As there is so much to say about Hugh Shearer..

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If u di note dat a Hart was thrown out of PNP for being the C word yet an still n still di Hart name appears in the supposed 21families much bandid about by Joshua wagon sits...if dat kine a dbl chat don't sum up yaad in many a way , I dont know wat will... I have said before dat people killing dem selves over politics wile the stirrers of dem ire meeting afterwud wid all n sundry so drink mimosa n watch dem run rung like mad ants </div></div>

and Eli Matalon was the mininster of industry in the 72 goverment...
and the manley goverment nationalised Jamentel owned by the Matalons..
He died like the Minister of Justice of the smae govermetn in Miami!

The 21 families is a urban myth.... There are rich people in Jamaica..

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yawn...one begs the question y him neva do di said ting in Guyana....afta all is not like tings dere was any betta...stawt a u own yaad before u go abraad</div></div>

you are something else...you could ask the same thing about marcus garvey...why did he not do in jamaica what he did in america?
because a prophet is rarely appreciated by his owm...in fact you could ask the same thing of jesus christ...yawn- why him neva do that fi the jews;
your statemt is disingenuous

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and frankly Tropi, after reading allll ur posts over the years u wudden did chat to Walter Rodney given his propensity to 'reason wid him Bredrins, the Rastas...dis was 70s Jamaica wen people were even more classist dan dem r today....at least dose bak in the 70s who claimed classism had been living it fi a while...dem neva fly off di island enmasse yet...unlike dose who moved into dem homes n jobs an are noveau classists.... </div></div>

your line of reaoning is quite interesting...weird tho

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: makabush</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">He demanded “a complete break with the capitalist system,” and rejected the official Jamaican creed “out of many, one people.” Jamaicans, the report quotes Rodney as saying, are “predominantly black and not a multiracial community. Therefore they should be governed only by black people.” These aims, he is supposed to have concluded, “could be achieved only by revolution, adding that no revolution has ever taken place without a violent struggle.”(5)</span>


Suddenly I feel no pity for him.

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i could swear you are rick santorium in disguise

[St_Bess]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If u di note dat a Hart was thrown out of PNP for being the C word yet an still n still di Hart name appears in the supposed 21families much bandid about by Joshua wagon sits...if dat kine a dbl chat don't sum up yaad in many a way , I dont know wat will... I have said before dat people killing dem selves over politics wile the stirrers of dem ire meeting afterwud wid all n sundry so drink mimosa n watch dem run rung like mad ants </div></div>

and Eli Matalon was the mininster of industry in the 72 goverment...
and the manley goverment nationalised Jamentel owned by the Matalons..
He died like the Minister of Justice of the smae govermetn in Miami!

The 21 families is a urban myth.... There are rich people in Jamaica.. </div></div>

So Evan a noticed you remember the news report very well about Mr. Shearer and how he was nearly undone by someone well before &quot;John Wayne Bobbit&quot; was. You must have been a wee child at that time. As to the Harts - only those with hearts will remember the &quot;C&quot; incident.
Wallie:
Are you referring to JAMINTEL formerly Cable and Wireless was owned by the Matalons? If that what you mean that I beg to differ. Cable and Wireless was a British owned company and then it was naturalized by the JA government and called Jamintel. The office moved from East Parade to North Street.

[Wahalla]

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I seem to recall that the matalons had a share in it... There was a question in the house as to the nationalisation and Matlons on both sides of the deal....it was thirty plus years ago so age has faded my memory....

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jamaicans, the report quotes Rodney as saying, are “predominantly black and not a multiracial community. Therefore they should be governed only by black people.”</div></div>


And what's wrong with that?
Isn't that the norm in most countries? </div></div>

yes but it could not be allowed in the caribbean or afrika...

it would get in the way of being a playground for euros &amp; euro-americans and a nice supply-ground for resources...
as long as you can keep the blacks mentally enslaved your job will be that much easier...
some choose to ignore the history of power on earth but it can't be denied...

the fact that walter rodney was kicked out of jamaica shows who the jamaican leadership were really beholden to-- corporate interests of the world powers;
they knew what would happen if they stepped out of line-- see how america still trying to strangle cuba for being the caribbean nation with enough bawlz to resist the slavery

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How Europe Underdeveloped Africa</div></div>


should be required reading in every school attended by majority so-called blacks...

rodney a world-respected scholar

[St_Bess]

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Yes, it was over 30 odd years ago, I used to work there in the old days. I know after it became JAMINTEL it was merged with Jamaica Telephone Company maybe in the 80's or 90's. There were some more changes after that but I don't know the details.

