This lady is such an embarrassment...

**makabush** · 05-02-2012, 11:30 AM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Couldn't be worse than Hugh Shearer. </div></div>

true...

wasn't this the guy that helped to ban walter rodney from jamaica?

if so he was a 3-ring circus clown </div></div>

Yes a im dat. He also banned all Black Power books, a measure that has held Jamaicans back in terms of racial consciousness for decades (see recent discussions about shade and class mentality). </div></div>

I see how people refuse to remember that Jamaica's economy was actually very good under Shearer. His decisions to ban certain things should be seen in the light of the revolutionary time period. He showed quite a bit of foresight, avoiding socialism as he probably understood it would lead Jamaica to cross path with America, something Manley didn't fully grasp.

**Wahalla** · 05-02-2012, 11:35 AM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KqrowBait</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In her response, she reminded me of one of those women who'd fan her dress tail as she cuss you to "clear off and don't mess'. </div></div>

i overstand the comments, but still the inherent sexism in us yaadies still alarms....

i wonder if we would refer to any of the male prime ministers in the (gender specific) ways we often style sista P </div></div>

Yes we did...we often took Sheare n Manley to task fi dem gyallis behaviour....wid
Shesrer it was because his RC wife wudden divorce him n wid Michael it was his using his penis like a water seeking weapon..Neva saw a pool he didn't want to tek a dip...wid Seaga it has always been his colour...yaad women been running tings fi too long fi it be sexism..we juss chat bout dem failings...full stop...

Btw Tropi prably a reffa to Shearer's inability to not say 'flim' n 'finaral'.... We use to cringe wen he did </div></div>

Shearer I never knew he was married... !!! He is reputed to have been Busta's pickni any way....

The interesting thing about Manley and shearer was the two had a weekly lunch before and after teh 72 election....It was stopped because of pressure from the comrades...

Shearer was a Trade Unionist, and negoiated aliot of good deals...He was a man of his word.. And he did start the tradition of special police squads.. His was thje Mobile Reserve.. I beleive that they were at one point the only police that went around armed regularly....

My problem with Portia is not the patwa, lord knows I spent a lifetime being told how bad mi chat!.. what it is, is she reminds me of that Eddie Murphy Character who ran for congress and won because he had the same name as the incumbent who died... Cliches after mix metaphors, combined with buzz words...Gods knows I get the impression if a journalist pressed her she would assualt them... I hope there is a inteligent person behind the cliches.. Who can manage the talents of others....

I cannot get that image of that little girl doing her tiolet in a gully... Every time I see or hear Portia....

i need to read a biography of Shearer...

**Wahalla** · 05-02-2012, 11:41 AM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Couldn't be worse than Hugh Shearer. </div></div>

true...

wasn't this the guy that helped to ban walter rodney from jamaica?

if so he was a 3-ring circus clown </div></div>

Yes a im dat. He also banned all Black Power books, a measure that has held Jamaicans back in terms of racial consciousness for decades (see recent discussions about shade and class mentality). </div></div>

I see how people refuse to remember that Jamaica's economy was actually very good under Shearer. His decisions to ban certain things should be seen in the light of the revolutionary time period. He showed quite a bit of foresight, avoiding socialism as he probably understood it would lead Jamaica to cross path with America, something Manley didn't fully grasp. </div></div>

Yep he I recall mentioned that there was a structural issue with weath distribution., the need for poverty aliviation and broadening of education...But he handed over an economy that was growing...

I also resented the fact that he banned books on the occult... including the Dennis Weathley classic "to the devil a daugther".. I beleive no book should ever be banned inclusing Mein Kampf, which was banned by Jamaica... (and Lady Chatterley lover was banned as well)

On that subject.. Edwin Allen is reputed to have wanted to ban Black Beauty.. But that might just be lie and story

**makabush** · 05-02-2012, 11:43 AM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Cliches after mix metaphors, combined with buzz words...Gods knows I get the impression if a journalist pressed her she would assualt them...
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Portia is the typical angry, country Jamaican Granny. That's why people call him Sista P....

**RichD** · 05-02-2012, 11:43 AM

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him did ban De Laurence too

**Tuff Gong** · 05-02-2012, 11:46 AM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My problem with Portia is not the patwa, lord knows I spent a lifetime being told how bad mi chat!. </div></div>

My sentiments too.
Comrade Portia Simpson-Miller is an epic failure as a MHR from South West St. Andrew, there is no two ways about that.
Many of her Constituents live in dire poverty, some still defecating in scandal bags in the midst of the most important Industrial area on the <span style="font-weight: bold">Rock</span>.

**Tropicana** · 05-02-2012, 11:50 AM

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How can banning Black Power books in a country where the majority of people are Black be perceived as a good thing? It was a disgrace.

I have no knowledge of how the economy was at that time so I must rely on you and others to enlighten me.

**Tuff Gong** · 05-02-2012, 11:52 AM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can banning Black Power books in a country where the majority of people are Black be perceived as a good thing? It was a disgrace.

