Anything Can Happen...

[WitchyOoman]

Mr Witchy and I were talking about the way the use of the term "Caucasian" has, over time, been misapplied to mean anyone "white" on the way to a local diner for supper.

Our waiter turned out to be Armenian, still a heavy accent, and we noted his accent - and correctly identified it as from the right part of the world - and asked him exactly where he was from. We got to chatting. Our waiter, Armand, told us we were right, that he was from the Caucasus region, that he was Armenian.

Armand told us when he first came here (to the United States) and began applying to colleges, he was pleasantly surprised to discover a checkbox for "Caucasian". How wonderful is this great country, America, he thought, that it should have a checkbox even for my small and insignificant part of the world! lol He found out later that it really meant "white". Mr WItchy and I roared with laughter. Hadn't we just been talking about this very thing?

Armand is still confused as to why Americans think "Caucasian" means "white"...
Mr Witchy tried to explain that it really was the fault of the 19th century Brits and their odd ideas.

This entire episode just reminded me of the beginning of the book <span style="text-decoration: underline">Anything Can Happen</span> by George Papashvily. I read it, years and years ago, in a Russian translation from it's original Georgian. I have no idea if there is an English translation or not, but by now there might be.

[Wahalla]

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Was he related to Kamo ???

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Was he related to Kamo ??? </div></div>
Who is &quot;he&quot; (Armand or Mr Witchy?) and who is Kamo? What are you asking?

[Wahalla]

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is Arnand related to Kamo ???

Dont they teach u yankis any thing in school ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamo_(Bolshevik)

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr Witchy and I were talking about the way the use of the term &quot;Caucasian&quot; has, over time, been misapplied to mean anyone &quot;white&quot; on the way to a local diner for supper.

Our waiter turned out to be Armenian, still a heavy accent, and we noted his accent - and correctly identified it as from the right part of the world - and asked him exactly where he was from. We got to chatting. Our waiter, Armand, told us we were right, that he was from the Caucasus region, that he was Armenian.

Armand told us when he first came here (to the United States) and began applying to colleges, he was pleasantly surprised to discover a checkbox for &quot;Caucasian&quot;. How wonderful is this great country, America, he thought, that it should have a checkbox even for my small and insignificant part of the world! lol He found out later that it really meant &quot;white&quot;. Mr WItchy and I roared with laughter. Hadn't we just been talking about this very thing?

Armand is still confused as to why Americans think &quot;Caucasian&quot; means &quot;white&quot;...
Mr Witchy tried to explain that it really was the fault of the 19th century Brits and their odd ideas.

This entire episode just reminded me of the beginning of the book <span style="text-decoration: underline">Anything Can Happen</span> by George Papashvily. I read it, years and years ago, in a Russian translation from it's original Georgian. I have no idea if there is an English translation or not, but by now there might be. </div></div>

just more global tricknology by the beast...
same reson native americans are called &quot;indians&quot;...
it's the fashionable term now used to describe &quot;white&quot; people...
but if you look closer, some tricknologists also use it to describe arabs, indians or south asians in general, east &amp; north africans and some &quot;hispanics&quot;...

so by their definition, most of the world's area is &quot;caucasian&quot;....while &quot;blacks&quot; or &quot;negros&quot; only come from africa...

so supposedly the &quot;white race&quot; originated in the caucasus region near modern day georgia in eurasia...

but eventually their tricknology has to cach up with them as evidenced by a case in america where a dark-skinned south asian man sued for the right to be known as &quot;white&quot; since the classifiers of the time had classified him as &quot;caucasian&quot;...
the court of course rejected his claim, stating he was caucasian but he was not white...

aye sah...joke ting dem people yah a deal wid

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
is Arnand related to Kamo ?? </div></div>
He didn't say.

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
just more global tricknology by the beast...</div></div>
You attribute what is the result of sheer stupidity to something far more sinister.
It's not malice, jah_yout; it is merely the stupidity and misunderstanding of 19th century Brits.

[WitchyOoman]

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For what it's worth, this man, Armand, looked &quot;white&quot; rather than Asian or Asian-mixed.
I look much more Asian than Armand... he noted this, in fact, marveling how &quot;real-Caucasian&quot; I look. I am often mistaken for either Amer-Asian or Native American mix. I have that extra epicanthal eye fold that Asians have, but there is no Asian in my family tree (other than perhaps too far back to know about?).

I am purely of Russian stock, but who knows if my people came West (into Russia) from the East (Asia) further back in history than we know of? Several Native American tribes mistake me for one of themselves (notably the Cherokee and the Lakota), insistent that there must be some of their blood in me somewhere -- until I tell them that my people weren't here that long and I know <span style="font-style: italic">ALL</span> of the few short generations who were here. I'm only a second-generation American. My parents were born here, but my father's parents were born in Russia and my mother's grandparents were born in Russia.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
just more global tricknology by the beast...</div></div>
You attribute what is the result of sheer stupidity to something far more sinister.
It's not malice, jah_yout; it is merely the stupidity and misunderstanding of 19th century Brits. </div></div>

it's possible it did not start out that way but it has certainly become very sinister

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For what it's worth, this man, Armand, looked &quot;white&quot; rather than Asian or Asian-mixed.
I look much more Asian than Armand... he noted this, in fact, marveling how &quot;real-Caucasian&quot; I look. I am often mistaken for either Amer-Asian or Native American mix. I have that extra epicanthal eye fold that Asians have, but there is no Asian in my family tree (other than perhaps too far back to know about?).

