Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

**Derek** · 12-06-2011, 02:05 AM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The sickle cell gene is not "exclusive to black people". </div></div>

That's why I <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">asked</span></span> the question, because I don't know.

But this biologist has this to say:

<span style="font-style: italic">Most of the people vulnerable to this disorder are of African descent. Actually, if you overlap a map of the incidence of sickle cell disease with a map of the incidence of malaria, there is a strong correlation. The reason is genetics.
If you have the disease, untreated, you would die young and the disease should extinguish itself after enough generations. The reason why it persists is because being a carrier of the gene gives you resistance to malaria. You survive both diseases to pass on the sickle cell gene. If you mate with another carrier (neither of you have the sickle cell disease) your offspring could get the s.c gene from you and your mate, in which case, that child would have the disease.
So the gene persists in a population because it imparts some benefit...resistance to malaria.
It is very kind of you to be sensitive about the racial issue here. Be assured that this is not the only case of a population with a different gene pool. Type 2 diabetes is much higher among Scandinavians, and it is not related to lifestyle...it is all genetics. So black people are not alone in suffering from their genetic background. We are all a result of our past, to one degree or another.
Source(s):
I teach bio.</span>

**R_C** · 12-06-2011, 06:53 AM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

Black people have more to fear from Planned Parenthood International than a mythical race specific bomb.

**Derek** · 12-06-2011, 07:18 AM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black people have more to fear from Planned Parenthood International than a mythical race specific bomb. </div></div>

True.

Planned Parenthood is a destructive, decimating bomb by another name.

**franksterr** · 12-06-2011, 08:14 AM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is one of the silliest things I have read in a long time.</div></div>

That was my initial response.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For example:

What is the "Afro gene" ?</div></div>

Beats me

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the "Arab race" ?</div></div>

Race is a social concept, so the" Arab Race" is not a misnomer, back in the early 1900 hundreds they used to refer to the German race or even the French race.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought "Chinese" referred to someone who was born in China ? When did "Chinese" become a racial group ?</div></div>

Chinese like the word Jew has more than one meaning depending on context.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did this article first appear in the Onion ?
</div></div>

Who knows???

**R_C** · 12-06-2011, 10:49 AM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Race is a social concept"</div></div>

So how does one build a bomb to take out ....a social concept ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"the" Arab Race" is not a misnomer..</div></div>

It is archaic and meaningless.

**Wahalla** · 12-06-2011, 11:21 AM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

I read this and am struck how much ignorance there are about basic gene /DNA /base pair sequences....

**RichD** · 12-06-2011, 11:25 AM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read this and am struck how much ignorance there are about basic gene /DNA /base pair sequences.... </div></div>

stories like this are not about the actual bomb or the science its all about enhancing the myth that beyond the superficial there is a fundamental genetic difference between "us" and "them".

**franksterr** · 12-06-2011, 02:22 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=frankster]"Race is a social concept"

So how does one build a bomb to take out ....a social concept ?</div></div>

Race maybe a social concept, but phenotype and or genotype on which it is based is not.....in short people of African descent or European descent are real.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"the" Arab Race" is not a misnomer..

It is archaic and meaningless. </div></div>
Archaic yes but it is far from meaningless

**franksterr** · 12-06-2011, 02:23 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read this and am struck how much ignorance there are about basic gene /DNA /base pair sequences.... </div></div>

Explain???

**franksterr** · 12-06-2011, 02:30 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read this and am struck how much ignorance there are about basic gene /DNA /base pair sequences.... </div></div>

stories like this are not about the actual bomb or the science its all about enhancing the myth that beyond the superficial there is a fundamental genetic difference between "us" and "them". </div></div>

It is the superficial difference that they wish to exploit....and there is nothing mythical in that.

Myths that are believed in tend to become true - George Orwell

Todays fact is yesterdays fiction, the story of Troy and the Trojan horse was a Myth now it is a reality or in the words of Mark Twain
<span style="font-weight: bold">Truth is stranger than fiction</span>, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Gene</span>sis 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
</span></span>

**RichD** · 12-06-2011, 02:33 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read this and am struck how much ignorance there are about basic gene /DNA /base pair sequences.... </div></div>

stories like this are not about the actual bomb or the science its all about enhancing the myth that beyond the superficial there is a fundamental genetic difference between "us" and "them". </div></div>

