level aff canciousness.

tink pon itt diss way sum aff de best ann more insightful writers about racism ar mzungu because dem ovatand oww blakks impacted racism ann natt juss victims aff oyinbo

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MorwenEdhelwen1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The point being this question; Can someone who wants to sing another nationality's music get respect from people from that country? Or will they always be a novelty (as in, &quot;Ooh, look, there's a talking horse! Look guys, that horse can talk! Isn't that <span style="font-style: italic"> cool?</span>&quot Or <span style="font-style: italic">is it possible for someone who sings another country's traditional music to not be a novelty act, but be regarded in the same way as a performer from that country? </span> </div></div>

tink pon ub40 ann sineaid ann y dem gitt a likkle more respect fram jamaicans

yu knoo mii awlway mekk da pint dat mzungu pon yah ar more cancious dan moas mzungu widd regard to ovatandinn racism fram blakk ann jamaicans perspectives cah dem mekk a effart fe ovatand. yu obviouslee didd a latt aff studee aff mento ann calypso ann yu ave a good grasps aff sum aff de facts, moreso dan a latt aff jamaicans. da qwestian iss iff can tart fe ovatand de diffarances between facts fram oyinbo perspective ann facts fram blakks ann jamaicans perspective so yu will bee accepted inn annadda nation? iff yu caan relate to jamaicans on dat level, den mii sure widd enuff wukk yu caan bee seen more pon a kultural level ann less as a noveltee act

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Am going to think

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MorwenEdhelwen1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The point being this question; Can someone who wants to sing another nationality's music get respect from people from that country? Or will they always be a novelty (as in, &quot;Ooh, look, there's a talking horse! Look guys, that horse can talk! Isn't that <span style="font-style: italic"> cool?</span>&quot Or <span style="font-style: italic">is it possible for someone who sings another country's traditional music to not be a novelty act, but be regarded in the same way as a performer from that country? </span> </div></div>

tink pon ub40 ann sineaid ann y dem gitt a likkle more respect fram jamaicans

yu knoo mii awlway mekk da pint dat mzungu pon yah ar more cancious dan moas mzungu widd regard to ovatandinn racism fram blakk ann jamaicans perspectives cah dem mekk a effart fe ovatand. yu obviouslee didd a latt aff studee aff mento ann calypso ann yu ave a good grasps aff sum aff de facts, moreso dan a latt aff jamaicans. da qwestian iss iff can tart fe ovatand de diffarances between facts fram oyinbo perspective ann facts fram blakks ann jamaicans perspective so yu will bee accepted inn annadda nation? iff yu caan relate to jamaicans on dat level, den mii sure widd enuff wukk yu caan bee seen more pon a kultural level ann less as a noveltee act </div></div>
&quot;da qwestian iss iff can tart fe ovatand de diffarances between facts fram oyinbo perspective ann facts fram blakks ann jamaicans perspective so yu will bee accepted inn annadda nation?&quot; Well, yes, I want to start to understand that difference.