I have no knowledge of how he economy was at that time so I must rely on you and others to enlighten me. </div></div>
What are/were the Titles of the Book Mr. Shearer banned?

**makabush** · 05-02-2012, 11:55 AM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can banning Black Power books in a country where the majority of people are Black be perceived as a good thing? It was a disgrace.

I have no knowledge of how he economy was at that time so I must rely on you and others to enlighten me. </div></div>

You are Prime Minister and you see uprisings happening in USA and other countries. I think you would be a bit unnerved. Not to mention Black Nationalism was often tied to socialism...

**Tuff Gong** · 05-02-2012, 11:58 AM

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<span style="font-size: 14pt">Comrade Portia's enduring legacy:</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">No human dignity in the squalor of the St Andrew badlands</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">by Karyl Walker Observer staff reporter
Sunday, August 22, 2004</span>

In the slum community of Majesty Gardens, also known as "Back To" in the South St Andrew badlands, a six-year-old girl relieves herself from the edge of a gully which runs near to her home.

There is no outward show of embarrassment, as the photographer aims his camera. Not even when the adults pass by. She merely looks away, but continues the natural act.
In the gully beneath her are disgusting piles of human waste, pools of stagnant water filled with mosquito larvae and every imaginable piece of garbage.

"Back To" is one of several impoverished communities which fall within the boundaries of the South St Andrew police division, and officers who patrol the streets and lanes of the area say squalid conditions like these invariably rob human beings of their dignity. They believe that such conditions must be hastily improved if the crime rate is to fall.
"The deplorable social conditions of the people in these areas need to be improved or the situation will not get better," Detective Inspector Lennox Harper of the Hunts Bay police tells the Sunday Observer.
There is a haunting sadness in the eyes of this hardened policeman. He is tough but he has a heart.

"We who go to these communities daily know that most of them are unemployed and if they have nothing to do, then they will turn to crime," Harper says.
He and his colleague crime-fighters have had the dubious distinction of working in the police division that has seen the most blood and wanton killings this year. More than 160 persons have been murdered in the division.

Police say they have recovered 58 guns and a number of rounds of assorted ammunition over the same period in the division. But that is just scraping the surface.
There are six police stations in the division: Hunts Bay, which is the divisional headquarters; and the Seaview Gardens, Duhaney Park, Newport West, Olympic Gardens and Ferry police stations. The division contains some of the toughest inner-city communities in Kingston and life is cheap on its mean streets.

Some of these communities are Seaview Gardens, Tavares Gardens or "Payne Land", Tower Hill, Olympic Gardens, Waterhouse, "Mongoose Town", McDonald Lane, Myrie Avenue, McCoy Lane, Majesty Gardens or "Back To", "Gully Bank", "Little Cuba", Waltham Lands, Whitfield Town, St Joseph's Road, Seivwright Gardens, Drewsland, Union Gardens, Two Miles, Maverley, Chisolm Avenue, Duhaney Park and Ferry Lane.
These densely populated communities are home to thousands of the nation's poorest. Joblessness, lack of basic sanitary facilities like running water, are a fact of life for most residents, many of whom are eking out a hard living on a minimum wage, if they work at all.

In an area known as "Gully Bank" in Waterhouse, hundreds of residents live in crude shanties on the banks of the Sandy Gully. They have plenty of one thing: children.
Across the gully is the squatter settlement of "Little Cuba", a tight network of shacks located on a spit of land behind the Jamaica Public Service Electronic Communications property at Washington Boulevard.

"Little Cuba" is bordered by the main course of the Sandy Gully and a large tributary which runs underneath the Washington Boulevard. In times of heavy rain, the people who have made the place home are marooned. There is no other way out but through the gully. It is a reality the people there have come to live with.
"We nuh have nowhere else to live so now we just say when rain fall we just have fi batten down," one man explains, flashing a toothless grin.

The combined stench of human excrement, garbage and stagnant water frightfully offends the nostrils. Children, some as young as two years old, frolic on the gully's edge, oblivious, it seems, to the squalor and degradation and hopelessness. All the children had multiple sores on their bodies, caused by mosquito bites, according to the residents of Gully Bank.
"Dem bite up de pickney dem and afterwards nuff a dem have sore pan dem skin," one man offers.

In the lower section of St Joseph's Road, some persons were taking nude baths at a standpipe in full view of the public when the Sunday Observer visited the area. Women, teenage girls and small children were among them. That was the only pipe in the area.
Myrie Avenue is a small lane which runs off Spanish Town Road. Ramshackle board houses in sprawling tenements dot the landscape. There are no toilets and many residents dispose of their waste in overflowing pits in the area.
At a yard at 12 Myrie Avenue, Icilda Henry, an elderly woman whose emaciated 82 year-old body was clad in old rags, lies helplessly on the floor of a one-room board dwelling. The residents say she has no relatives and they give her what care they can.
"Ahh, mi son," was all she could say to this reporter.

