indefinite detention bill

[RichD]

Re: indefinite detention bill

see exactly what im talking about here


&quot;<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It was Obama who required the bill have the language of U.S. Citizens being held without rights in the bill! The only reason he would veto it, is because it does not give him the absolute power as he wants!</div></div>

[jah_yout]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">manipulation and we dont even realize sey we being manipulated .


soon there will be a poll...&quot;would you be more or less likely to support president obama if he writes a law that gives him the power to indefinitely detain american citizens&quot;?

then the blogosphere explodes Obama wants to be able to lock up Amricans without trial. </div></div>


i don't agree...
i think the info is already out there but most americans just don't care...
to them this can only happen to &quot;terrorists&quot;...

until they are being dragged out of their home &amp; labelled as a terrorist....shipped off without charge or trial never to be heard from again...
sounds crazy, right?

well this is where we are heading...9/11 already conditioned the people's minds to accept these kinds of things....
and drones are already killing american citizens as well as innocent citizens of other countries without trial...no one cares

[Derek]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That sounds scary. I'm not liking a lot of things this administration is doing. </div></div>

The administration does not write law..congress does </div></div>


Come on Rich, Congress will agree/pass the law - you're splitting hairs. </div></div>

read what i said? WRITE laws are written in congress and once passed brought to the president for signature. </div></div>


Aren't laws written by the Justice Department, passed by Congress and signed off by the President?

[blugiant]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That sounds scary. I'm not liking a lot of things this administration is doing. </div></div>

The administration does not write law..congress does </div></div>

Obama Administration Demanded Power To Indefinitely Detain U.S. Citizens


White House removed language that would have protected Americans from Section 1031 of NDAA

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, December 12, 2011

Despite reports that Obama is planning to veto the National Defense Authorization Act, Senator Carl Levin has revealed it was the administration itself that lobbied to remove language from the bill that would have protected American citizens from being detained indefinitely without trial.

“The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved…and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section,” said Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

“It was the administration that asked us to remove the very language which we had in the bill which passed the committee…we removed it at the request of the administration,” said Levine, emphasizing, “It was the administration which asked us to remove the very language the absence of which is now objected to.”

Section 1031 of the NDAA bill, which itself defines the entirety of the United States as a “battlefield,” allows American citizens to be snatched from the streets, carted off to a foreign detention camp and held indefinitely without trial. The bill states that “any person who has committed a belligerent act” faces indefinite detention, but no trial or evidence has to be presented, the White House merely needs to make the accusation.

An amendment introduced by Democratic Senator Feinstein, described as “cleverly worded nonsense” by Congressman Justin Amash, does not protect Americans from being subject to the provision.

“The Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) is dangerously misleading,” writes John Wood of Change.org, which is running a petition to oppose the signing of the bill. “Don’t be fooled: In the text of 1031(e), “Nothing in this section shall be construed…”, the only word that matters is “construed” because the Supreme Court are the only ones with the power to construe the law. The Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) permits citizens to be imprisoned without evidence or a trial forever, if the Supreme Court does not EXPLICITLY repeal 1031.”

The Obama administration never had a problem with Section 1031 of the bill and indeed acted to ensure it applied to American citizens. Doubts over whether or not Obama would veto the bill only arose out of issues with Section 1032, which pertains to the military being required to take custody of individuals.

“Confusingly, Obama threatened a veto for 1032, but NOT 1031. 1032 is UNRELATED to imprisoning citizens without a trial. Obama has never suggested using a veto to stop Section 1031 citizen imprisonment,” writes Wood.

The notion that the administration lobbied for language that would have protected American citizens and legal residents from indefinite detention to be removed from the bill is unsurprising given Obama’s policy with regard to predator drone strikes.

The White House has asserted the right to carry out state-sponsored assassination anywhere in the world without having to provide any evidence or go through any legal process. The administration merely has to state that the target is a terrorist and it doesn’t matter whether they are an American citizen or not, as we saw in the case of American-born Anwar al-Awlaki and his son who were both killed earlier this year.