I am purely of Russian stock, but who knows if my people came West (into Russia) from the East (Asia) further back in history than we know of? Several Native American tribes mistake me for one of themselves (notably the Cherokee and the Lakota), insistent that there must be some of their blood in me somewhere -- until I tell them that my people weren't here that long and I know <span style="font-style: italic">ALL</span> of the few short generations who were here. I'm only a second-generation American. My parents were born here, but my father's parents were born in Russia and my mother's grandparents were born in Russia. </div></div>


well i believe kim jong-il may have been russian-born...

but looking at him one would instantly call him &quot;asian&quot;...

nationality? race? ethnicity?

[Derek]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it is merely the stupidity and misunderstanding of 19th century Brits. </div></div>


For a tiny little island like that to control so much of the world in the 19th century, I wouldn't include 'stupidity' and 'misunderstanding' in the description of those bastards.

More likely 'clever' and 'shrewd'.

[kia027]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For what it's worth, this man, Armand, looked &quot;white&quot; rather than Asian or Asian-mixed.
I look much more Asian than Armand... he noted this, in fact, marveling how &quot;real-Caucasian&quot; I look. I am often mistaken for either Amer-Asian or Native American mix. I have that extra epicanthal eye fold that Asians have, but there is no Asian in my family tree (other than perhaps too far back to know about?).

I am purely of Russian stock, but who knows if my people came West (into Russia) from the East (Asia) further back in history than we know of? Several Native American tribes mistake me for one of themselves (notably the Cherokee and the Lakota), insistent that there must be some of their blood in me somewhere -- until I tell them that my people weren't here that long and I know <span style="font-style: italic">ALL</span> of the few short generations who were here. I'm only a second-generation American. My parents were born here, but my father's parents were born in Russia and my mother's grandparents were born in Russia. </div></div>

Russia is partly in the continent of Asian so not uncommon to see Russians who look Asian

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
just more global tricknology by the beast...</div></div>
You attribute what is the result of sheer stupidity to something far more sinister.
It's not malice, jah_yout; it is merely the stupidity and misunderstanding of 19th century Brits. </div></div>
it's possible it did not start out that way but it has certainly become very sinister </div></div>
I don't believe it started out sinister. I'll agree with you on this ^, jah_yout. It would be sinister to me <span style="font-style: italic">now</span> if I were black; I won't lie to you.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it is merely the stupidity and misunderstanding of 19th century Brits. </div></div>
For a tiny little island like that to control so much of the world in the 19th century, I wouldn't include 'stupidity' and 'misunderstanding' in the description of those bastards.

More likely 'clever' and 'shrewd'. </div></div>
No, I stand by what I said before, and again just now: I believe it was stupidity rather than intentional malice. Not that that means it's harmless now, as jah_yout rightly pointed out to me...

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For what it's worth, this man, Armand, looked &quot;white&quot; rather than Asian or Asian-mixed.
I look much more Asian than Armand... he noted this, in fact, marveling how &quot;real-Caucasian&quot; I look. I am often mistaken for either Amer-Asian or Native American mix. I have that extra epicanthal eye fold that Asians have, but there is no Asian in my family tree (other than perhaps too far back to know about?).

I am purely of Russian stock, but who knows if my people came West (into Russia) from the East (Asia) further back in history than we know of? Several Native American tribes mistake me for one of themselves (notably the Cherokee and the Lakota), insistent that there must be some of their blood in me somewhere -- until I tell them that my people weren't here that long and I know <span style="font-style: italic">ALL</span> of the few short generations who were here. I'm only a second-generation American. My parents were born here, but my father's parents were born in Russia and my mother's grandparents were born in Russia. </div></div>

Russia is partly in the continent of Asian so not uncommon to see Russians who look Asian </div></div>
But it <span style="font-style: italic">IS</span> uncommon for ethnic southern Russians in the Ukraine (my ancestors) to look Asian, however. None of my known ancestors looks Asian; only I have Asian-mixed appearance. I must be a throwback.

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
well i believe kim jong-il may have been russian-born...

but looking at him one would instantly call him &quot;asian&quot;...

nationality? race? ethnicity?</div></div>
Well, Kim Jong-iI was born in Siberia, but he was born of two Korean parents.

So he is clearly Asian by race and by ethnicity... and arguably by nationality if you consider his being born in SIberia making him an Aleut or Turkik (not Turkish - Turkik) national.


I, on the other hand, come from grandparents who were living in Kiev (in the city itself and in the countryside surrounding the city) but who were ethnic southern Russians. I haven't a drop of Ukrainian blood in me. Yet I have Asian-mix appearance...