Young children played barefooted in the street in the bright early afternoon sun and a group of young men sat on a corner smoking marijuana and drinking beer.
"We nuh have nutten better to do than bun weed pan the corner because we nuh have nuh work and it look like de system don't remember we," one of the teenagers remarks.
A planned Jamaica Social Investment Fund (JSIF) project for the area can't come too soon.
JSIF announced it will funnel some $39.7 million into a sanitation upgrading project in Whitfield Town. The project is funded by an allocation under the European Union's Poverty Reduction Programme.
More than 1,500 residents of the inner-city community will benefit from the installation of over 100 domestic sanitation units consisting of flush toilets and showers.
JSIF said it will also install an external water supply and sewage system, as well as rehabilitate 70 existing sanitation units.

A prefabrication plant has been set up and will manufacture material used in the construction of the units and maintain the system when the work is completed.
The plant is run by members of the community and the project is being undertaken in association with the Whitfield Town Community Development Committee. The project is forecast to be completed by the end of 2004.

According to Gangolf Schmidt of JSIF, the residents of the area will be given training courses in the proper care of the units. "We are going to start a training programme on hygiene and maintenance of the facilities," Schmidt says.
The toilets will be installed at a rate of one per yard. In densely populated areas like St Joseph's Road, where the first set of units are being installed, a 'yard' can be home to at least 100 persons.

"We glad for the new toilet and shower but more help still wanted 'cause so much people can't use one toilet," said one man in the St Joseph's Road area. But it's a start, he concedes.

**Tropicana** · 05-02-2012, 12:09 PM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can banning Black Power books in a country where the majority of people are Black be perceived as a good thing? It was a disgrace.

I have no knowledge of how he economy was at that time so I must rely on you and others to enlighten me. </div></div>

You are Prime Minister and you see uprisings happening in USA and other countries. I think you would be a bit unnerved. Not to mention Black Nationalism was often tied to socialism... </div></div>

I think you drank the Kool-Aid Black Nationalism is not a bad thing and not linked to socialism. What gave you that idea?

**Tuff Gong** · 05-02-2012, 12:17 PM

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Does anyone know what books <span style="font-weight: bold">Mr. Shearer</span> banned?
Was it <span style="font-weight: bold">Baa-Baa Black Sheep</span> or is this just another unsubstantiated rumour?

**evanovitch** · 05-02-2012, 12:20 PM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can banning Black Power books in a country where the majority of people are Black be perceived as a good thing? It was a disgrace.

I have no knowledge of how the economy was at that time so I must rely on you and others to enlighten me. </div></div>

how can u ban black people in a country weh di majority of people r black...NOW DAT was a disgrace....

not excusing Shearer but i find tings like Locs being an act of sedition more heinous dan books on ideology being banned...cause di ban neva really do nutten..di books came in....Ja politician just went wid di big stick policy of rabid anti communism...an it was NOT a carte blanche ban on black power books...it was specifically books dealing wid socialism....and Groundings wid my Bredrins was more of a pamphlet...

now mek mi ask u dis...HAVE U TAKEN THE TIME TO READ IT. AND THE OTHER FAMOUS BANNED BOOK OF THE TIME BY NYERE...now i would love to know dat..how irate were u or how interested have u been to read those two ...both were the books of the time...

**RichD** · 05-02-2012, 12:21 PM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what books <span style="font-weight: bold">Mr. Shearer</span> banned?
Was it <span style="font-weight: bold">Baa-Baa Black Sheep</span> or is this just another unsubstantiated rumour? </div></div>

i found this in the gleaner:

It was illegal to bring into Jamaica The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Black Power (co-authored by Stokeley Carmichael and Charles Hamilton), all of the writings of Elijah Muhammed, the Black Panther Party newspaper

**Tuff Gong** · 05-02-2012, 12:27 PM

Re: This lady is such an embarrassment...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what books <span style="font-weight: bold">Mr. Shearer</span> banned?
Was it <span style="font-weight: bold">Baa-Baa Black Sheep</span> or is this just another unsubstantiated rumour? </div></div>

i found this in the gleaner:

It was illegal to bring into Jamaica The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Black Power (co-authored by Stokeley Carmichael and Charles Hamilton), all of the writings of Elijah Muhammed, the Black Panther Party newspaper </div></div>

Thanks!
Many here mekking a bag a nize bout Mr. Shearer Banning books ,,,,,,,,,Seems to I most Jamaican Prime Minister would have banned these too.

The place where Mr. Rodney and his followers held their reasonings became one of the most violent communities in Jamaica. Like-minded folks killing themselves to this day.
How is that for influence?

<span style="font-weight: bold">BTW</span> I was about 8 years old, but I marched in the wider UWI Rodney Protest.
How many of Mr. Rodney's defender(s) here would have been willing to take to streets at 8 years old and get teargassed like we did?

This lady is such an embarrassment...

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