Indeed, at the start of the month, Obama administration lawyers reaffirmed their backing for state sponsored assassination.

Congress has until tomorrow to block the law before it heads to President Obama’s desk. Putting faith in an administration that has formalized state-sponsored assassination of U.S. citizens without trial to block the ‘indefinite detention’ provision of the NDAA bill is naive to say the least.

Sign the petition, contact your representative and contact the White House making your opposition to the bill known by clicking here.

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[RichD]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Aren't laws written by the Justice Department, passed by Congress and signed off by the President? </div></div>

no

[Derek]

Re: indefinite detention bill

And Rich, did the Obama administration get approval from Congress to invade Libya?

Is the USA now run like a dictatorship?

[Derek]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Aren't laws written by the Justice Department, passed by Congress and signed off by the President? </div></div>

no </div></div>

How does it work?

[franksterr]

Re: indefinite detention bill

The police state has arrived.

[blugiant]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That sounds scary. I'm not liking a lot of things this administration is doing. </div></div>

imagine doinn away widd peeps rite to a trial fe face dem accusser inn court ann deprievinn peeps aff dem freedom


yu ar natt de onlee wan. mii keep hearinn more ann more blakks seyinn datdem nah vote fe obama

[RichD]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That sounds scary. I'm not liking a lot of things this administration is doing. </div></div>

imagine doinn away widd peeps rite to a trial fe face dem accusser inn court ann deprievinn peeps aff dem freedom


yu ar natt de onlee wan. mii keep hearinn more ann more blakks seyinn datdem nah vote fe obama </div></div>

yuh si how well it working

i bet if it change or him veto it yuh never hear a word bout it....its already out there that Obama wants absolute power

[RichD]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Aren't laws written by the Justice Department, passed by Congress and signed off by the President? </div></div>

no </div></div>

How does it work? </div></div>


Bills originate from several different sources, but<span style="font-weight: bold"> primarily from individual members of Congress</span>. In addition, bills might be brought to a member by a constituent or by a group of constituents; a bill can be submitted to a member of Congress by one or more state legislatures; <span style="font-weight: bold">or the President or his administration might suggest a bil</span>l.

[Derek]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...its already out there that Obama wants absolute power </div></div>


Not him, man. He's just the office boy.

[Derek]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Aren't laws written by the Justice Department, passed by Congress and signed off by the President? </div></div>

no </div></div>

How does it work? </div></div>


Bills originate from several different sources, but<span style="font-weight: bold"> primarily from individual members of Congress</span>. In addition, bills might be brought to a member by a constituent or by a group of constituents; a bill can be submitted to a member of Congress by one or more state legislatures; <span style="font-weight: bold">or the President or his administration might suggest a bil</span>l. </div></div>


Yes and this bill will be written up by the Justice Department?

[blugiant]

Re: indefinite detention bill

da reason y mii poas itt iss cah dem askinn peeps fe cawl dem congress peeps ann obama today to try to stop de bill


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;We have [in the bill] the authority to detain without charge or trial terrorism suspects,&quot; said Raha Wala, a lawyer with the Law and Security Program of the group Human Rights First. &quot;There aren't any material changes to the indefinite detention provision,&quot; he said in a conference call organized by the progressive National Security Network</div></div>.

bigups for posting this...

i know about this bill and it is very interesting that the american corporate media has been pretty much silent on this important situation...total media blackout;

this is just the latest clue that america is reverting to its totalitarian past...
the USA has previously used terrorist tactics on groups like the black panther party &amp; others...
it is just now trying to make the totalitarian police state legal thru legislation...

will be interesting to see where obama goes with this
</div></div>

[RichD]

Re: indefinite detention bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Yes and this bill will be written up by the Justice Department? </div></div>

when a bill is presented it is drafted by the staffers of the member of congress presenting the bill.

the justice department is not involved