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Wahalla]
Are you referring to JAMINTEL formerly Cable and Wireless was owned by the Matalons? If that what you mean that I beg to differ. Cable and Wireless was a British owned company and then it was naturalized by the JA government and called Jamintel. The office moved from East Parade to North Street. </div></div>

JAMINTEL(long distance) . and Telephone Company of Jamaica ( domestic service) were government owned thorugh TOJ (Telecommunications of Jamaica ) . C&amp; W was not in the picture until much later when the Gov decided to privatize

[St_Bess]

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No - Cable &amp; Wireless was located at East Parade and they built new offices and relocated to North Street. After that the government naturalized it. I remembered the technicians used to go to telecommunication school in Portcuno (sp), Cornwall-UK but after a while they built a training facility in Barbados and the technicians were sent there instead of Cornwall.

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: St_Bess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No - Cable &amp; Wireless was located at East Parade and they built new offices and relocated to North Street. After that the government naturalized it. I remembered the technicians used to go to telecommunication school in Portcuno (sp), Cornwall-UK but after a while they built a training facility in Barbados and the technicians were sent there instead of Cornwall. </div></div>

which gov nationalized it? Manley? or before?

[St_Bess]

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I believe it was Michael Manley. I will speak to my girlfriend who was the 2nd woman technician to be hired there she migrated to the US in the early 80's and still works as a technician with Verizon. She was assigned to the C&amp;W in Portmore (you can still see the C&amp;W tower when you are in Portmore or Cumberland). There was another section in Yallahs, St. Thomas called Earth Station and a Club house on Molynes Road near to Sunrise Crescent (the club house is still active). I remembered going to C&amp;W in East Parade to make over seas call to my father in Cheshire, England. You would pay first and asked for a station to station or person to person call. The clerk would place the overseas call and the phone would ring in one of the booths and you would go into the both and accept your call.

[RichD]

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I found some history.

Jamaica Telephone Company Limited was incorporated in 1892 to
acquire the undertaking of West Indies Telegraph and Telephone
Company. Telephone service in some of the main rural townships
was operated by private industry under licenses until 1939.
Between 1939 and 1945 the Government operated such services. In
1945 JTC was controlled by Telephone and General Trust Limited of
London, England, which acquired the All Island telephone system
from the Government. In May 1967, Continental Holding Company
Limited, a Canadian corporation, acquired 50.216 percent of the
issued ordinary shares of JTC from Telephone and General Trust,
thereby ending the latter's association with JTC. In 1973 JTC
made a public issue of 16,000,000 ordinary shares which was
underwritten by Continental Telephone Corporation. By virtue of
that issue Continental increased its holding to 68 percent.
Subsequently JTC reached agreement with the Government for 10
percent of the company's issued ordinary share capital. In
September 1975 Continental sold to the Government its 68 percent
interest in JTC, thereby bringing the Government's interest to 78
percent. The Government then made an offer to the shareholders
of the remaining 22 percent of the ordinary shares of JTC and by
so doing further increased its holdings to 90.25 percent.

[RichD]

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and the History of JAMINTEL:

Since 1938 external telecommunications for Jamaica were
solely provided by Cable and Wireless (W.I.) Limited which
operated under a government license. The demand for external
communications began to expand rapidly in the early 1960s and
large investments were required to provide additional facilities.
Cable and Wireless applied for a long-term extension of their
license. The license was granted, with one of its provisions being the Government of Jamaica's right to terminate it and
purchase the company's assets in Jamaica. 9 5
The Government of Jamaica chose not to purchase the assets
of Cable and Wireless; rather, it engaged in discussions with
representatives of Cable and Wireless in 1969 to enter into
partnership arrangements for the ownership and operation of the
international communication services of Jamaica. Agreement to
this effect was signed on 6 November 1970. It provided for the
formation of a limited liability company, Jamaica International
Telecommunications Limited, in January 1971 with a share capital
of J$15 million. The Government held 51 percent and Cable and
Wireless 49 percent of the issued share capital.96 In 1988,
when the agreement expired, the Government of Jamaica had the
option of increasing its share to 7 5 percent and on expiration of
the agreement to purchase the entire holdings.97 As the
Government was actively engaged in a policy of privatization, it
chose not to increase its share or purchase the holdings of JAMINTEL

[makabush]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold"> Not one of the 21 families dominating the economy was of African descent</span>

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Like super DUH. We were coming from slavery. DUH DUH DUH. who did you expect Nanny of the Maroons? *said with valley girl accent*

Some of these families pre-date slavery on Jamaica and have been here since the Spanish. They have had 400+ years to work to where they got.

And I agree, Walter Rodney was dangerous to Jamaica. You do not understand that Jamaica is a multi-cultural society. It was one of the most divided societies in the world at one point. Fighting against an idea that has the power to unite &quot;out of one many people&quot; and espousing one that promotes the underprivileged at the expense of the currently privileged is asking for a Caribbean Rwanda. Jamaica would have been a gigantic tinder-box of Bin Ladenic proportions.