Todays fact is yesterdays fiction, the story of Troy and the Trojan horse was a Myth now it is a reality or in the words of Mark Twain
<span style="font-weight: bold">Truth is stranger than fiction</span>, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Gene</span>sis 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
</span></span> </div></div>

i think you have misread/misunderstood my comment

**franksterr** · 12-06-2011, 02:43 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I read this and am struck how much ignorance there are about basic gene /DNA /base pair sequences.... </div></div>

stories like this are not about the actual bomb or the science its all about enhancing the myth that beyond the superficial there is a fundamental genetic difference between "us" and "them". </div></div>

Todays fact is yesterdays fiction, the story of Troy and the Trojan horse was a Myth now it is a reality or in the words of Mark Twain
<span style="font-weight: bold">Truth is stranger than fiction</span>, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Gene</span>sis 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
</span></span> </div></div>

i think you have misread/misunderstood my comment </div></div>

My Apologies if I have..

**jah_yout** · 12-06-2011, 03:13 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Race is a social concept"</div></div>

So how does one build a bomb to take out ....a social concept ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"the" Arab Race" is not a misnomer..</div></div>

It is archaic and meaningless. </div></div>

the arabs still use the word "araab" and they sometimes use it as a racial designation;

the terms "caucasian" and "negroid" are even more misleading & preposterous...yet still very much in use

**R_C** · 12-06-2011, 03:45 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Race maybe a social concept, but phenotype and or genotype on which it is based is not.....in short people of African descent or European descent are real.</div></div>

The phenotypic distinctions you are referring to are stereotypes. Africa and Europe are vast and diverse continents and there is no single phenotype that represents "people of African descent" or "people of European descent" in 2011. Add to that the people of the diaspora of both continents and the distinctions break down even further.

As for genotype, what is the "African genotype" pray ?

**franksterr** · 12-06-2011, 05:01 PM

Re: Race specific Bomb... [censored] an Afro-gene?????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=frankster]Race maybe a social concept, but phenotype and or genotype on which it is based is not.....in short people of African descent or European descent are real.

The phenotypic distinctions you are referring to are stereotypes. Africa and Europe are vast and diverse continents and there is no single phenotype that represents "people of African descent" or "people of European descent" in 2011. Add to that the people of the diaspora of both continents and the distinctions break down even further. </div></div>

This is simple enough.....In Archaeology The Morphology of ancient skulls is often used to tell the origin of ancient peoples and civilizations.

It is not a stereotype when one can readily see that the average European has some physical features that make him easily distinguishable from the average African.....It is these difference on which racism has been predicated upon.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As for genotype, what is the "African genotype" pray ?
</div></div>
The answer to this is much more involve, here it is in a nutshell...
First off genotype does not mean exclusivity but complete make up. As a result different groups my share same or similar gene in varying quantities or forms or places or variation or mutation....in other words sequence or sets of sequences
When it comes to genes some times it is a matter of whether or not it is expresses or turned off.
That being said it is a known fact that there are diseases that African are vastly more predispose to than are European and vice versa and this is one place where genotype plays a role.
To deny the obvious differences between Africans and Europeans is intellectually dishonest....Genetic markers are often used to trace ancestry to tiny villages in remote places

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While previous studies have found that broad-scale geographic ancestry could be successfully traced, the new results indicate "it's becoming increasingly possible to use genomics to refine the geographic position of an individual's ancestors with more and more precision," Prof Rosenberg adds.</div></div>

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3326376/African-DNA-has-more-genetic-diversity.html

What the above is saying is that there is a way to Identify African or European specific gene sequences.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frudakis' test is called DNAWitness.<span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-size: 14pt">It examines DNA from 176 locations along the genome. Particular sequences at these points are found primarily in people of African heritage, others mainly in people of Indo-European, Native American, or South Asian descent.</span></span> No one sequence can perfectly identify a person's origin. But by looking at scores of markers, Frudakis says he can predict ancestry with a tiny margin of error.

Since the Baton Rouge case, DNAWitness has been used nationally in nearly 200 criminal investigations. In several, the science played a crucial role in narrowing the suspect field, ultimately leading to an arrest. But its success hasn't made the technology popular with law enforcement. Frudakis' company, DNAPrint, has yet to turn a profit and may not survive much longer.

Part of the problem is cost — basic tests run more than $1,000. But the real issue? DNAWitness touches on race and racial profiling — a subject with such a tortured history that people can't countenance the existence of the technology, even if they don't understand how it works.</div></div>

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